According to these articles, at the same point in time PS3+ 360 had sold 48m.
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PS4 is at about 54m. Alone.
Nuts.
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"Gamingbolt: Xbox One sales at 26 million"
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According to these articles, at the same point in time PS3+ 360 had sold 48m.
....
PS4 is at about 54m. Alone.
Nuts.
HeisenbergWW62
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Xbone-Scorpio will be a bigger difference than PS4-Pro without a doubt. People are comparing them because many incorrectly seem to think that the Scorpio is a new generation Xbox. It isn't. It is a mid-gen upgrade just like the Pro, albeit a more substantial one
Both are console refreshes rather than clean generational breaks. The power increase delta is a bit wider though on the MS side though.
I think the ram and GPU upgrade from X1 will be much more dramatic that PS4 to Pro, probably dramatic in comparison to Pro as well.
Not sure if that will sway the console buying audience, although miltiplatform games are the big driver this generation, so better multiplats could have a positive effect on console sales.
Very impressive indeed but keep in mind that PS3 launched later than 360. Launch aligned they would be slightly ahead of PS4.
Uh Playstation has PSVR and a pretty good foothold on the VR market. No developer is stupid enough to make an exclusive for Scorpio AND a VR headset as well. The VR market itself is already small.
You're not going to see any exclusive VR games on the Scorpio unless MS pays out the ass for one.
Louis Cyphre
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The Xbox One doubled the sales of the Wii U and the PS4 doubled the sales of the Xbox One. If the PS4 doesn't hit 100 million is that a sign of the downward spiral of game consoles?
Melchiah
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HeisenbergWW62
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The fact that the PS4 has already sold what it has proves that this isn't the case
Triggerhappytel
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Sounds like steaming horseshit to me. Why would they actively want to sell in as few markets as possible?!
It is most impressive. I estimate they'd be at around 80 million sold through to consumers if they hadn't botched the first couple of years.
Louis Cyphre
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But is the PS4 picking up the lack of sales from Nintendo and Microsoft compared to the previous generation? I'd like to see a breakdown of every generation to see what actual overall growth there is in the console market.
Yep, everyone thought that Microsoft would be market leader or at least ahead of Sony for most of the gen, but misstep after misstep led to this.
That and they just aren't as global as Sony as far as gaming goes.
And even with all of that they aren't far behind Sony in the US.
With the One S restoring some of their good name and Scorpion coming out they are in good shape. Much better then I thought they were.
Theonik
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Sony had to shed 30KG of Kaz's weight to return to profitability. Also VAIO.
Interficium
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Surely DocSeuss will return to this thread after dropping that gaf career-ender.
surely.
surely.
No. Every system is down a lot compared to last gen. PS4 is the exception.
Not sure what that means going forward though.
It's other markets I'm worried about. It's possible to take back the US. UK, and especially Japan? Different story. I mean, consoles are dead in Japan anyway, so I guess they should focus on other territories and focus on one-upping Sony.
Console gaming is shrinking?
Razgriz-Specter
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PS2 was one hell of a drug.
Looks that way.
But I won't act like I know anything about future sales or the health of the industry.
hanspampel
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Ps4 vs Xbox One (pre Xbox One S) sales ratio in different regions
US: 1.14:1
UK: 1.2 - 1.25:1
FR: 3:1
DE: 4.5:1
JP: 50:1
Well damn when you put it like that....MS is the odd man out in all this.
DriftingSpirit
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demogorgon
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I'd say it is as a whole. last gen the market was huge thanks to the Success of the Wii selling about 100 million on it's own. roughly 260 million total consoles sold made it the largest selling gen of all time. The thing was the Wii U has only sold around 15mil IIRC because alot of the Wii owners simply didn't buy a Wii U or any console for that matter and probably a large majority went mobile/tablet gaming.
As far as the XB/PS they sold a combined 160mil last gen give or take at about 80mil each. Realistically I expect them to sell the same this gen but with a split and PS4 at around 100mil and XB1 around 60mil. Were are going to be about halfway through the gen later this year sony is at 60mil and XB1 at 26mil roughly so they are around 86mil halfway so I'd say it's the same as last gen for the 2. the difference is about 20mil XB360 owners moved to the PS4. Plus we still stand to see a bump as PSVR launched recently and has been hard to obtain. MS sales picked up with the launch of the S and they have the scorpio and possibly VR/AR coming as well which should see a bump in sales. It's very possible that Sony/MS combined outsell what the PS360 did with the PS4/XB1 this gen. I don't think that audience has shrunk at all or went to PC and a large scale
It means ppl voted with their wallets and ppl may have been confused about some things with XBO and Wii U.
Which means give ppl what they want and have a clear message.
SporeCrawler
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amazing if you think about it as XBOX One is nonexistant in Japan and WiiU outsold it in some EU countries like France or Germany. Even if Nintendo pratically just pulled the plug of the WiiU since 2016
From a games perspective the Xboxone Lineup seems to be a subsection of what PS4 has to offer at this point so it really looks like Xbox One sold on the reputation of MS in their 360 days,..
gundamkyoukai
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Don't see X1 selling 60 million .
Plus this gen will be lower MS\Sony combine since i expect less people to own 2 systems .
Agreed. The Scorpio/X1S would have to start selling around 12 million a year over the next 3 years. Not impossible but certainly a very tall task. If they can move 15 million this year it would certainly be a little lot easier.
The ceiling in the US is probably around 30-35 million lifetime. That would mean around 25-30 million for the rest of the world lifetime to reach 60+million. That is pretty hard to achieve.
I think Scorpio making a dent depends almost entirely on how Microsoft communicates it to consumers. I think if they make enough noise about it being a huge upgrade over the Xbox One, then people, especially those already on X1 will upgrade in the same way smartphone users upgrade to newer hardware. Again, this depends on how much noise Microsoft makes about it. People might perceive as a new generation anyway.
randomengine
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Oh wow.
I presume these are correct numbers?
So PS4 is still catching up to 3ds.
Hirai is going to come on the 2017 E3 stage with slide again.
Can you believe this was an actual slide in an actual E3 presser? Man times have changed.
this stuff got me laughing so hard. oh man.
They want to maintain a two tier system. A premium product in Scorpio and a budget console is X1S. If you price one at $250 and the other at $400 you will be pretty well positioned. BF 2017 you can have the X1S selling for $200 plus $25-$30GC and free games or controller. Sony will do the same.
bitbydeath
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Wii gen was never a good benchmark as it was mostly non-gamers buying it, of course they won't be back, they aren't turning to mobile gaming either or anything else for that matter, they just got caught in the hype of having a must own product.
The switch is likely to sell more than 26 million even though it may have a slow start.
I just feel Scorpio will be in a tough spot when released. I see Sony getting the Pro down to 300 during the holiday. Price beats anything during the holiday simple and plain.
Imo MS would be in better shape competing this year. I see ps4 dominating this year and the holidays do to flexibility with price.
No way MS can drop Scorpio price Next holiday without a huge loss. We just have to see what happens I guess.
I think you are right in saying that The Pro will be on sale for abound $300. I bought mine for $330 during Cyber Monday.
hanspampel
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Ps4 had its first official $50 pricecut in the US 2 years after release
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/c...aystation-4-price-reduced-to-34999-in-the-us/
you expect the Ps4 Pro to be down $100 just in 1 year?
Yes for the holiday I do as a poster above said he got it for $330 this cyber Monday.
hanspampel
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well i got the ps4 pro for 280€ as bargin hunter. but that is not, what the general consumer will pay. they payed 399€.
he got the console for $330 thanks to a store discounts from target and / or combining different discounts (or maybe the target price match from amazon)
the MSRP or regular discounted price won't be that low across the board
I think price wont matter much if Microsoft pushes Scorpio in the marketing. That and they'll push the whole "Most powerful console ever!" slogan like everywhere in the marketing, I guarantee it.
Will that kind of marketing hype work out? Remains to be seen, but I'm not ready to dismiss the Scorpio outright like others here.
We have to remember that a large part of the 360 revival with the american audience was kinect, now that thats dead who knows where its base lies. They probably lost tens of millions of people.
To the person who said that most power matters, price is ALWAYS key during the holidays. People look for the cheapo products. What do think is going to happen when ps4 and X1 are 250 or less and Pro is 300 while scorpio is 400-500? Lmao. It will do good during its launch, but outside that.
To the person who said that most power matters, price is ALWAYS key during the holidays. People look for the cheapo products. What do think is going to happen when ps4 and X1 are 250 or less and Pro is 300 while scorpio is 400-500? Lmao. It will do good during its launch, but outside that.
Kaji AF16
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It could have been worse for Microsoft, given the legendary mistakes made during the Mattrick era and the Xbox One´s launch. Profitable division or not, the original objective of Xbox has arguably been lost (controlling the living room, which has been relativized by the advent of smartphones, mobile, etc.).
Spencer led a damaged brand against an almost universally praised -sometimes undeservedly, IMHO- Sony and in general I believe he has been comparatively successful. To me, Xbox has been a much more attractive gaming platform than PlayStation between 2014 and 2016.
That said, this year seems to be the end of Microsoft´s relative momentum: it seems unlikely for them to match Sony´s offering from now on, and Scorpio will probably struggle to find a significant market share.
Spencer led a damaged brand against an almost universally praised -sometimes undeservedly, IMHO- Sony and in general I believe he has been comparatively successful. To me, Xbox has been a much more attractive gaming platform than PlayStation between 2014 and 2016.
That said, this year seems to be the end of Microsoft´s relative momentum: it seems unlikely for them to match Sony´s offering from now on, and Scorpio will probably struggle to find a significant market share.
I think the xbox 360 sold a bit more than 50% WW before it was discontinued if I'm correct. If I recall the xbox 360 sold around 42 million in the US. US:WW ratio was probably 47%-49%:51%-53%
Hirai is going to come on the 2017 E3 stage with slide again.
Can you believe this was an actual slide in an actual E3 presser? Man times have changed.
Lmao this is gold hahaha omg i can´t believe they showed this haha Kaz is the man!
There's a hardcore enthusiast crowd that visit gaf. There's also a much larger market that price Trumps slogans in November. A $300 to $325 pro will dominate especially if Scorpio is over $400.