DunDunDunpachi
Banned
I think that is GAF's biggest strength.
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Gaming trolls keep that same energy
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Dontero
Banned
I have the nerve to call them out because i saw clearly how 2007 Neogaf everyone loved became 2015 Neogaf everyone hated. They can ignore it too, they are adults and agree or not.
It pains me when mods try to make out of neogaf higher society that 2015 Neogaf wanted to be where you had to eggshells to say what you wanted. Moderation team are not gods on pedestal which are omnibuses, they are people which change their attitudes and opinions as they go. Moderation is hard i know it all too well but lately clearly something changed in how threads are moderated and even "jokes and ribbing" are not allowed because you get warn for that or your post is deleted.
The whole "flame wars" are bad moderation type of policy also don't make sense because Neogaf doesn't have numbers it used to have to even muster 10 page threads. Not all flame wars are bad, heated debates are literally whole point of forums. Some flame wars can be bad yes when people just shit on each other but here is example of flamewar that spanned 300pages GT fans vs Forza fans that lead to epic screenshots and shitload of fun. It spawned from people shitting on various GT/Forza threads and mods literally made thread for them to go at it. Don't have a link though and i don't ermember exact name so my google fu doesn't work.
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Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Strength and weakness at the same time
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
100% not true. You wanna compare the old shithole hivemind GAF with todays GAF? No comparison!
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
True. "Weakness" in the sense that it allows in trolls.
I get annoyed by certain trolls that seem to linger for many weeks / months longer than I would prefer to deal with, but that is an annoyance worth dealing with in exchange for a more genuine community experience. Tis the nature of online forums.
GHG
Member
To be fair is still got a bit of a way to go to being back at the late 2000's level.
Don't think it will ever get back there though, people have gone a bit soft now, the world is a different place.
Having said that, as a whole people here are a lot less soft compared to most places on the Internet. I'll take it.
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Airola
Member
I've been here on GAF for quite a while and I've never held my tongue, I can say I've been banned exactly 1 time and that was during the Trump election because people were mad I posted this gif after the results came in:
I was accused of being insensetive to the absolute MELTDOWN that was the election thread. Getting called racist, bigot, pos, etc. because I voted for Trump. When I got banned I was pissed because it was obviously biased. Took Neogaf to blow up before people realized how crazy Old Gaf was.
Of course you were banned. That's a digital blackface! Both of those people in that gif are clearly black and you are using them for your own amusement!
Kev Kev
Member
lol ikr!? never knew there was so much drama on gaf. i had no idea what i was getting with that first post. from the looks of it though, its just a couple users being douche bags and everyone else is pointing and laughing as mods disassemble them with evidence and logicWhat happened here?
but still...
Dontero
Banned
Good example of that is Thelastsword. He is obvious troll or fanboy^2 and yet delivers a lot of fun it is always hilarious to read his pages of text.... where every... sentence .... is followed by .... Blamespace was beloved person on old forum in similar vein though with different style.
It is onus on community members to understand and learn who is member of such community and where it is worth to follow up or not and who is troll or not. People come and go but memories last forever.
I am not saying it became 2015 version. I am saying it is on that road. One of key reasons why it became 2015 version is that mods started to but in into people conversations frequently and started tone policing. Bans were always tradition of Neogaf but tone policing was not. Bans were used to get rid of pests who truly shit in thread after thread. Unfortunutelly around 2009 that policy started to go corrupt and mods started to ban people for things they say that they just didn't like, rest of the story we know. It started first with trying to remove "juvenaile" talk, "first posts" and one liners. Before Neogaf has amazing tradition where by some weird coincidence first post was usually so good that first 1-2 pages were just comments on how good first post was. That got killed and many other things started to follow.
This is why i am mentioning Killzone thread so much. Because it is literally in golden age of Neogaf that everyone remembers fondly of, friends were made so on and so forth. When reee brigade split from Neogaf, new rules were breath of fresh air after stinky fart but lately it seems that those rules come back despite claims they they do not. People are different and have different minds but tone policing with different mindset will lead to same thing where people will be walking on eggshells just with different flavor.
Good example of great policy was when we asked for politics part of neogaf because after reee brigade moved away people who stayed started to bloat offtop with politics which not everyone likes and wants to enjoy. Those people were not wrong, just didn't have a way to talk about their subjects. IT is good that they were not banned because they didn't need to be banned.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Nah.
Bullcrap.
My post in thread i got warned WAS CLEARLY LIGHT HEARTED JOKE/TROLL
It was meta commentary to how dumb design was. Anyone with decent experience with hardware knows that orienting power around system wattage for consumer product like console doesn't make sense and it was pure PR speak. I spend some time to write that obvious troll on that dumb statement to show how ridiculous whole thing is by creating ridicolous statements by using litearlly what PR statement said. Unfortunately your mentioned "lack of rules" actually exist.
Oh here is another showing how ridiculous Phil Spencer quote was about lack of NEXT GEN games for their system in first year in context of thread which was exactly stating that making next games is wrong and people should not be "divided".
Yes, exactly. The only pattern here is you, trolling. Not light hearted, but hiding behind it being 'light hearted' in order to cause drama. The same pattern as trying to mask a TLOU thread behind a Spongebob Squarepants title, or trolling the Mythbusters thread in which you ignored a notification to reign it in and have some tact. Or the trolling like entering the spoiler etiquette thread and dropping a major spoiler for FFVII just as it released - knowing there would be plenty of people playing it for the first time. So therefore the same rules apply, if you are antagonistic, dangle low effort bait or disrupt threads then you will be given reply bans and warnings. It's really that simple. If you're going to walk the line of light hearted trolling, then the onus is on you is to frame it correctly and make sure it doesn't cross the lines, not us.
I think you should look at the top of the forums, you will see a sticky called GIF competition run by Musky Cheese. That entire competition and monthly recurring thread was started around light hearted console war gifs. There is a dedicated xbox meme thread as well, and there are various gifs being posted in live events (though less than we would like, we would like to see the gaf game upped!). A gif of obvious extreme humour is not the same as going into a thread and making up joke quotes to rile people up. GAF has a much larger heritage regarding gifs and memes, than people fighting in threads. I thought you would know this from history.
I genuinely don't know what point you're making with the Killzone thread. But let me put this to you:
Do you think a thread from 13 years ago is indicative of how forums have changed or their userbase now?
Do you think the demographs have remained the same, or is it likely that those people (who are still here) are now pushing mid 30's and beyond?
Do you think a lot of people in those threads have outgrew forums, and also outgrew petty console warrior comments?
Is it likely that the backfill of the younger generation now get their fixes on social media like twitter, youtube comments and twitch chat?
Have you read any of the recent schadenfreude threads about Epic and Sony deals? What about the current one regarding the UE5 demo and streaming speeds? Pretty much every TLOU II thread had humour in about people's builds and weights etc. The next-gen OT is pretty much a battleground. Again, as long as you aren't deliberately trolling or misrepresenting data it remains open. We recently even had an amnesty in which those who were served reply bans were allowed back into the thread. Maybe your problem is that aspiring to be someone edgy from thirteen years ago doesn't translate well to a more mature audience or the current climate in general.
The only person throwing tantrums here is you. I'll just level with you, if you're trying to cultivate a persona like those celebrity posters you mentioned, then you are failing miserably. Your comedy, timing and trolling is not good enough, and needs working on. A lot. Because without all of that, it is just trolling that is being dressed up with a victim complex.
There are plenty of people joking, ribbing and using extreme hyperbole who know how to wield it. Why do you think it is that it's only a handful of people that keep getting the same warnings? Why is it only those people who are unable to make jokes properly? Have you heard of the tale of the man who went the doctor with chronic pain? He sat down and told the doctor the problem was everywhere, his body was just in constant pain. The doctor asked him to show him. The man touched his leg and winced. He then touched his arm and winced even more. He touched his neck and let out a gasp of pain. The doctor asked him to stop and said 'Sir, you only have one problem. And it is, that your finger is broken'. Probably a more up to date saying would be 'why does drama always follow the same person?'
The fact that you hint at closing threads or assert that moderators are god (except in the literal case of
Mod of War
) leads me to believe you don't have your finger on the pulse of GAF at all. We are probably one of the most hands off mod teams right now in most places, we have an open ban/review thread in which we have many dialogues and transparency, we have a page which audits all bans and we curate no topic of controversial stances (except in extreme outlying cases), only trolling and antagonism.The thread won't be closed as you have the right of reply but this is as far as the conversation goes without it turning into a cyclical argument. You have warnings and reply bans and you're free to take them on board, or you're free to ignore them.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
vaibhavpisal
Member
Gamernyc78
"This, is your life [on GAF]"
Let us take a trip down memory lane and recall those formative years, where you broke out from your shell , stood on your own two legs and made us take notice of you. Reviewing all your reply bans, we can see you have amassed a total of (7). And these have been issued when we have absolutely had our hand forced with your juvenile posts - the below are examples in a string of posts made across the same timeframe in which a singular reply ban was thought enough to make you think and stop.
- You first reply ban was a quick and direct attempt to derail a thread and trying to antagonise and berate specific users
- This was followed up within a month for your contributions in this thread, with this being one of many anatagonistic posts
- Within the month you were back amongst the feuding and like others also received a temporary ban for reducing this thread into fighting
- You were again removed a couple of months later for yet more console war antagonism, as were other posters for doing the same
- After a brief hiatus from needing reply bans, you seemed to miss them and earned another temporary one in this thread
- Again, you ignored many soft mod notices in the thread after your reply ban was served and graced us with posts like this, for which you earned a significantly longer reply ban
- In the last two months you have still been unable to help yourself and resorted to more console war posts like this
In light of the reply bans, we can now move onto actual site bans (4)
- Your first ban was a short two day corrective nudge which asked you to tone down the console warring in June 2019
- Your second ban was for three weeks for ignoring warnings and reply bans (which we will come to shortly) in September 2019
- Your third ban was for two weeks in in March 2020 for ignoring warning points again and repeatedly console warring
- Your fourth ban was for two weeks again in June 2020 for ignoring warning points again and repeatedly console warring.
All the instances and logs have attached audit trails of several pages of posts and activity from yourself that the mods review before taking action. These all evidence you atagonising people, trolling, danging low hanging bait or just being disruptive. The above are meant just as a small window to evidence we don't just say "Oh yeah, it's gamernyc78 - smash that ban button".
Lastly, we move onto the actual warnings you have amassed. Eleven in total, some expired now, some not, which we take into account when reply bans and site bans are issued. You are not Jean Valjean and we are not Javert. No one is being afforded any more leniency that you have been. Actions are being taken against you quicker and escalating in harshness because you are not learning, and still insist on being a caricature. Perhaps you will reflect on the fact that how you view posters you have named in the OP, is how you are perceived by a much larger contingent of the forum. Their warnings or nudges are issued at a much lower severity and frequency than yours, because the respect with an honest intent to change is clearly seen. We are not going to punish momentary lapses of frustration that are out of character. True consistency is allowing everyone the same amount of chances you have been given, not upping the harshness of the measuwres you now face for persisting with the same behaviour.
These many bans and warnings are the reason OP wants everyone banned on the site.
Mods should think about it.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah I want everyone banned when I specifically mention a couple of ppl who get passes for trolling and not the many tht respectfully show different views.
Think about the frivolous, asanine thing you just said. I'll wait.
Gamernyc78
Banned
(except in the literal case of
Birdo
Banned
EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
Trolls have to look at themselves their plan is to get a reaction out of someone, so the troll relationship is certainly a unique one.
sonomamashine
Member
You should be banned just for this.
Mmkay.Ouuu u the midaaannnn homie.
What ppl laugh about, we actually live. The vernacular is real. Dont misconstrue hood talk with being uneducated. I have a BA in Forensic Psych.
Just saying lol
Gamernyc78
Banned
I just want to thank Evilore, the mods, that let this thread ride. I thought it would be shut down but I appreciate you guys letting ppl talk about it.
For everyone tht commented, I appreciate you too because most if not all were respectful and this didn't turn to an overall shit fest.
I'm glad we can have different views but talk cordially and with a respectful decorum.
Happy gaming brethrens.
For everyone tht commented, I appreciate you too because most if not all were respectful and this didn't turn to an overall shit fest.
I'm glad we can have different views but talk cordially and with a respectful decorum.
Happy gaming brethrens.
GHG
Member
The reality is that you should grow thicker skin.
There's a difference between people who blatantly troll and shit up discussions (if there is one to be had in the first place, which in some cases there isn't) and people who add light hearted commentary that lightens the place up.
Basically don't take everything so seriously and you'll be alright.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Lol if you knew me, seen my post in the past, etc my skin is thick. This has nothing whatsoever to do with tht but favoritism and ppl not being impartial. But good try, I see you
. If I make a general post, someone specifically responds to it in an asanine manner and I then tell tht person they a clown and address their disrespect but I get banned Instead of tht person lol there is an issue. Ppl can talk and make assumptions but without context it's moot imo.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
One thing that probably leads to more or less warnings and bans is how much you contribute to the site.
Some people like the OP seem to gravitate posts to console warring kinds of threads. Maybe if all warriors spread out more to other threads or forum tabs it wouldn't be so blatant.
Some people like the OP seem to gravitate posts to console warring kinds of threads. Maybe if all warriors spread out more to other threads or forum tabs it wouldn't be so blatant.
vaibhavpisal
Member
This post was supposed to help with your ban problems. (Though I concede won't help much). But you go calling me names.
Typical ungrateful behaviour.
GHG
Member
Lol if you knew me, seen my post in the past, etc my skin is thick. This has nothing whatsoever to do with tht but favoritism and ppl not bring impartial. But good try, I see you
Everyone here who is an active poster has had a slap on the wrist at some point, I don't see the problem.
To give you an analogy, everyone who drives speeds at some point, but it's those who speed all the time who are most likely to get into trouble and eventually banned from driving. Stop speeding all the time.
GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm sorry for your wife then
Gamernyc78
Banned
Lol my bad if I took it out of context. And I didn't call you names but referenced what you said and called tht asanine there is a difference.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Slap on wrist? Again bro you don't know what your talking about this isn't about a slap on a wrist. If certain ppl are allowed to disrespect and troll freely and others are held accountable it creates an atmosphere of oppresors/oppressed. It's a gaming forum and isn't tht deep but I'll be damned if I feel boxed in and can't speak my mind and don't say anything. This is bigger than me, I mentioned specific ppl bcus those names constantly pop up in discourse. So although I am the face I'm not the body I just chose to speak because I am tht vocal type of person.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
What probably happened is OP is frustrated with some of his enemies not getting banned, he reported them a bunch of times and nothing happened. So he's trying to publicly complain in hopes his allies jump in, or mods getting pressured in plain view into taking action into Mista and Arcadia.
Kind of like Floyd riots. One person complaining doesn't do anything. But if he can round up enough support (strength in numbers), it might work to influence mods to change it up.
Good luck with that.
Kind of like Floyd riots. One person complaining doesn't do anything. But if he can round up enough support (strength in numbers), it might work to influence mods to change it up.
Good luck with that.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
DING DING DING
Gamernyc78
Banned
I rarely act like a.... And report ppl
you are actually on my ignore list for a reason so your comment and agenda makes sense. Enemies???
I'm dead.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Dong Dong Dong lol
Smh boy some ppl are transparent asf lol you also been on ignore since like 2019 lol like clockwork certain responses from certain ppl match
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Here's an idea. If you don't like how bans are going, why not PM mods, or post your view in the Ban thread?I rarely act like a.... And report ppl
Enemies???
There you go. If you don't like seeing someone's post (like mine), then put people on ignore if you can't take it.
Also, I'm not on your ignore list, since you replied. And just to prove I'm not, you even replied to my edited comment which I added a sentence about Floyd from when NIkana responded to me. So it's not like you copied my reply from Nikana.
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GHG
Member
Jesus christ you're still not getting it. Let me use PS Quintuple speak, then maybe you will understand.
Lower your voltage, lower your clockspeed, allow the heat to drop and only boost when necessary. Use SmartShift, it will stop you from self sabotaging.
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Gamernyc78
Banned
GHG
Member
sonomamashine
Member
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Dong Dong Dong lol
Smh boy some ppl are transparent asf lol you also been on ignore since like 2019 lol like clockwork certain responses from certain ppl match
So brave. HE IGNORED ME. The...the....the courage.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
He's BSing.
He said I was ignore too, yet he responded to my post, which I edited with an extra sentence after you replied to me.
Yet his reply has my whole newly edited content.
vaibhavpisal
Member
At this rate you guys will get OP banned from this thread as well.
Thread is hilarious but is getting to point of bickering.
Thread is hilarious but is getting to point of bickering.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Not at all lol I'm answering respectfully and as per guidelines.
But I'm done with the thread just wanted to put this in the light with mods and evil so mission accomplished.
Silvawuff
Member
Honestly I have mad respect for the admin team here. OP would have been banned 8960426 times in other places and this thread would have been locked 85762624 times. The fact they're allowing you a voice and giving you full transparency of community policy should speak volumes. Respect that you're a guest here and give the other guests their due respect in discourse. I've been an active poster here for 8 years and I've never been warned. I've been checked a few times by others users when I deserved it, which is the best moderation possible imo. Learn when to back off and enjoy the conversation.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
You probably don't post in next-gen speculation.
ShinNL
Member
As someone who really doesn't really venture much into any ban related threads (it helps I'm not interested in next-gen, at all), from what I see your reasoning has gotten to this point:
When I see names like @Mista and
-Arcadia-
being sources of your anger, I can't help but think that they grown into a source of hatred for you, way beyond what most people on this forum would ever feel about them.
It's really not important. This is not a command nor a demeaning advice. Just...
Chill and have fun man. All the small details aren't that important, it's just a relaxing forum.
When I see names like @Mista and
-Arcadia-
being sources of your anger, I can't help but think that they grown into a source of hatred for you, way beyond what most people on this forum would ever feel about them.It's really not important. This is not a command nor a demeaning advice. Just...
Chill and have fun man. All the small details aren't that important, it's just a relaxing forum.
Dontero
Banned
Good thing you are sitting in my mind and read my thoughts. You somehow connected 7 different warnings as if i specifically go to threads to shit in them and on purpose rile up people and actually don't mean anything by post i say.
Good job mate. You should try mind reading more. Could be useful in life.
I even specifically explained to you like 5 that i spent some time creating such ridiculous post to show exactly, brutally how stupid thread title quotes from PR were when applied in real life. I am sorry that you do not have capability to understand sarcasm and few other language constructs which you claim you can like hyperbole.
Next time instead of writing funny ridiculous story that uses logic in PR i will just write "Console hardware does not need to follow stable power delivery because it is a feature only worthwhile in enterprise products" or " YEs Cerny is god UgU" which seems to be what you want threads to feature.
The thread i made about Spengebob was legit but because you saw me in other thread shitting on TLOU2 and i dared to post along it OTHER EXAMPLE of recent game with huge divide between critics and userbase you decided it was some kind of conspiracy that thread wasn't about divide between critics and userbase but secretly about TLOU2 based on nothing other than you not liking that i critiqued TLOU2 before. You seek agenda where there is none.
Yes i am critical of TLOU2 and i don't hide my views on it. Are you so butthurt about my critique that you have to stalk me in other threads to see if my negative post about game reach certain number and you need to prevent me from critiquing it more ? Is that agenda to you that i take part in multiple TLOU2 thread and talk about it ? How many posts i should make critiquing TLOU2 before i will get on agenda list ? Does it work for other games ? Because i plenty critique Final Fantasy 15 even made several threads on it and yet i didn't receive even one warning.
All i can see as answer from you is ignoring arguments and again targeting post warning history as if it makes perfect sense and it is not the reason we talk about it in first place. You painted yourself picture in head that i am XYZ and whatever i do it is proof that this is the truth.
If you are interested in talk then talk instead of hiding behind "you are attention whore but let me tell you..."
I understand now everything. You never were around 2007 on neogaf and you never experienced golden age of Neogaf.
The gifs you like so much that were created and were popularized by that Killzone thread. That thread was so legendary that gifs from that thread got to Sony CES conference next year where Kaz Hirai was standing and behind him was exact same gif i posted in previous post.
They WERE NOT made because Bish Evilore or some other mod created thread to make gifs. Such things do not happen because you say " ok guys time to make good gifs now" they are effect of community interaction, flame wars, heated debates. When i posted one of the most famous gifs from that thread in previous post you say it was not attack gif but hype gif. No it was gif specifically to attack Xbox made by some fanboy as 100s of others that internet lived for good months if not years. Those gifs are still used till this day. Again read the thread and maybe you will understand part of history about Neogaf and what made it so special to so many people.
Spare me those "internet celebrities". I didn't even bother to recover my old account when Evilore made it possible.
And what is that spoiler ? In FF7 remake Aeris doesn't die mate. I specifically went into that thread to ask how should spoilers be handled when you have old game FF7 and Aerith dying is literally gaming history trivia at level of mario wearing red cap. I was banned and didn't even know why because it made logical sense to ask about spoilers in thread where rules about spoliers are being made. I didn't go to any FF7 remake thread and post that there. But it is not something i have problem with. I concur that maybe i should read first 10 pages instead of asking question.
But of course you were insecure about your arguments and you had to look at my post history in order to again change goalposts and create conspiracy theory. If you look long enough you will find anything you want.
... what ? I literally said the opposite that mods are not gods and they have opinions that can change. I start to think you don't understand various language constructs people use in life daily.
I do have finger on gaf. I am here since ~circa2005 and i perfectly know what you are talking about because i took part in discussion about when neogaf was restarted about mod policy, i proposed with few people that there should be politics forum to move people from offtopp who want to talk about politics and leave politics out of offtop.
Yes it is true that it is completely incomparable place to what was in 2015 and this is something great but i fear mod team thinks that only thing about 2015 ish version of forum was wrong kind of people wielding mod power and not that rules were garbage and mods instead of doing their jobs as mods to remove weeds who don't contribute anything and only shit in threads started to tone police what can be talked about and how it should be talked.
Literally my warn was explained that that post "wasn't funny" if that is not tone policing then i don't know what is when you talk about "offhand" mod approach you are proud off. Secondly post has even more reactions than most of post in that threads so it is literally fun for people who read it. So it was fun and people get it. It is mod that didn't get it.
Maybe you should apply mentioned story to yourself ? Maybe it is not me who is not funny but maybe you who is buthurt about invisible conspiracy theory ?
Ok then, why is that in those threads people are allowed to be funny or critical and why i can't ? Why is that you need construct some kind of conspiracy theory about me in order to justify warns ?
The only cyclical argument in this debate is that you say that i am conspiring against something and you using my warn history to create conspiracy theory that support your claim that i am secret MS fanboy despite being warned in both Sony and MS thread for critiquing both.
But you are right. Debate has ended. You don't think anything is wrong with your aproach i have different opinion. C'est la vie
Here is gif that wouldn't exist without community flamewars, heated debates and so on. That is Yoshida aping Neogaf gif meme based on banderas gif which was later made via ND to Joel again based on Neogaf meme. None of which happened because someone made thread to make gifs like you suggest.
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