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Gaming Claims That Are Hilarious in Retrospect
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OldJadedGamer
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Who could forget this gem of a photo?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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This thread is awesome! Keep em coming :lol :lol
TheRagnCajun
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I think Ken Kuturagi provides all the ammo this thread needs. 4D, 300fps etc. etc.
I think it was Peter Moore that made a comment about the Playstation 3 design when it was first revealed. He said something along the lines of: I'm a bit skeptical, it does not have enough vents. And we all gave him shit for it, but then pictures of the final revision turned up and the thing was covered in vents.
PhoenixDark
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Nearly every PS3 related claim from Sony and GAF
Wii is a disaster in the making
The DS is going to get crushed by the PSP
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Wii is a disaster in the making
The DS is going to get crushed by the PSP
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DangerStepp
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Those are fighting words 'round these parts.Reallink said:
You leave Dreamcast out of this thread.
TheSonicRetard
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Reallink said:
That was from an old issue of EGM that I have. I remember readingf that and thinking (because I didn't know how 3D modeling worked at the time), "Holy shit that'd be so time consuming for the modeler! That kind of game would take decades to complete!"
:lol
ChoklitReign
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Epic fail.OldJadedGamer said:Who could forget this gem of a photo?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Was it Moore who said "We under promised and over delivered." in regards to 360 backwards compatibility?Jeseus said:
CamHostage
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:lol I'm enjoying how this thread is supposed to be about videogame hyperbole and most of the posts are hearsay and fuzzy memories and misinterpreted comments and cutbacks=lies grudging. Good going, boys.
The games that were 1080p had a sticker. GT5, WarDevil did, a few others did, all running with 1080p demos. Games like Heavenly Sword did not. However, some TVs still had a separate label on them, the standard TV stick-em that listed the TV's capabilities, and on that was 1080p amongst other functions. There was confusion amongst some journos as to what was 1080p and what wasn't, but the kiosk assistants were usually clear on the info when asked and the games that were 1080p were so clear in their marking that I'm not sure how anybody could have mixed up the two - if a journalist were to have skipped the GT HD section at E3 2005 and got all of his 1080p info from the generic TV sticker, you probably should not be reading work from that journalist.
In their PS3 specs at E3 2005, PS3 listed 1080p; Sony's PR team later screwed up and said something to IGN about it being a game standard (not sure if anybody else reported that info, it wasn't part of the conference itself,) which was repealed/debunked later but not as part of the event coverage.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/614/614815p1.html
It's a codename. I don't remember Nintendo's DOLPHIN project jumping through hoops and splashing audiences (or battling any pinballs with the FLIPPER, for that matter.) I'll never really understand why fanboys cling to that as a lie, it's like pointing and laughing at a girl named Destiny.
Making any claim that brought up the hit Toy Story instantly painted a distinct picture, and so the comparison was thrown around. But there is quite a lot of confusion on this point. There wasn't a great frame of reference at the time about where this next step in 3D graphics would go -- developers had a clue of how much better things would be with breakthrough PC work and the onset of Dreamcast and there was a clear idea that the capacity of DVD and the rendering quality of DC and PS2 and later Xbox would allow for levels and characters boasting quality leaps orders of magnitude above what gamers were used to in even the top-shelf PS1 games. (Remember that PS2 was first unveiled in March of 1999, about five months after the release of Metal Gear Solid in America.) - technically, the results were not up to that standard; conceptually, the ability to have expressive videogame characters with lip-synched dialog rendered with eye-pleasing fidelity and inhabiting dynamic worlds of realistic proportions was exactly what these game designers were thinking in that Toy Story comparison. It didn't help that a lot of dots were connected in how PS2 was capable of some of the advanced modeling technology as utilized in Toy Story (which is true, but obviously not nearly at that performance level and of course not in realtime) and also in how George Lucas was remarking that the same basic computing power used to make Star Wars Episode I was now being released in a home game console (again true, probably... you also have more computing power in your cellphone than was used in the Apollo missions, good luck flying to the moon.)
Sony's specs were exaggerated and perhaps even hopped-up (an estimated 20 mil with effects, yet I'm pretty sure even top performers like Jak II came in under 20mil.) To be fair to Sony, though, the very show that they officially announced the specs and all the "Toy Story graphics" rumors started, Sony had screenshots and even video (not on its own site, but I'm sure GameSpot and IGN were there as well as other sites that are probably dead now) of realtime demos and working games, none of which were Toy Story quality but all of which were very much indicative of what we'd get out of that generation.
And since I've noticed I'm finding myself in SDF mode, I'll also be a little fair to Microsoft (who also bandied about the "Toy Story graphics") and remind us that although the Raven demo was initially done via a target render video, a realtime demo with an interactive camera was hosted two months later at E3. I'll also be a dick to Nintendo and say that Nintendo made a little bit of Toy Story comparisons with its Ultra 64 by bandying about that it had partnered with SGI, the company "behind" the technology of Jurassic Park and probably Toy Story... not that there was ever a claim of realtime performance at that level, but they did want to paint that picture (and there was a disturbing amount of SGI tech rendering mixed in with the Ultra 64 demo footage in those old videotapes they put in stores and at CES.
Nope. Target render. It was meant to artificially stun and hype up the system or the product, as all target renders are (whether they're made public or just made for publishers and venture caps,) but I don't believe Microsoft ever outwardly lied and said it was realtime. As mentioned, they showed off a realtime version six or eight weeks later. It was way off in quality (and framerate), but even so, it's not like they kept up the lie like some accuse them of doing.
Now, 4D is pretty hilarious.
You could almost try to make sense of it as it being that a networked, HDD-equipped PS3 is capable of evolving over a linear timeline, but your brain would kill itself if you actually tasked it with thinking about such preposterous Sony bombast.
Best post of the thread.
Chrange said:
The games that were 1080p had a sticker. GT5, WarDevil did, a few others did, all running with 1080p demos. Games like Heavenly Sword did not. However, some TVs still had a separate label on them, the standard TV stick-em that listed the TV's capabilities, and on that was 1080p amongst other functions. There was confusion amongst some journos as to what was 1080p and what wasn't, but the kiosk assistants were usually clear on the info when asked and the games that were 1080p were so clear in their marking that I'm not sure how anybody could have mixed up the two - if a journalist were to have skipped the GT HD section at E3 2005 and got all of his 1080p info from the generic TV sticker, you probably should not be reading work from that journalist.
_leech_ said:
In their PS3 specs at E3 2005, PS3 listed 1080p; Sony's PR team later screwed up and said something to IGN about it being a game standard (not sure if anybody else reported that info, it wasn't part of the conference itself,) which was repealed/debunked later but not as part of the event coverage.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/614/614815p1.html
BrokenSymmetry said:
It's a codename. I don't remember Nintendo's DOLPHIN project jumping through hoops and splashing audiences (or battling any pinballs with the FLIPPER, for that matter.) I'll never really understand why fanboys cling to that as a lie, it's like pointing and laughing at a girl named Destiny.
Demigod Mac said:
Making any claim that brought up the hit Toy Story instantly painted a distinct picture, and so the comparison was thrown around. But there is quite a lot of confusion on this point. There wasn't a great frame of reference at the time about where this next step in 3D graphics would go -- developers had a clue of how much better things would be with breakthrough PC work and the onset of Dreamcast and there was a clear idea that the capacity of DVD and the rendering quality of DC and PS2 and later Xbox would allow for levels and characters boasting quality leaps orders of magnitude above what gamers were used to in even the top-shelf PS1 games. (Remember that PS2 was first unveiled in March of 1999, about five months after the release of Metal Gear Solid in America.) - technically, the results were not up to that standard; conceptually, the ability to have expressive videogame characters with lip-synched dialog rendered with eye-pleasing fidelity and inhabiting dynamic worlds of realistic proportions was exactly what these game designers were thinking in that Toy Story comparison. It didn't help that a lot of dots were connected in how PS2 was capable of some of the advanced modeling technology as utilized in Toy Story (which is true, but obviously not nearly at that performance level and of course not in realtime) and also in how George Lucas was remarking that the same basic computing power used to make Star Wars Episode I was now being released in a home game console (again true, probably... you also have more computing power in your cellphone than was used in the Apollo missions, good luck flying to the moon.)
Sony's specs were exaggerated and perhaps even hopped-up (an estimated 20 mil with effects, yet I'm pretty sure even top performers like Jak II came in under 20mil.) To be fair to Sony, though, the very show that they officially announced the specs and all the "Toy Story graphics" rumors started, Sony had screenshots and even video (not on its own site, but I'm sure GameSpot and IGN were there as well as other sites that are probably dead now) of realtime demos and working games, none of which were Toy Story quality but all of which were very much indicative of what we'd get out of that generation.
And since I've noticed I'm finding myself in SDF mode, I'll also be a little fair to Microsoft (who also bandied about the "Toy Story graphics") and remind us that although the Raven demo was initially done via a target render video, a realtime demo with an interactive camera was hosted two months later at E3. I'll also be a dick to Nintendo and say that Nintendo made a little bit of Toy Story comparisons with its Ultra 64 by bandying about that it had partnered with SGI, the company "behind" the technology of Jurassic Park and probably Toy Story... not that there was ever a claim of realtime performance at that level, but they did want to paint that picture (and there was a disturbing amount of SGI tech rendering mixed in with the Ultra 64 demo footage in those old videotapes they put in stores and at CES.
dose said:Xbox realtime demo?
Nope. Target render. It was meant to artificially stun and hype up the system or the product, as all target renders are (whether they're made public or just made for publishers and venture caps,) but I don't believe Microsoft ever outwardly lied and said it was realtime. As mentioned, they showed off a realtime version six or eight weeks later. It was way off in quality (and framerate), but even so, it's not like they kept up the lie like some accuse them of doing.
Evilink said:
Now, 4D is pretty hilarious.
You could almost try to make sense of it as it being that a networked, HDD-equipped PS3 is capable of evolving over a linear timeline, but your brain would kill itself if you actually tasked it with thinking about such preposterous Sony bombast.
Slacker said:I remember back in the old 3dfx vs Nvidia days (I worked for 3dfx at the time), Nvidia floated out the Pixar comparison... Someone from Pixar took it to 'em:
These guys just have no idea what goes into `Pixar-level animation.' (That's not
quite fair, their engineers do, they come and visit all the time. But their
managers and marketing monkeys haven't a clue, or possibly just think that you
don't.)...
Story here: http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=13781290
Oh how we laughed at 3dfx. And then we went bankrupt.
Best post of the thread.
Coolio McAwesome
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OpinionatedCyborg said:
You are hilarious!
While the statement from my quote was already referenced several times in this thread, nobody had quoted it properly. Moreover, nobody else bothered to reference where or when the statement was made. Reading the quote itself might naturally lead people to think that Kutaragi was talking about the PS3. I decided to give the quote a little context in order to show that he was actually talking about the PS2. Knowing that the statement was actually made about the PS2 makes things even funnier, in my opinion, as everyone already knows that Kutaragi made a ton of crazy comments regarding the PS3.
Gouty said:
It was being developed for the PC. It wasn't in EGM, it was in NextGen. Dave Perry (I think that was his name) said that the engine could scale with the hardware, and said that in 5 years, it would still be the best looking game on the market.
In its defense it was a cool looking game that had cool ideas. Unfortunately it played like shit
The Shiny calling card! Oni was the same way. Wild 9's reach so far exceeded its grasp, that I think 5% of the original design doc made it into the game. We won't even talk about the Matrix.
DeaconKnowledge
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GAF circa 2004.
ShockingAlberto
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Man, the story of how Robotech 64 kept living and dying was like a soap opera.
No one apparently wanted that game to go quietly in to the still night.
No one apparently wanted that game to go quietly in to the still night.
professor_t
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Apparently, no one actually got a second job.
MomoPufflet
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Cannot believe it took more than 200 posts to get to the Robotech Crystal Dreams picture.
Does anyone remember an issue of Gamefan where there was a blurb about X-Men vs. Street Fighter coming to N64, and it went like "It's also coming to Saturn, but will it look as good? I THINK NOT"?
Does anyone remember an issue of Gamefan where there was a blurb about X-Men vs. Street Fighter coming to N64, and it went like "It's also coming to Saturn, but will it look as good? I THINK NOT"?
jonnybryce
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OldJadedGamer said:Who could forget this gem of a photo?
:lol
Zhuk said:
Thats a very common skeptic approach.
Someone says something that directly opposes your way of thinking, but instead of taking their view head on they will belittle the person and count that as debunking.
that stuff would never fly on my primary school debating team.
MomoPufflet said:
The thing to keep in mind is that each issue basically had little "previews + news bits" sections for the different consoles, and each of those sections was often handled by somebody who was pretty much a fanboy for the console. So, when you read something like that, it's more than likely because the person writing it was an unashamed Nintendo person.
speculawyer
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Kaz really likes to shoot for the moon, doesn't he?OldJadedGamer said:Who could forget this gem of a photo?
BTW . . . Netscape, AOL, and Playstation. None of those are really hot stuff these days, eh? :lol
BTW, I was surprised how long it took before that Madden render appeared in this thread.
MrTroubleMaker
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:lol this thread is a gold mine, keep it up 
soul creator
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a Co-processor? SOLD!
ZephyrFate
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"...quite possibly the greatest game ever made." - GameFan Magazine, on the back of FFVII's game box.
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Kapsama said:
It actually went from
600MHz "Pentium 3"
300MHz "XGPU"
150 million superduper polygons per second
to
733MHz Mobile P3 w reduced cache (from 512KB to 256KB - Pentiron?)
233MHz GeForce 4 (2 Vertex shaders, 4 Pixel shaders - close to Ti 4200)
~10+ million lit and textured triangles/sec
DangerStepp
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:lol :lolprofessor_t said:
:lol :lolZephyrFate said:
leroy hacker said:
If that's where that whole 'toy story' thing started, then you can attribute that to Steven Levy, the editor at Newsweek, not Sony. I'm sure Sony was glad of the hype, but you can't attribute that to them.
The only direct claim from a gaming company to 'toy story' graphics was a different platform holder wrt a different system..though that claim didn't catch on or become nearly as infamous as the supposed Sony claim.
Also, to the poster that cites the FFVIII PS2 demo vs what we actually got in FFX & FXII, I think you need to go back and rewatch that demo, or look up direct screens from it. It was certainly not a faithful reproduction of the original game's CG, nor is it anything that would make the latter FF games on PS2 envious (resolution asides, perhaps).
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Has anyone mentioned the 64DD? Like...everything about it.
chun li's thighs
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mr stroke said:GameFan was always wrong:lol
dammit...I bought an N64 for that game and it never came out. I've since then talked to folks that played that game and they said it pretty much sucked.