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Gearbox talks Aliens: Colonial Marines on Wii U
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Trunchisholm
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Kaijima said:
Pigeonholing people just is fun, I guess.
I personally love that they're trying new things with the controller, but that doesn't mean that quite a few third-party developers won't fall into the gimmick trap. The controller has a ton of potential, and I'm sure Nintendo will make the best of it. As for third-party developers, I'm fairly sceptical. This actually sounds like a really good idea, but the implementation will be key here. I hope they make it work, because Nintendo has done a great job at having an incredibly flexible approach to controls.
mr_nothin said:
Works fine with the concepts in this game. For other games, say, pressing on items(touch screen) would be no different then pressing a button without looking down. It'll get memorized. I rarely look at the bottom DS screen once I learn the placement. It all comes down to practical implimentation with each game. Some ideas work well for certain games, some don't.
DefectiveReject
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I can't wait to build a custom GUI on this thing and zoom in on objects 124miles away, in full clarity.
Lol
Immersion is cool
Lol
Immersion is cool
Kaijima said:
Aside from the fact this is of course, totally correct, the people calling this out as bad make even less sense when you realise that this is exactly what happens in the Aliens films
Everything goes dark, and the only things these marines have to use IS their motion scanners, which only work by sweeping them across their lines of sight. How is re-creating an iconic part of a film series imagery a bad thing?
Seriously some people give the impression that they're so attached to playing games "properly" that they've actually forgotten about arcade gaming, or more worryingly, will reject any decent thinking by devs that makes them have to do anything other than stare at their screen while sitting motionless with a controller. Using the "gimmick" card appears to be a catch all for rejecting these sorts of ideas, and I hope such attitudes doesn't discourage actual enhancements to gaming experiences as a whole.
mr_nothin said:
Not being able to focus on both at the same time is kinda of the point. It adds to the experience. To quickly check both screens you have to use time management. You should still have the sound of the detector but you have to look to see the direction. Aliens should have that horror element to it and not being able to look at the screen 100% of the time adds to that.
Kaijima said:
The ideal is to have the best gameplay. Refinement is always preferrable to gimmicks because typically gimmicks are massively flawed experiments that exist for the sole purpose of entertaining the ADHD set, generally a crowd of game-hating extremists who enter only to tickle their dick for a few moments while moving on to the next ultra flawed gimmick.
These are developers whose ideal is not "good gameplay." It is to perform a host of circus parlor tricks for those who have the attention span of a gnat.
Sorry, but that argument is utterly flawed, and I'm afraid, applies to someone who rejects such ideas, rather than those accepting them.Amir0x said:
I say this again, how is faithfully recreating a system used in the Aliens film series in any way worse than having to fudge the effect by putting it on the main screen,effectively making your eyes a motion scanner? There's "good" gameplay, and there's people wanting to be as lazy as possible, and trying to accuse people who enjoy a sensory experience that isn't just limited to what's happening on a TV as having ADHD is flawed at best, and insulting at worst.
Let me ask you something, do you see no potential at all for the Wii U (And, intriguingly, the PS3 + PS Vita) as a way to enhance the overall gaming experience? I was thinking earlier that such a screen would be perfect for war games like MW3 and BF3. In the MW3 demo we seen a soldier access a laptop to control a rocket launcher used to destroy a helicopter. Something like this would be far more effective using the Wii U screen or PS Vita than dragging you completely away from the battle by utilizing the main screen only.
There's are multiple possibilities for this tech, and nearly all of them, as long as they;re done well, can work. I'm not sure about you, but last time I checked, I can focus on one thing while keeping others in mind. When I'm at work I work in front of a PC screen, yet somehow I'm not a zombie to the outside world, and I am able to react to colleagues and things happening outside of my field of focus. This utilizes the same principal, you focus on the TV, but use your subconscious to keep watch of the Wii U screen and if that demands your attention, you deal with it. If gamers reject the idea of having to think of more than one thing at once, god help them, frankly.
BruceLeeRoy
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Have there been any gameplay vids of this yet?
Stop It said:
Personally, its more of an accuracy, is it quicker and more accurate to use a keyboard and mouse or dual analogue controls over pointer controls?If they are why would I ever want to play a game with pointer controls. Same with if we go way back to a melee focused game is it quicker to hit a button/wave a remote/flail a limb to do an action. I want new experiences! Not existing genres or exisitng IPs with shoehoned WiiTab screen funky-ness. If Gearbox and other developers allow me to shit down play it using the WiiTab have all the UI on the screen, options for people to use the optional motion controls and optional screen controls. I'll be happy because I'll be able to enjoy the game and relax with it. Its all about choices.
Zoramon089
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Linkified said:
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Deleted member 81567
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It will be day one or not once the pricing is revealed. Might as well get it on the 360. I might get the WiiU for exclusives though so I'm looking forward to that.
The motion sensor is great but.......
Can't there be a motion sensor in the lower corner of the screen doing the exact same thing (and on most tvs it will be the same size as the pad)?
Or it can easily be hit a trigger and it pops up in the corner and hit it again and it goes back to your side but you can still hear it beeping.
You do not have to have a pad for this and it is just as effective and more functional.
I think it will be fun but people are acting like it will bring something that no other version will have.
When I see it in action perhaps I will see it differently.
Can't there be a motion sensor in the lower corner of the screen doing the exact same thing (and on most tvs it will be the same size as the pad)?
Or it can easily be hit a trigger and it pops up in the corner and hit it again and it goes back to your side but you can still hear it beeping.
You do not have to have a pad for this and it is just as effective and more functional.
I think it will be fun but people are acting like it will bring something that no other version will have.
When I see it in action perhaps I will see it differently.
Zoramon089
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Hex said:
What's allowing you to aim that motion sensor independently of the gun and your movement like the pad is? You only have 2 sticks...
Amir0x said:
This is true. Focusing on gameplay is ideal. Unfortunately, most developers are mainly focused more on more realistic graphics, cinematics and immersion, all of which have very little to do with player control and less on gameplay. At least using the Wii U tablet as a motion sensor actually affects gameplay and allows the player to INTERACT with the game's environment.
ChoklitReign
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Do wantMr. Snrub said:
BruceLeeRoy said:
There was a bit of gameplay video in the 3rd party montage at the end of the Nintendo event:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-nintendo/715587
Aliens starts at about 8:26.
ArachosiA 78
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Raide said:It certainly sounds like a cool aspect of the game and I cannot wait to try it out. Sounds like it could add a nice extra aspect to the game. The sad thing is, by the time the Wii U comes out, most people would have already played the game to death on other consoles.
If they use the remote for some of the mini-games and hacking/programming turrets etc, that would also be really cool. It would help doing objectives and still keeping an eye out for enemies.
Although I would rank this game as my most anticipated game for the foreseeable future (Aliens is by far my favorite movie ever), I might actually wait until it comes out for WiiU, because it sounds like it could be quite a but cooler than the 360/PS3 versions.
plagiarize
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this is not that. this is more faithfully recreating a famous scene from a film. this isn't aimed at ADHD game hating extremists.Amir0x said:
this is aimed at fans of the movie Aliens, who want to play a game that as much as possible makes them feel like they're really in the film. this will make them feel more like they are in the film.
only someone ignorant of how the motion scanner works in the films (both as a device for building tension and as a fictional piece of equipment) would complain about it being represented in this fashion.
plagiarize
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it was just a quick mock up. only the marine by the doorway is moving. the other marine and the other alien are standing perfectly still.Uchip said:flip the radar
the alien is on the right
problem solved
remember, it only detects movement, and it can't tell a hamster from a human from an alien.Foxy Fox 39
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You freaking genius.Jangocube said:
plagiarize
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There could be that and there will be that in other versions of the game, but it is missing the point of the motion scanner to a degree and furthermore isn't representative of the device in the film.Hex said:
They could do lots of things that would be more effective than the motion scanner in terms of something that pin points the location of your enemies. They could mark them on the HUD whether you can see them or not or have a device that doesn't only show movement infront of you or have a device that only pinpoints aliens rather than any movement.
All those things would give the player better feedback on where the aliens were but it isn't what the motion scanner is meant to achieve.
The motion scanner is meant to make the game scarier while at the same time providing just enough useful information that you are glad to have it, even as it keeps giving you false positives and works to raise the tension as much as possible.
That is what it is for. Not a gameplay mechanic but a tension building one, and this would better realize that, while simultaneously staying truer to the source material.
plagiarize said:
the hell does that even mean?
sounds like this is going to be the best thing since sliced bread then. no convincing you otherwise. you WILL be IN the movie!!!
yeesh. yeah no possible way this could turn out to be a gimmick. its obviously for true fans of Aliens only.
plagiarize
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That is how amirox described people who would like this. You'd have to ask him what he meant by it.Daigoro said:
I don't know if the game will be good or not. I don't know if the game will only appeal to people who like the film.
I can't talk about the quality of a game that isn't out yet, but I can factually state that what some people are claiming is just a gimmick us in fact something from the films being realized in a way more accurate to the films than it is on the other versions.
Why wouldn't fans of the film be excited by that? Who wouldn't want the weapons to perform as they do in the films? Who wouldn't want the aliens to act like they do in the films? Who wouldn't want the motion scanner to work like it does in the films?
This is a horror game. The motion scanner is meant to make it scary. This would do that and simultaneously better reflect the tech in the films. That is win win.
If you want a souped up motion detector that isn't like the one in the films and that isn't as scary then why would you want this game?
That confuses me.
gameplay is everything in a lot of games but not in a horror game where atmosphere is equally if not more important. This clearly increases the atmosphere. This is clearly true to the franchise so how is it a gimmick, let alone being JUST a gimmick?
ok. i must not have seen the comment of his that you were referring to. didnt make sense out of context.
im not saying it wont be well done, but people are kind of attacking folks who are suggesting that it might not turn out as great as it sounds. it is certainly within the realm of possibility that this could turn out to be just a gimmick. its also possible that it will turn out very cool and enhance the game.
the original article piece that was quoted did kind of make it sound like you would be swiveling in your seat trying to get a read on the tracker. the way i read it anyways.
it sounds great in theory, but in practice it could be superfluous. personally i hope it turns out great, but im not sold just yet.
(sorry if i jumped down your throat there.)
im not saying it wont be well done, but people are kind of attacking folks who are suggesting that it might not turn out as great as it sounds. it is certainly within the realm of possibility that this could turn out to be just a gimmick. its also possible that it will turn out very cool and enhance the game.
the original article piece that was quoted did kind of make it sound like you would be swiveling in your seat trying to get a read on the tracker. the way i read it anyways.
it sounds great in theory, but in practice it could be superfluous. personally i hope it turns out great, but im not sold just yet.
(sorry if i jumped down your throat there.)
Leonsito said:
Do you think it will though? For all we know one of the big 3 could bribe devs into excluding this sort of support because 'another' console can't do it at all. I am pretty sure a certain company did this a year or two ago with a game whose name escapes me.
Regardless, I'll be keeping my eye out for this title. I am really hoping it's a lot better than last years AvP that's for sure.
It's odd how things have changed. Used to be Wii folks argued for 'gameplay over immersion,' or that 'gameplay equals immersion in some sense,' while those who hated the Wii said that the graphics and controls ruined immersion for them.
Now we have a system that is able to potentially enhance immersion by doing something that totally makes sense within the confines of the game, and yet people don't like it because it might not be as 'efficient' irrespective of the game's themes or environment.
This isn't really a criticism of anyone, to be honest - it's just a strange side-effect of what is happening.
FWIW: I love that the WU's controller screen is going to be the motion tracker. That is spectacularly great and should really add to the tension and horror of the game's theme.
Now we have a system that is able to potentially enhance immersion by doing something that totally makes sense within the confines of the game, and yet people don't like it because it might not be as 'efficient' irrespective of the game's themes or environment.
This isn't really a criticism of anyone, to be honest - it's just a strange side-effect of what is happening.
FWIW: I love that the WU's controller screen is going to be the motion tracker. That is spectacularly great and should really add to the tension and horror of the game's theme.
Sounds like developers already have a much better handle on how they can use this new controller than they did with the Wiimote. And we're all better off for it.
And Aliens fans laying the smackdown to "gimmick" trolls is EPIC. I see the opportunity to use this for great tension-building effect.
And Aliens fans laying the smackdown to "gimmick" trolls is EPIC. I see the opportunity to use this for great tension-building effect.