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Gearbox Artist trashes Dragons Crown art style
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NoirVisage
Banned
Ms Hamm
Seriously, that's in game, it's not fanart or anything.
Go home Gearbox, you're drunk.
sublimit
Banned
Usually the people like her who are too eager to attack other people's work (without even offering constructive criticism) are the ones who don't accept criticism in their work.
I hope she's an exception though.
The reason people are mentioning the company she works for is, well, because she works there, and as a result she makes money from that company.
When she complains about someones sexualized art, when she is part of a company that makes *MAINSTREAM* games with this kind of art, and even more offensive stuff, it becomes a blatant act of hypocrisy.
If she was truly against it, she wouldn't work at a company that produces similar, or worse, art in mainstream games that is intended for a much larger audience.
When she complains about someones sexualized art, when she is part of a company that makes *MAINSTREAM* games with this kind of art, and even more offensive stuff, it becomes a blatant act of hypocrisy.
If she was truly against it, she wouldn't work at a company that produces similar, or worse, art in mainstream games that is intended for a much larger audience.
Given that there are a multitude of references to art history apparent many of the designs in Dragon's Crown and previous works not limited to just goddesses, I would say it's not much of a stretch at all.
NoirVisage
Banned
Duke Nuke'em gets a pass because A) MMeriika! B)Paycheck
HoodWinked
Member
its futile to try to change her opinion people will generally stand by their ludicrous contradictory comments.
all that's left is for the collective community to realize that shes just an idiot that fails to realize anything outside the immediate making snap judgement based on superficial points.
all that's left is for the collective community to realize that shes just an idiot that fails to realize anything outside the immediate making snap judgement based on superficial points.
You know...I'm starting to worry we judged Bob just that tiny bit too harshly (probably not) - there is the SLIGHT chance he was referring to her femininity. (in that photo - but then again dragon's crown is a beatemup so).
So what if it even is? That won't justify shit to the people who seem to care about this. Fertility Idols are the definition of sexualized. That doesn't suddenly give the Sorceress a good reason to have enormous breasts and hips. It is the what it is, the game doesn't need to justify anything anything. People need to stop vehemently defending this, people will always have their opinions.
Female warriors in fantasy settings have always been depicted as beautiful scantily clad Amazons. This is nothing new. So, she has big breasts. Are we really that threatened by large breasts. You would think there are no women in the world above a b-cup.
My opinion on this matter is this - if an artist wants to draw a female character with a well developed chest, it is his right as an artist to do so. I don't have to like it, but I have no right to tell him he must change it.
Frank Frazetta was one of the greatest fantasy artists ever. Maybe we should start censoring his works as well.
IdreamofHIME
Member
She looks like the comedian that sometimes has weird cameos in 30rock....and I have no idea what her name is. From the Debbie Downer gif that's way over used.
NoirVisage
Banned
Frank F. Love that mans work.Female warriors in fantasy settings have always been depicted as beautiful scantily clad Amazons. This is nothing new. So, she has big breasts. Are we really that threatened by large breasts. You would think there are no women in the world above a b-cup.
My opinion on this matter is this - if an artist wants to draw a female character with a well developed chest, it is his right as an artist to do so. I don't have to like it, but I have no right to tell him he must change it.
Frank Frazetta was one of the greatest fantasy artists ever. Maybe we should start censoring his works as well.
Female warriors in fantasy settings have always been depicted as beautiful scantily clad Amazons. This is nothing new. So, she has big breasts. Are we really that threatened by large breasts. You would think there are no women in the world above a b-cup.
My opinion on this matter is this - if an artist wants to draw a female character with a well developed chest, it is his right as an artist to do so. I don't have to like it, but I have no right to tell him he must change it.
Frank Frazetta was one of the greatest fantasy artists ever. Maybe we should start censoring his works as well.
The scantily clad beefy Aamzon must be a fucking trope by now. I agree with you.
The only party that comes out of this looking cool is the Dragon's Crown artist. His response was funny, it acknowledged the issue respectfully, and he looks like a grown ass man responding to some juvenile industry navel gazing. Everyone else, from Kotaku to the fired up commentators to the industry talking heads look like hyperbolic nerds.
Best.comeback.ever
About the game, wow newsflash guise! a japanese game with ridiculous character design! I can't believe it!
I'm not being apologetic, merely pointing out that as design goes this is fairly typical for japanese games, and really that will be the main market for that title so that's why.
Rachel Dratch?
I have no idea, I've never seen 30 Rock.
EDIT: Your edit confirms Rachel Dratch.
NoirVisage
Banned
Lee Chaolan
Member
Ha.
I, too completely forgot about this game. There's been so much publicity about it now with all of this, I'm going to get one too.
No, it gets called out over in OT too.
dude..
nothing..
I've always thought it asinine and will continue to mock this shit from the ramparts.
AdventureRacing
Member
I'm not sure that makes it any better.
rain elbows
Member
Playing catchup on the thread, but it seems the point she was trying to make was that the sexualized character designs will put women off to this game, and gaming altogether as a hobby.
My wife doesn't play games, so I showed her the sorceress character. Her response was as follows:
"Cool, what type of magic can she do?"
So then I explained to her the controversey and what this Gearbox artist had to say. Her response was as follows:
"It's a fantasy game, I mean, putting aside that an artist is bashing someone else's art, I have more of a problem with someone generalizing all women to say we would or should be offended by it. Also its art, so you are telling others they shouldn't appreciate it because you're projecting some meaning that's not there. It's messed up. Did it get cancelled?"
Me: No
Wife: "Good, it's a stupid argument."
My wife doesn't play games, so I showed her the sorceress character. Her response was as follows:
"Cool, what type of magic can she do?"
So then I explained to her the controversey and what this Gearbox artist had to say. Her response was as follows:
"It's a fantasy game, I mean, putting aside that an artist is bashing someone else's art, I have more of a problem with someone generalizing all women to say we would or should be offended by it. Also its art, so you are telling others they shouldn't appreciate it because you're projecting some meaning that's not there. It's messed up. Did it get cancelled?"
Me: No
Wife: "Good, it's a stupid argument."
^ Awesome.
Yeah, you're right.
It's slightly less insulting to criticize or point out specifically her modesty (if that's even right) than purely her looks though - if that was what he was doing...which seems unlikely. - but yeah not by much.
Femininity was the wrong word I think, since the characters aren't anyway, it doesn't make sense. Also discussing this is probably a bit insulting too. My bad. But still.
Yeah, you're right.
It's slightly less insulting to criticize or point out specifically her modesty (if that's even right) than purely her looks though - if that was what he was doing...which seems unlikely. - but yeah not by much.
Femininity was the wrong word I think, since the characters aren't anyway, it doesn't make sense. Also discussing this is probably a bit insulting too. My bad. But still.
NoirVisage
Banned
Vehemently?
SonicBoomX
Banned
That's a keeper!
Your wife seems fairly rational. Thumbs up.
If you're trying to make a point please express it with your words. No idea what you're even trying to convey to me.
The scantily clad beefy Aamzon must be a fucking trope by now. I agree with you.
I personally like a little variety in game artwork. If a game is released with an artstyle I don't care for, I may not play the game. What I will not do is find myself a soapbox to climb on to complain about how the art in that game has ruined my life and must be changed.
I like the artstyle of DC. It reminds me of reading old issues of Heavy Metal back in the day. Do I think real women look like this? No, I don't. But this is a fantasy game, these are not real women or men for that matter.
When was the last itme you saw a guy that looked like this? This is an exaggerated expression of the male form, yet no one is raging about this.
NoirVisage
Banned
Of course you wouldn't.
I'll leave it at that.
In more ways than one!
Okay not going to explain yourself? KK then, I'll continue to just shake my head in confusion.
ComputerMKII
Banned
If you don't like it, don't put other people off it.
NoirVisage
Banned
meltingparappa
Member
No True Scotsman is the best of all logical fallacies. Good on your wife for catching that immediately.
reposting this:
The consistency in his work is pretty cool. The guys work isn't just about hypersexualized women.
Exactly. The entire art style is over the top. People simply focus on the female characters.
Cheers to her. I'd begun to forget what a rational response looked like.
Moral Panic
Member
Not surprised at this response all. It became pretty clear pretty quickly that some people will do anything to silence anyone that dares say anything to criticise their precious oversexualised females characters.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Here's the digest version of the debate:PSY・S;56463796 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLumK87nGxE