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[LordKano]

Botw, mk8

That's not what the indie dev meant by mort. MK8DX is a remastered edition/deluxe edition/remake/whatever you want to qualify it, but he was talking about straight port, and third-party ones, more specifically.

BoTW isn't a port in any mean, it's a cross-gen release.

 

[EDarkness]

Well I mean we have heard from devs on gaf that Nintendo is being stingy as hell on dev kits and that they are telling people they don't want ports on the system right now. So unless you are pitching a new game and someone at Nintendo likes you there is little chance you are an approved developer right now. The question is how will this look next year.

It's not ports, but games that are interesting that will be coming out relatively soon. So it doesn't matter too much if it's a port, but what's interesting about the game and when it's coming out. I've been thinking about seeing if I can get a kit, but I'm not sure when my game is gonna be released. Fingers crossed for this year, but even that is no guarantee at this point. My understanding is that ports aren't a problem as long as there's something of value for the system in the port.

 

[Zafir]

Not surprising...

It's a new console which hasn't proven itself worthy of attention yet.

Needs a larger install base to garner interest.

Edit: Heh even worse, it's old news.

 

[Nosgotham]

Fuck! Now I can't enjoy my Switch. I guess I'll sell it .

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Are any of these companies making their investment back on VR?

Doubtful. Most of them are also likely getting money from the platform holders or investors though so I doubt they are going to be hurting from these games not selling

 

[RPG_Fanatic]

Oh, this is old and before the presentation where the floodgates opened. That makes the percentage pretty meaningless at this point.

 

[JPS Kai]

And 0% developing for 3DS/WiiU.

Would it be logical to assume everyone's starting to port their projects over onto the Switch?

 

[Kyari]

That lines up about with what I expect, a lot of GDC attendees are smaller/indie studios and its just far easier to develop for every other platform when game maker/unity/etc can export to them so easily.

 

[Wereroku]

It's not ports, but games that are interesting that will be coming out relatively soon. So it doesn't matter too much if it's a port, but what's interesting about the game and when it's coming out. I've been thinking about seeing if I can get a kit, but I'm not sure when my game is gonna be released. Fingers crossed for this year, but even that is no guarantee at this point. My understanding is that ports aren't a problem as long as there's something of value for the system in the port.

But who is going to add extra resources into a brand new system when they might still be working on other releases. Also several of the devs on gaf haven't even gotten replies Nintendo's communication with Indies is terrible unless you are a favorite apparently.

 

[Insane Metal]

Edit: nevermind.

Things don't look very bright for the Switch.

 

[TheSeks]

Is anyone really surprised?

The thing just came out xd

Handwaving away Nintendo's notorious awful third-party support since the N64, XD.

The bigger news here is that *NIX is getting 7% support. Maybe in a few years "YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP" will be finally true. Maybe.

 

[Speevy]

Good, this way they will make more games for actual consoles.

Like the Apple TV?

 

[la_briola]

Most indies develop for mac too, so probably not.

Most do for Linux too and its a separate category.

 

[Speevy]

There was seriously a time during about 1996-2005 when friends of Nintendo said "Okay, we have to try something to put some games on their machine. Come on guys."

Some companies even tried it again with the Wii after it took off.

Companies like Capcom, Konami, Square-Enix (Eidos), EA, and others have given Nintendo chance after chance to show results from their titles.

It's like buying an expired lottery ticket or playing a broken slot machine. There's nothing to be gained.

 

[EDarkness]

But who is going to add extra resources into a brand new system when they might still be working on other releases. Also several of the devs on gaf haven't even gotten replies Nintendo's communication with Indies is terrible unless you are a favorite apparently.

Who? Those who really want to work on the platform. Maybe Nintendo is being too restrictive, but that's the situation we're at now. I agree that their communication has been lackluster these days, but it was explained to me by a rep at the company that they have been extremely busy with the launch and recent events going on so some things are falling through the cracks. I had a different problem and couldn't get any assistance, but they did get back to me a few days ago after over a month of nothing.

 

[Savitar]

Not positive but considering the numbers don't exactly reflect positively for a lot of things there either so it's one of those things I take with a grain of salt.

 

[cws]

We just had Nintendo showcasing +50 indie titles for Switch with more following as soon as they can satisfy the demand for dev-kits. Thats more telling than some % on an old chart prior to the systems launch.

 

[jon bones]

I'm not sure what the point of revisiting these numbers every month or so is - shouldn't we wait til GDC 2018?

At that point, dev kits will be more available and Nintendo's carefully scheduled releases through Christmas will be through.

 

[jonno394]

Not surprising and not great but as long as they're great quality 3% then it's at least something.

 

[Speevy]

I'm not sure what the point of revisiting these numbers every month or so is - shouldn't we wait til GDC 2018?

At that point, dev kits will be more available and Nintendo's carefully scheduled releases through Christmas will be through.

No, we should take it as a clear sign that a company with a graveyard of third party support beyond shovelware for 4 generations still has the same problem.

How many years would it take you to know that people are working on PS4 games? You could have asked last year, the year before, the year before that. The answer would have been the same. Lots.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I'm sure that percentage has gone up since then.

 

[kitchenmotors]

There was seriously a time during about 1996-2005 when friends of Nintendo said "Okay, we have to try something to put some games on their machine. Come on guys."

Some companies even tried it again with the Wii after it took off.

Companies like Capcom, Konami, Square-Enix (Eidos), EA, and others have given Nintendo chance after chance to show results from their titles.

It's like buying an expired lottery ticket or playing a broken slot machine. There's nothing to be gained.

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit.

These companies giving Nintendo a "chance" have completely sabotaged their own products or chances when they put out shit or late ports to Nintendo hardware.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

The real surprise is the vr headsets being ahead of the xbox

 

[jts]

No, we should take it as a clear sign that a company with a graveyard of third party support beyond shovelware for 4 generations still has the same problem.

How many years would it take you to know that people are working on PS4 games? You could have asked last year, the year before, the year before that. The answer would have been the same. Lots.

That's simply confirmation bias. The context is never irrelevant, regardless of strength of historical data.

 

[Speevy]

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit.

These companies giving Nintendo a "chance" have completely sabotaged their own products or chances when they put out shit or late ports to Nintendo hardware.

Any investment is a risk. Show me any data that shows where and how there are lucrative inroads to releasing third party games on Nintendo consoles as opposed to virtually any other platform.

 

[bomblord1]

*In January

 

[Soph]

Old news and debated profusely already.

 

[jon bones]

No, we should take it as a clear sign that a company with a graveyard of third party support beyond shovelware for 4 generations still has the same problem.

How many years would it take you to know that people are working on PS4 games? You could have asked last year, the year before, the year before that. The answer would have been the same. Lots.

Yeah, I don't care. I built a top of the line PC, that's clearly the only system worth owning for AAA third party games.

Nintendo first parties & portable versions of the most popular indies on a premium handheld is the perfect complement and is a good value proposition for the device. Improved sales projections indicate millions of others feel the same way - so it appears the market doesn't care either.

 

[Anarky]

This is from before the presentation and has already been posted

 

[Kebiinu]

Can we not debate this old ass survey? It's been done.

 

[killroy87]

So the survey took place before GDC, which took place before the Switch released, so this would be a survey of devs who are making Switch games pre-launch with Dev kits?

Yeah, this isn't news.

 

[Speevy]

That's simply confirmation bias. The context is never irrelevant, regardless of strength of historical data.

Nintendo's vision for genres do not support current trends..

Nintendo's infrastructure for online multiplayer or digitally delivered services do not support current trends.

Nintendo's infrastructure for new tech (VR) do not support current trends.

Nintendo's hardware does not have the processing power for modern games.

Nintendo hasn't invested the money to get these titles on the platform.

This isn't confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is when you want so badly to believe something that you skew the facts. These facts are true now, not yesterday.

 

[Vinnk]

I responded to this the first time it was posted back in JANUARY.

Now if the situation is STILL at 3% then this is indeed a problem. But I can't believe that now after launch it is still at 3%.

I am not sure how useful it is drudging up old doomed articles. But have at it I guess. I'm out of this one.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Pretty sure this chart has been posted a couple of times already in the last weeks.

Edit:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1333096&highlight=gdc+switch

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1344886&highlight=gdc+switch

Lol

 

[killroy87]

Now if the situation is STILL at 3% then this is indeed a problem. But I can't believe that now after launch it is still at 3%.

Not even. The industry doesn't move that fast. If this is still the situation in the summer/fall, THEN that's a problem

 

[LordOfChaos]

Wish the survey separated out Wintel PCs and Macs, would be curious.

Metal was a fine idea to port over iOS games, but with mac gamers being a small market, few AAA games are going to use that API. Wish Apple added Vulkan, and updated the damn OpenGL driver that's 5 years old.

Also wow, at more devs targetting Apple TV than Switch. I wish Apple gave that more bleeding edge A series SoCs, that could be a nice little microconsole.

 

[LordRaptor]

This isn't confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is when you want so badly to believe something that you skew the facts. These facts are true now, not yesterday.

and yet...

Nintendo's vision for genres do not support current trends..

...the switch launched with an open world action title with season pass dlc, and their next upcoming biggest titles are a last gen HD remaster and an online multiplayer shooter.

trends you would never see elsewhere, obviously.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Shocking, I know.

 

[Maxrunner]

The fact that the console sold well at launch and we're not hearing regrets from some devs for not having something for it is a bit alarming. I mean even Capcom and Ubi didn't have anything decent for it.

 

[ArtHands]

So now we are reposting this outdated survey every month now? This is rather desperation to reuse old material.

 

[GDGF]

We know what's on the horizon at least. They seem to be doing a fine job so far.

 

[Labombadog]

Nintendo doomed. Once again.

 

[jts]

Nintendo's vision for genres do not support current trends..

Nintendo's infrastructure for online multiplayer or digitally delivered services do not support current trends.

Nintendo's infrastructure for new tech (VR) do not support current trends.

Nintendo's hardware does not have the processing power for modern games.

Nintendo hasn't invested the money to get these titles on the platform.

This isn't confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is when you want so badly to believe something that you skew the facts. These facts are true now, not yesterday.

You know, that seems like quite the heavy investment on such a narrative.

The bottom line is that if the system shows promise and sells, there will be 3rd party games. Not GTA, not the best FIFA, not the best CoD, but just like there was 3rd parties on the Wii, there will be on the Switch.

There's a class of games that will keep being exclusive to the PC/Xbox/PS (which people are likely to own one of). Just like Nintendo games will keep being exclusive to Nintendo systems. Which Nintendo hopes people can also own one of.

 

[Speevy]

and yet...

...the switch launched with an open world action title with season pass dlc, and their next upcoming biggest titles are a last gen HD remaster and an online multiplayer shooter.

trends you would never see elsewhere, obviously.

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is buoyed almost entirely by its legacy and does not represent a shift in Nintendo's core philosophy. You might have a point if other companies started releasing grand open world games with swords and puzzles, but they recognize as you and I do that Zelda is anomaly. It is an event. A titan among franchises. There has never been a tentpole title like Zelda, and no company can just release a similar game by any other name with the same quality and expect similar sales. It's a name and a company that pours all their heart and soul into that name. That's not a trend. It's a huge exception.

Also, as has been shown time and time again, companies that try to emulate Nintendo's success on Nintendo 3D consoles with "Nintendo-like" games almost always fail.

Also, I'm not sure which multiplayer shooter you're talking about, but if it doesn't play similarly to Overwatch or Call of Duty or whatever, no one is paying attention to it or buying it. It's harsh but true.

 

[Jedi2016]

Too early to tell. They're in that limbo area where no one will make games for it because there aren't enough people buying the system, and no one will buy the system because there aren't enough games for it. Give it a year.

 

[Speevy]

We know what's on the horizon at least. They seem to be doing a fine job so far.

That looks like a few amazing, spectacular Humble bundles.

It should scare you.

 

[Unknown?]

The real surprise is the vr headsets being ahead of the xbox

Hahaha that one got me too!

 

[GDGF]

That looks like a few amazing, spectacular Humble bundles.

It should scare you.

Good looking games should scare me? You're being kind of ridiculous now, Speevy.

 

[LordRaptor]

Hahaha that one got me too!

its an indie developer conference, VR was hot(ter) when this report was made, and xbox policies have alienated many indies

Zelda is anomaly. It is an event. A titan among franchises. There has never been a tentpole title like Zelda

okay bro.
You seem like an expert, I won't argue with you.

 

[RichiRamjag]

That looks like a few amazing, spectacular Humble bundles.

It should scare you.

Oh give it a rest. The doom and gloom narrative is getting played out.