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[clashfan]

This post voices my opinions closely. The story has been received terribly here on GAF (judging from the LO Japanese Thread).

I think you need to reread that thread because I see that most people like the story.

 

[zurra]

do you have a problem when an rpg pushes the genre.

Do you have a problem when they don't? I like the cliches and standard trappings of JRPGs. That's not to say a lot of the innovations aren't nice, but if a game gets knocked for being traditional there's a pretty good chance I'll enjoy it more than the reviewer did.

 

[Desi]

I think you need to reread that thread because I see that most people like the story.

It was the Shigematsu Dream of a Thousand years that gets the praise. The Story itself was said to be so-so.

 

[avatar299]

Do you have a problem when they don't? I like the cliches and standard trappings of JRPGs. That's not to say a lot of the innovations aren't nice, but if a game gets knocked for being traditional there's a pretty good chance I'll enjoy it more than the reviewer did.

Yes. I don't mind a game not being AAA every time at bat, but at least try to do something unique. This whole "Everyone loves tradition. Who cares about new ideas" shit that has been spreading since Blue dragon is frightening.

Ii played Suikoden 2 this week, and the battle system in that game looks more advanced than LO's.

I find the argument of the gameplay being "nothing new and more of the same" a bit off. If they were to apply the same standards to most sports and FPS games, their scores would be collectively lower than usual.

Different genres. Different standards. It's kinda hard to innovate a game of football in 9 months.

But most rpgs aren't made in 9 months.

We know, you've said it a couple times. You seem to selectively pick the few mediocre reviews out of the several good ones :lol And goodluck beating Lost Odyssey within a rental time frame.

I can see Lost Odyssey is going to have polarizing reviews like Blue Dragon.

Selectively pick? I've only seen one review. Is this the best one it's got?

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

It was the Shigematsu Dream of a Thousand years that gets the praise. The Story itself was said to be so-so.

Seemed to be a lot of people liked the characters and setting, but it never took itself serious enough to delve into the potential that was there.

 

[GreekWolf]

We know, you've said it a couple times. You seem to selectively pick the few mediocre reviews out of the several good ones :lol And goodluck beating Lost Odyssey within a rental time frame.

New to GAF? We always have a few trolls who emerge in "big game" threads and work overtime to kill the hype. They continually harp on the worst review they can find and tout it as the most accurate, while completely dismissing high scores as lulz moneyhats/fanboys.

Mass Effect had several. Ratchet & Clank was overrun by them. Eventually, you learn to pick out kooks like sakuragi and tjhooker and sacrifice them to the gods of ignore.

However, Mass Effect is an "real" RPG in my opinion but one hard to compare with something like Lost Odyssey.

Yeah, I definitely understand that. WRPGs and JRPGS are so radically different in almost every respect that it's nearly impossible to put them in the same genre.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Do you have a problem when they don't? I like the cliches and standard trappings of JRPGs. That's not to say a lot of the innovations aren't nice, but if a game gets knocked for being traditional there's a pretty good chance I'll enjoy it more than the reviewer did.

I can understand that people like the traditional system...Personally I much prefer the genre move towards a strategic real time system...immersion is very important for me in rpgs, and I find turn based battle systems take away from the immersion. Ive been playing rpgs for a long time as well, but honestly, I always though many aspects of the gameplay could be improved/changed

 

[sakuragi]

Eventually, you learn to pick out kooks like sakuragi and tjhooker and sacrifice them to the gods of ignore.

Um, when did I ever troll a game?

Spoiler

except Chrono trigger

 

[ZealousD]

Hmm... Dragon Quests series, Breath of Fire series, FF series, Lufias, Golden Suns, Grandia series, Baten Kaitos series, Paper Mario series and probably some more I don't remember right now.

NONE of them ripped-off from FF as much as I have seen on this video, none of them.

Yeah! How dare they!

Hey, you know what else is a huge fucking ripoff? Rock Band! They totally ripped off Guitar Hero!

Love some of the comments.

:lol

I like being a higher level GT user. Giving those stupid trolls a -11 thumb rating is sooo satisfying.

 

[thecheese]

The reviews for this game are incredibly mixed. I'm not sure whether to rent it or not.

 

[gimz]

omg i love the art, its like reading the samurai comic (by the same character designer) in motion

 

[avatar299]

The reviews for this game are incredibly mixed. I'm not sure whether to rent it or not.

When in doubt, rent.

New to GAF? We always have a few trolls who emerge in "big game" threads and work overtime to kill the hype. They continually harp on the worst review they can find and tout it as the most accurate, while completely dismissing high scores as lulz moneyhats/fanboys.

Mass Effect had several. Ratchet & Clank was overrun by them. Eventually, you learn to pick out kooks like sakuragi and tjhooker and sacrifice them to the gods of ignore.

:lol I didn't know there was a LO defense force. No one is insulting the game, calm down.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

This post voices my opinions closely. The story has been received terribly here on GAF (judging from the LO Japanese Thread) and as if by some divine force, Gametrailer's pierces the congested nose of Lost Odyssey's negative state with Flonase, denouncing the title's story as the JRPG-story-to-beat.

I'm sorry I haven't been seeing that and I myself have a very positive opinion of the game's story.

Oh well who cares I suppose.

Also for the all the ffxii praise I'm not seeing it. I thought the battle system was not only boring, but very badly balanced. I wont get started on the story.

 

[cicerone]

Yeah! How dare they!

Hey, you know what else is a huge fucking ripoff? Rock Band! They totally ripped off Guitar Hero!



I like being a higher level GT user. Giving those stupid trolls a -11 thumb rating is sooo satisfying.

Poor Konami, your GuitarFreaks is completely forgotten.

 

[nelsonroyale]

I'm sorry I haven't been seeing that and I myself have a very positive opinion of the game's story.

Oh well who cares I suppose.

Also for the all the ffxii praise I'm not seeing it. I thought the battle system was not only boring, but very badly balanced. I wont get started on the story.

lets not bring ffxii into the discussion...others feel diametrically opposite to yourself, but this thread will turn into fire

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

lets not bring ffxii into the discussion...others feel diametrically opposite to yourself, but this thread will turn into fire

I'm just pointing it out since people always feel the need to bring up the disgrace in the series that is ff12 in every single thread relating to Lost Odyssey even when everyone already knows the type of game Lost Odyssey is.

Nobody needs to continue hearing people praise Final Fantasy 12 as if it was the second coming of jrpgs or if it is somehow better than Final Fantasy games of the past or an example of what all jrpgs should strive to be.

I only mention ff12 because people always bring it up as a means to poke fun at how "archaic" or "behind the times" this or that jrpg is. Well people often times fail to realize that new doesn't always mean better and nowhere is that more evident than in the mess that was Final Fantasy XII

 

[Livin_Lovin]

I'm just pointing it out since people always feel the need to bring up the disgrace in the series that is ff12 in every single thread relating to Lost Odyssey even when everyone already knows the type of game Lost Odyssey is.

Nobody needs to continue hearing people praise Final Fantasy 12 as if it was the second coming of jrpgs or if it is somehow better than Final Fantasy games of the past or an example of what all jrpgs should strive to be.

I only mention ff12 because people always bring it up as a means to poke fun at how "archaic" or "behind the times" this or that jrpg is. Well people often times fail to realize that new doesn't always mean better and nowhere is that more evident than in the mess that was Final Fantasy XII

This post. There are just so many things wrong with it...

Anyway, these Lost Odyssey reviews make it sound like a rent. Although, reports of awful loading times are starting to sway me away.

 

[Master]

That was a fantastic video review. Well paced, answered all my questions, showed a good amount of the game. It is hard to believe people are complaining about the score in a review that does such a good job detailing why the game is great...

 

[Darkman M]

This post. There are just so many things wrong with it...

Anyway, these Lost Odyssey reviews make it sound like a rent. Although, reports of awful loading times are starting to sway me away.

8.8 gametrailers
8.2 ign

Sounds like buy reviews to me not to mention your getting 50+ hours...... i was sold on the game before any reviews though.

 

[yukoner]

This post voices my opinions closely. The story has been received terribly here on GAF (judging from the LO Japanese Thread) and as if by some divine force, Gametrailer's pierces the congested nose of Lost Odyssey's negative state with Flonase, denouncing the title's story as the JRPG-story-to-beat.

I thought both Duckroll and Bebpo gave it a B+ in story??

 

[YYZ]

The only really bad thing I've heard about this game is the loading times which is actually a huge issue. Otherwise I kinda want to play this game. Published by MGS so PC-bound?

Also Gamespy gave it a 5/10 :lol

C'mon really? From that video review alone I can see it is better than 5/10, wtf.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

This post. There are just so many things wrong with it...

Anyway, these Lost Odyssey reviews make it sound like a rent. Although, reports of awful loading times are starting to sway me away.

You mean so many things right about it. I know the words "Final Fantasy" instantly earns a game a free pass to a lot of people, but I'm not one of them.

There are many things wrong with FF12, but people choose to ignore it because of the name. It doesn't matter how good or bad FF13 ends up being because reviewers will call it the single greatest thing ever no matter what.

I'm not saying FF13 wont be an amazing game because I'm looking forward to the game just as much if not more than almost anybody here, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Final Fantasy 12 was anywhere near as good as I hoped it would be and I know very well that if FFXIII doesn't end up quite as good as it's expected to be very few people will admit that due to 2 words "Final" and "Fantasy".

 

[lastendconductor]

Poor Konami, your GuitarFreaks is completely forgotten.

I don't want to be a freak, I want to be a hero!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The only really bad thing I've heard about this game is the loading times which is actually a huge issue. Otherwise I kinda want to play this game. Published by MGS so PC-bound?

Also Gamespy gave it a 5/10 :lol

C'mon really? From that video review alone I can see it is better than 5/10, wtf.

To be fair, it was 2.5 / 5.0

5 / 10, or 50 / 100 both look a lot worse than 2.5 / 5.0

Most places who rate things on a scale out of 5 actually consider 2.5 and 3.0 products to be fairly good.

 

[Slavik81]

Technically, 5/10 would be average, 6/10 would be above average and anything above would be between "good" and "excellent."

As a note, the "average" game could very well be "good". They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[Green Shinobi]

GameTrailers also gave Assasin's Creed a 9.1.

I don't know, the contradictions present in the reviews for this title really make me uneasy about picking it up. I lost faith in MistWalker after Blue Dragon, but was still holding on to a bit of hope that they'd get it right with LO.

But outside of one review, all of the comments regarding the story and score (the most important aspects for my personal enjoyment of an RPG) have so far been overwhelmingly negative.

There is no way in hell that you have an Xbox 360.

 

[Durante]

Well, I just started playing the game a little while ago. I enjoyed myself in fact, really liked the dream segments. Played for some 4 hours. Why am I not still playing you ask? Well, it's a fun little story: MY 5 WEEK OLD FALCON 360 JUST CRASHED WHILE I WAS PLAYING. MS WTF IS THIS SHIT?

 

[dark10x]

Well, I just started playing the game a little while ago. I enjoyed myself in fact, really liked the dream segments. Played for some 4 hours. Why am I not still playing you ask? Well, it's a fun little story: MY 5 WEEK OLD FALCON 360 JUST CRASHED WHILE I WAS PLAYING. MS WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Is the system dead or did the game just freeze? If the game simply crashed, it's nothing to worry about and likely caused by the software.

 

[lastendconductor]

To be fair, it was 2.5 / 5.0

5 / 10, or 50 / 100 both look a lot worse than 2.5 / 5.0

Most places who rate things on a scale out of 5 actually consider 2.5 and 3.0 products to be fairly good.

Yeah it's basically the same score
2.5 = 50% on a 1-5 scale
8.5 = 50% on a 6-10 scale

 

[Durante]

Is the system dead or did the game just freeze? If the game simply crashed, it's nothing to worry about and likely caused by the software.

No the system isn't dead, it just crashed. But still, I lost around 35 minutes or so. I can't remember any JRPG ever crashing on me, and I played quite a few in my time. Shit sucks.


But at least it gives me a forced break to write a few impressions:
The graphics are both better and worse than I expected: the terrain and backgrounds as well as the monsters are better, but the character expressions and animations and some, but not all of the models are rather bland. Also, the framedrops in many of the cutscenes are a bit disturbing. And japanese devs still can't completely get over their love for texture aliasing/flimmering.
The difficulty level isn't as low as many recent JRPGs, the first real boss even had me using an item. The skill system seems neat so far, battle system is classical.

Two small things I really like a lot beyond the dream sequences:
1) the semi-movable camera (with analog zoom <3)
2) that all maps are littered with semi-hidden items -- I'm one of the "must press x at every square cm of the map" types and this makes it very rewarding

The non-main characters I encountered so far do seem extremely flat and generic though, but that is rather normal in JRPGs.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Gamespy didn't like the game so what?

No country for old men doesn't have 100% on rottentomatoes and it's still a masterpiece worthy of a 100% score.

Learn to accept that people have different opinions, don't fear that by doing that you are accepting that those reviews become important to you.

 

[Relix]

So, this or DMC4? I still need Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. But this month its either DMC4 or LO. Then in March, obviously Brawl and maybe DMC or Mass Effect.

So, help... DMC4 or LO?

 

[Belgorim]

So, this or DMC4? I still need Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. But this month its either DMC4 or LO. Then in March, obviously Brawl and maybe DMC or Mass Effect.

So, help... DMC4 or LO?

Easy, put the action-game in between the RPGs.

 

[Durante]

So, help... DMC4 or LO?

Help how? It's like asking us whether you prefer apples or roastbeef.

 

[MCD]

btw Durante, your 360 is fine, i recall some members here experienced weird bugs and crashing.

 

[Relix]

Help how? It's like asking us whether you prefer apples or roastbeef.

I want an awesome action game... but also an RPG. Belgorim's suggestion sounds logic though, might go with it.

 

[Durante]

btw Durante, your 360 is fine, i recall some members here experienced weird bugs and crashing.

My hardware being fine is nice and all, but a console JRPG simply crashing is quite a new experience for me so excuse my outburst. I'm back to playing now.

 

[B-Ri]

I'm just pointing it out since people always feel the need to bring up the disgrace in the series that is ff12 in every single thread relating to Lost Odyssey even when everyone already knows the type of game Lost Odyssey is.

Nobody needs to continue hearing people praise Final Fantasy 12 as if it was the second coming of jrpgs or if it is somehow better than Final Fantasy games of the past or an example of what all jrpgs should strive to be.

I only mention ff12 because people always bring it up as a means to poke fun at how "archaic" or "behind the times" this or that jrpg is. Well people often times fail to realize that new doesn't always mean better and nowhere is that more evident than in the mess that was Final Fantasy XII

blasphemer. XII was marvelous.

 

[FFChris]

My hardware being fine is nice and all, but a console JRPG simply crashing is quite a new experience for me so excuse my outburst. I'm back to playing now.

I'd say it's more a 360 problem than a problem with the game, but you never know.

Aside from a few framerate hiccups I haven't had any problems.

 

[ssoass]

You mean so many things right about it. I know the words "Final Fantasy" instantly earns a game a free pass to a lot of people, but I'm not one of them.

There are many things wrong with FF12, but people choose to ignore it because of the name. It doesn't matter how good or bad FF13 ends up being because reviewers will call it the single greatest thing ever no matter what.

I'm not saying FF13 wont be an amazing game because I'm looking forward to the game just as much if not more than almost anybody here, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Final Fantasy 12 was anywhere near as good as I hoped it would be and I know very well that if FFXIII doesn't end up quite as good as it's expected to be very few people will admit that due to 2 words "Final" and "Fantasy".

FFXII rocks your balls and it has absolutely nothing to do with the name.
And for your information, FFXII was brought into this topic by the TS Prince8 in post #41.

 

[Bildi]

I'm not a big fan of modern day FF but I quite like the look of LO. Is anybody a bit tired of FF but really like LO?

The constant FF comparisons concern me a little but I much prefer the design of the characters in LO which is one of my biggest hurdles to enjoying FF.

 

[Livin_Lovin]

You mean so many things right about it. I know the words "Final Fantasy" instantly earns a game a free pass to a lot of people, but I'm not one of them.

There are many things wrong with FF12, but people choose to ignore it because of the name. It doesn't matter how good or bad FF13 ends up being because reviewers will call it the single greatest thing ever no matter what.

I'm not saying FF13 wont be an amazing game because I'm looking forward to the game just as much if not more than almost anybody here, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Final Fantasy 12 was anywhere near as good as I hoped it would be and I know very well that if FFXIII doesn't end up quite as good as it's expected to be very few people will admit that due to 2 words "Final" and "Fantasy".

I hate this excuse. Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy VIII get chastised to no end despite them being part of the Final Fantasy franchise.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

It was the Shigematsu Dream of a Thousand years that gets the praise. The Story itself was said to be so-so.

so-so != terrible. So-so could mean good, decent, or bad, anything, depends on the person who plays and the expectation you have.

 

[KLoNe]

More DVD's should = Higher Score.

 

[nitewulf]

what was so innovative abt the ff12 battle system? its still time lagged w/ pre-set animation in between. its fast, but ff10 battle system was even faster. i miss the ff10 system personally.

grandia 2 still has the best, and most fun, battle system i have experienced in a jrpg.

 

[L0st Id3ntity]

FF12 Battle system in new to the series itself only, we've been there with games like KOTOR before.

 

[Capoeira]

I'm not a big fan of modern day FF but I quite like the look of LO. Is anybody a bit tired of FF but really like LO?

I've never really enjoyed a FF game (I've played VII, VIII and X, didn't bother with XII) but I'm loving Lost Odyssey.

I haven't played a JRPG in years and Lost Odyssey couldn't have been a better return to the genre. So far, there isn't a single thing I don't like about it. The story rocks, your party members are actually likeable, voice work is strong for the most part, the graphics are stunning at times, the art design is very appealing, the soundtrack is superb, the combat is actually enjoyable and the random encounters aren't nearly as annoying as I thought they'd be. That and the 1000 Years of Dreams segments are truly engaging. They're almost worth the price of admission alone.

 

[Realyn]

I really would like to know, how many here really played it?(I am direct after the furrea, so like 8 hours in)

Seriously, the furreal scene/the thing before that was so emotional. How can´t you love that?

In my opinion the story is

a)funny - Jansen , n/c , you just have to love him

b)touching, Kaim at the begining and later, how he developes

c)you want to play on. yout want to know more, like "ahh ok, just this one damn little cutscene"


If somebody says:Go to Hell, i dont care about emotional scenes: Go and Play GoW

Edit:Is it just me, or is the worldmap music like .... http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISSAZrUU9aU(1 of best ps1 games ever!)

 

[shpankey]

that's a great score. i'm pretty excited about the game after reading the review too

 

[colinp]

Gamespy didn't like the game so what?

No country for old men doesn't have 100% on rottentomatoes and it's still a masterpiece worthy of a 100% score.

Learn to accept that people have different opinions, don't fear that by doing that you are accepting that those reviews become important to you.

Who do you think you are talking so much sense on GAF??

It's a futile fight, but seriously I appreciate all of your posts. You seem like a gentleman and a scholar

GT LO review -> pre-order +1