rokkerkory
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"Gamingbolt: Xbox One sales at 26 million"
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scoobs
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They should be much more concerned about their software lineup than refreshing hardware. I'd expect them to sell 10-15 million Scorpio units in its lifetime if the Xbox One is anything to go by. Don't see how any of this is worth it in that case. I'm expecting to be absolutely blown away at E3 this year, I hope they announce a ton of exclusive games, and I'm totally in on buying a Scorpio. If they just focus on hardware and show games we already know about, then why would anyone even care about Scorpio aside from people who were going to buy it anyway?
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His ass lol
gundamkyoukai
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Where are you getting that from .
There is no way software sales can be close when PS4 has near a 30 million lead .
In Germany for eg it's not close no matter where the software comes from .
SenjutsuSage
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Funny. You clearly have no idea how capable those specs are with today's more modern GPUs, and the GPU isn't the only aspect of the console expected to be up to the task. And the mistake people are making right now is assuming that 4K resolution on Scorpio automatically means the same as what 4K on PC means. It doesn't. Devs will still be able to make the same concessions here and there that they've always made on consoles in order to reach a specific target. The point is that Scorpio will at least be a console that can get close enough to real 4K where those concessions will allow for both solid playability at good framerates with enhancements over the typical Xbox One release.
And, most important of all, Scorpio's power does not even need to be used for 4K in the first place. They can go half that amount, or even 1080p at double the framerate. No matter how you slice it, Scorpio titles will 95% of the time be much better versions than their Xbox One counterparts, and not just the same Xbox One games in higher resolution. If you believe there will be zero benefit to scorpio besides resolution then it isn't I who hasn't learned, it is anyone that thinks as you do.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Sauce?
wapplew
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https://globenewswire.com/news-rele...-HALF-2016-17-SALES-AND-EARNINGS-FIGURES.html
Ubisoft earning reports. Q2 2016/17 platform breakdown show PS4 38%, Xbox one 24%.
Closer than 2:1.
I could check more publishers report but most show software sales is closer.
hanspampel
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not at all. microsoft is making more money even with declining hardware sales
profits are also on the rise
you should have said relative software sales, or tie ratio
whenever you say something like that people here will mostly assume you talk about total and will call you crazy etc.
yeah Microsoft is doing fine on the software side. but smaller installbases tend to have higher software sales in general.
Vince DiCola
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I still can't believe how badly Microsoft fucked up this generation. It still astounds me that they thought all that bullshit would fly.
I love my Xbox but the fact that the awful reveal is still being felt years later is kinda incredible.
Sidenote: still bugs me that background music is still worse than it was on 360. All in One multimedia box my ass
I love my Xbox but the fact that the awful reveal is still being felt years later is kinda incredible.
Sidenote: still bugs me that background music is still worse than it was on 360. All in One multimedia box my ass
rokkerkory
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It's about 'concurrent' users and more $ spent per xbox over just # of x1s sold.
Still though they lagging behind.
Still though they lagging behind.
Wait, was anyone claiming 2:1? I thought you meant they were neck and neck.
That is pretty crazy. Although PS4 avoided $599 and RROD. It will be extremely interesting to how Switch and Scorpio play out this year. If early adopters on Scorpio are the people that bought Xbox One at launch, is that going to increase software spending? When XBone and PS4 came out, you had people buying software all year (BioShock, The Last of Us, Madden, GTA V, etc) and then buying more games with a new console. If this system plays the same games but with upgrades, what additional software will people be scrambling to buy with it? What is MS publishing later this year?
wapplew
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Sorry, none native English speaker here.
As long as western third party profitable publish on Xbox one, they are fine.
scoobs
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First impressions are super important. Consumers picked their side in that first year and stuck with it. Whomever wins the first year is probably winning the rest of them too.
closer than 2:1 doesn't make it relatively close... relatively closer I guess.
Still PS4 generating 50% more revenue for Ubisoft. Numbers are funny aren't they? When it's 50% more revenue, that's relatively close. When scorpio's GPU is ~40% more powerful than the pro, that's a trouncing.
Oh you...
GHG
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Early adopters tend to be trend setters. The mass market more often than not follows their lead.
"My friend/colleague xxxxx bought xxxxx console and he's a big gamer so he knows about this stuff. I'll get that console too so that I can play with him"
Then it snowballs.
This. After fifteen years they are back at a market entry strategy. That reflects poorly on the viability of going through everything again once more. One misstep as a hardware maker undoes all your investments.
hanspampel
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What the hell do I have to read here?
Back at market entry strategy? Jesus!
Humdinger
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Depends what the comparison point is. Turned it around compared to what it would have been, had they continued with the Mattrick-style reveal plan? Oh yeah (although I'm not sure how much Phil was responsible for the 180s himself).
Turned it around relative to how they were doing against Sony, early in this gen? No. There has been some positive momentum in the US/UK since the reveal of the Slim, but the overall trend isn't changing for the better. In fact, there is some indication that it is getting worse globally; the ratio by which Sony is outselling MS seems to have grown over time, albeit slightly.
I don't think that what you posted makes your point. The chart appears to reference publisher profits, not Xbox division profits. And although the tweets mention increasing XBL and game sales revenue, they also mention declining hardware sales, small margins, and slowing growth. I don't see anything that explicitly talks about overall profits or rising profits for the Xbox division.
Not that I'm saying Xbox isn't profitable. It probably is, especially if you add in XBL and all the money they get from games, streamed content, add-ons, etc. I just don't think that chart or those tweets make the case.
Samanosuke Akechi
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If it's Xbox two, won't that make it a really weak next gen system by the time ps5 launches?
It doesn't seem to be a great deal more powerful than the PS4 pro, and the pro is nothing to shout about.
Dayum. Yea so the whole consoles, gaming are on the decline discussions points to just really one company for that decline then.
I said it before you can either thank or blame Nintendo. If the Wii had stayed on course for Nintendo home consoles we wouldnt be having consoles are declining discussions. Or not as much because the decline wouldnt be so big.
I hope the Switch does good tho to put some folks mind at ease..... It should sell better than the Wii U due to the handheld side but then that leaves a question I asked before: does the Switch get counted as home console and handheld separately or only one? If only one which one?
hanspampel
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Microsoft is a game publisher. One that is even more invested in the games as a service, additional dlc and mtx business model, like the "big 4".
When you talk about the traditional console and AAA space, microsoft is the 5th biggest games publisher.
Every single quarter they report growing first party game sales.
And being also a platform holder is even better for profitability. Just have a look in the oculus / valve / Zen matix lawsuit topic. Great insight how valve values software and hardware
Samanosuke Akechi
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Mass Effect
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So definitely 2:1 now.
I think you're also missing the second point Zhuge is making here: they need to attract new users to their ecosystem to sustain growth.
If hardware continues to decline and they can't get people using their W10 store, it will eventually lead to stalled growth and eventual decline.
not at all. microsoft is making more money even with declining hardware sales
profits are also on the rise
you should have said relative software sales, or tie ratio
whenever you say something like that people here will mostly assume you talk about total and will call you crazy etc.
yeah Microsoft is doing fine on the software side. but smaller installbases tend to have higher software sales in general.
I think you're also missing the second point Zhuge is making here: they need to attract new users to their ecosystem to sustain growth.
If hardware continues to decline and they can't get people using their W10 store, it will eventually lead to stalled growth and eventual decline.
Crimson_Echidna
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Never say never, but 360 was definitely lightning in a bottle.
No different than what Nintendo has experienced over the last two decades. Sony has been surprisingly consistent in an up and down market. The fact that the PS3 survived the data breach and came back stronger is a testament to Sony's dedication to gaming and the strength of the Playstatipn brand. To a certain extent same can be said about MS'a RROD. People kept buying consoles even though the initial output had a high failure rate.
The Xbox One's launch was so ridiculously poor. They just failed to communicate their ideas in a way that didn't make them totally look anti-consumer. Any momentum they we're able to get with the 360 dissolved the second they started talking about online only and paying to borrow you're friends games.
joecanada
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Actually I appreciated 360 straightforward simple effective approach . Ignoring rrod because I was a late adopter I thought it had better ports, was pretty cheap, voicechat, etc.... I didn't regard it like my all in one media center like ps3 but it was a cheap functional system.
I thought ps4 stole alot of good ideas from that. A simple but effective straightforward device. It didn't have all the frills I would have paid for but it works.
I think Ms could go back to this and make an OK console but they're games and momentum are on a downward trend that will be exceptionally hard to recover from in the near future.
Bioshocker
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They'll never reach Xbox 360 levels obviously, and with the success the PS4 is having Xbox One will always look bad in comparison to both 360 and PS4. But it's still doing OK. Xbox One S seems to have helped a bit last year, and hopefully Scorpio can contribute in a similiar way when it launches.
What should concern Microsoft is how important franchises like Halo and Gears are selling less and less. They're not what they were 6-10 years ago, so MS really need new IP now.
Personally I still think 360 was a better platform, it seems unlikely that XB1 will ever reach that level of amazing new games. But I am using my XB1 more or less as my primary console for third parties, and that's mainly thanks to the amazing controller. And yeah, it's good for watching Blu-rays too since it's dead quiet.
What should concern Microsoft is how important franchises like Halo and Gears are selling less and less. They're not what they were 6-10 years ago, so MS really need new IP now.
Personally I still think 360 was a better platform, it seems unlikely that XB1 will ever reach that level of amazing new games. But I am using my XB1 more or less as my primary console for third parties, and that's mainly thanks to the amazing controller. And yeah, it's good for watching Blu-rays too since it's dead quiet.
There is always an opportunity to flip the script when you competitor makes a mistake. Xbox 360 became the natural upgrade path for tens of millions of PS2 owners in US/UK. Sony botched the price on PS3 for three years, and the people more invested in buying lots of third party games had an alternative. And then a bunch of those people went back to Sony after 2013 happened.
I am not sure what Scorpio's opening is though. Assuming even ultra modest sales growth this year, by 12/31/17, 35 million PS4 owners will only have purchased the system in the past two years. That is not even counting people who got it in 2014/2015 and expect to use it for five years. To me, the only way Sony fucks this up is by not having a full generational replacement for $399 by Fall 2019. Everything seems to be AMD from here on out, so b/c will allow them to provide an easy transition to PS4 owners.
I am not sure what Scorpio's opening is though. Assuming even ultra modest sales growth this year, by 12/31/17, 35 million PS4 owners will only have purchased the system in the past two years. That is not even counting people who got it in 2014/2015 and expect to use it for five years. To me, the only way Sony fucks this up is by not having a full generational replacement for $399 by Fall 2019. Everything seems to be AMD from here on out, so b/c will allow them to provide an easy transition to PS4 owners.
Mass Effect
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I'm not that surprised. When matrick showed up there was a definite change in the way Microsoft was doing Xbox. That guy is business cancer and has been sinking ships since. He should have never been hired.
Microsoft is doing quite good in the us, uk and Brazil. The pro isn't a hot seller so I don't think Scorpio will light up the charts either. Microsofts main issue and why the sales gap is 2:1 is because they've failed to appeal to European and Asian markets. I really don't know how they can fix that. Maybe it's time for a $199+ 10 games promo like they did with the original Xbox in Europe. The console is solid, it's just a matter of attracting the audeience
It would also be distant second without discounts.
TBiddy
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You might be right, you might be wrong. Only Sony and Microsoft knows. That doesn't change much though, since the real money is still in the games, services and accessories.
The main issue is that the brand awareness is really low. I mean, people have heard of the Xbox, but when they speak of consoles, it's the Playstation. There's nothing else. I can't see how Microsoft can change that, unless they'll do a firesale (like the one you mentioned) or Sony completely screws up the PS5.
Nothing you posted says anything about the overall profitability of the Xbox business. Nothing you posted gives you any absolute numbers at all. IT doesn't appear that you understand what you even posted.
Bitch Pudding
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What did I miss? Did MS announce some "crazy specs" in the meantime? I thought they were going for 6 TF?
Slightly boost sales? Sure. Turn the tide? Lol, nope.
By the time Scorpio comes out the PS4 Pro will probably be quite a bit cheaper. The Scorpio will sell to a select "hardcore" few that want better image quality, same as why people are buying the Pro. It's not going to be some sort of crazy game changer for MS that suddenly has them doubling Sony's numbers every NPD. I swear, the fan fiction surrounding the Scorpio is just silly at this point.
This. There's nothing "crazy" about 6 TF in late 2017. That's a fairly marginal upgrade over the PS4 Pro and about what you would expect for a midrange GPU at the end of the year. The more interesting upgrade will be the CPU, which should allow for more games running at 60 fps.
Caipirinha
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Side question: does the Switch need to sell as much or
More than the 3DS and Wii U combined to be considered a success for Nintendo's investors?
More than the 3DS and Wii U combined to be considered a success for Nintendo's investors?
PHOENIXZERO
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Well, they did effectively kill interest in the XBO for a lot of people with the Scorpio announcement at E3.
Surprised it's as close as it is in the US tbh.
MS, if only you didn't treat anything outside of the US like 2nd class citizens and maybe you wouldn't be beaten 100% by your competitor. Still though, good numbers.
MS, if only you didn't treat anything outside of the US like 2nd class citizens and maybe you wouldn't be beaten 100% by your competitor. Still though, good numbers.
Yeah, because the S didn't sell bucket loads /s
Maximus P
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I thought they won NPD for a few months after that announcement?
I think Microsofts biggest problem is breaking into countries in Europe outside of the UK. There are some countries in that sector that have shown great amounts of brand loyalty that were even making Sony dominant in the early life of the ps3/xbox 360.
And they still sold less consoles than past year without S...
Lagspike_exe
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What worries me about MS' ability to sustain growth is that their software lineup is looking very, very thin. Scorpio could do something about multiplatform, but only if its priced at $399. $499 is a much tougher sell.
And the issue here is that 3rd party exclusives used to fill up 1st party droughts are going to become more and more expensive for MS as PS4 advantage grows.
And the issue here is that 3rd party exclusives used to fill up 1st party droughts are going to become more and more expensive for MS as PS4 advantage grows.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
A new generation every ~4 years is acceptable.
And the leap is not enormous but fine (especially when you can sell it with 4k gaming).