Gears of War 4 Beta |OT| Hello Chainsaw My Old Friend, I've Come To Rev You Up Again

BigTnaples

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gears 1 still looks so much better than the others. i don't understand why they don't go back to that look


Eh, I think Gears 3 looks the best, Gears 1 a close second, Gears 2 last.

UE is rough the first few hours, but starts to shine later on. Do like the darker, more horrific tone of it all.


But Gears 3 is just so damned nice looking, and it's got a smoothness and a cohesiveness that most games never touch. Even a gen later.
 

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Gears 1 and 2 has darker and more serious atmosphere which is absent in 3 and Judgement..Gears 4 looks even more colourful and childish than 3..I am not fan of that..
 

BigTnaples

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Gears 1 and 2 has darker and more serious atmosphere which is absent in 3 and Judgement..Gears 4 looks even more colourful and childish than 3..I am not fan of that..

I mean, I'm all for the darker atmosphere, but colorful=childish? Really?
 

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I mean, I'm all for the darker atmosphere, but colorful=childish? Really?
Characters look more childish to me..Look at Marcus ,Cole ,Baird , Carmine , Dom etc in Trilogy and compare them with new characters especially girls..They look like teenagers compared to original characters..They are also thinner and lighter..I don't like that at all..
 

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Characters look more childish to me..Look at Marcus ,Cole ,Baird , Carmine , Dom etc in Trilogy and compare them with new characters especially girls..They look like teenagers compared to original characters..They are also thinner and lighter..I don't like that at all..
They look less cartoonish in Gears 4 than in previous games. But I guess looking more like an actual human being means it's more childish. Makes sense.
 

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They look less cartoonish in Gears 4 than in previous games. But I guess looking more like an actual human being means it's more childish. Makes sense.
I can see where he is coming from. Their ridiculous proportions was a charming aspect of the games. I loved that they all look like super mutant linebacker(Cole is GOAT)

The new cast looks like a dev chasing the Abercrombie crowd

Are you using a 1080p monitor/TV? Because there's a stark difference between Gears 3 and 4.
Yeah I'm on my monitor. I'm really not seeing a big difference. Course it might be readily apparent in motion
 

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Geez, this game. I'm either totally stomping the other team for a few matches or I'm getting completely wrecked repeatedly. So far I'm digging it, though. It's just more Gears, which is good imo. I'd like to see a smaller map or two. Hopefully I can get a chance to try the drop shot. Haven't picked it up yet.
 

BigTnaples

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Are you using a 1080p monitor/TV? Because there's a stark difference between Gears 3 and 4.

65inch 4K here.


I'm in the Gears 3 final looks more appealing than Gears 4 Alpha/Beta crowd.


The lighting looks better, atmospherics, and despite probably using less triangles, appears to have more varied and complex geometry.
 

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are you really doing this? at least wait until the game is out and you've seen more than 3 maps from a beta.
 

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I can see where he is coming from. Their ridiculous proportions was a charming aspect of the games. I loved that they all look like super mutant linebacker(Cole is GOAT)

The new cast looks like a dev chasing the Abercrombie crowd
Agree with this. Gears 1 and its characters had an amazing charm to them. Huge, disproportionate dudes that were brimming with charisma (all different types). So what if it wasn't realistic. It had its own style.

These newer characters and skins just look like your generic build-a-soldier in some cog garb. Meh.
 

BigTnaples

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are you really doing this? at least wait until the game is out and you've seen more than 3 maps from a beta.
Even then, gears 3 doesn't look better than the beta.

I'm all for waiting until it improves, but the beta is for feedback, both in gameplay, and graphics/Performance.


Right now, feedback of the graphics are that they need work. They are not good enough yet, whether by design/incomplete, or because of the 60fps sacrifice.

Gears 3 completed, looks way more polished and visually appealing than the beta. Despite it having some advantages, like Resolution/SSR/55fps etc.

I am a graphics whore, who has doubled dipped on a on of games this gen, full price, solely to play the games at higher resolution.

That said, despite the gap in resolution and Framerate, Gears 3 still impresses. Gears 4 isn't there yet. We hope it gets there, thus are providing feedback to that effect.

We understand the game isn't done.
 

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I'm all for waiting until it improves, but the beta is for feedback, both in gameplay, and graphics/Performance.


Right now, feedback of the graphics are that they need work. They are not good enough yet, whether by design/incomplete, or because of the 60fps sacrifice.

Gears 3 completed, looks way more polished and visually appealing than the beta. Despite it having some advantages, like Resolution/SSR/55fps etc.

I am a graphics whore, who has doubled dipped on a on of games this gen, full price, solely to play the games at higher resolution.

That said, despite the gap in resolution and Framerate, Gears 3 still impresses. Gears 4 isn't there yet. We hope it gets there, thus are providing feedback to that effect.

We understand the game isn't done.
Did I miss something? When did the coalition say that in this beta/alpha, they were looking for feedback on graphics?
 

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Anyone notice the hammerburst sound getting ridiculously loud and echo-y the more you shoot it?? Like it's gonna blow my speakers loud!! I can hear the hammerburst clearly from across map, its that loud!

I hear the retro lancer is being brought back?? God, why? Why bring the most op and broken gun back and nerf the hammer burst like this? Everyone I've played with so far has complained that the hammer burst needs to go back to the way it was in gears 3.

Graphic and other minor issues aside I am fn impressed on how well the game plays. Final game should be gears 3 level of smoothness and fun if this beta is anything to go by. Well done Coalition, well done. I was HIGHLY skeptical after the Judgement multiplayer fiasco and I am glad to be proven wrong.
 

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Did I miss something? When did the coalition say that in this beta/alpha, they were looking for feedback on graphics?
if you go to their site, you can sign for their feedback program. They are also accepting feedback in the official forums.
 

BigTnaples

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Did I miss something? When did the coalition say that in this beta/alpha, they were looking for feedback on graphics?


Did I miss something? When did they say they don't? Every beta/alpha I've ever been a part of has welcomed any constructive feedback, whether it be about network issues, glitches, graphical issues, performance issues, UI problems, etc.
 

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Did I miss something? When did they say they don't? Every beta/alpha I've ever been a part of has welcomed any constructive feedback, whether it be about network issues, glitches, graphical issues, performance issues, UI problems, etc.
Huh? Do you not know what the point of a beta is? Lots of MP games have changes aesthetic and visual components because of fan feedback.
So constructive feedback according to you two is the gears 3 looks better than this beta/alpha? I'm well aware of what a beta is and the feedback you should be giving but complaining about graphics in a beta isn't part of it.
 

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gears 1 still looks so much better than the others. i don't understand why they don't go back to that look
Because a large amount of players complained on Epic's forums that Gears was too dark and you couldn't see shit..especially in MP. It's the entire reason why absolutely none of Gears 2 maps were set in dark. Even maps with lightning and rain (like Subway, Mansion) ended up going bright and daytime. Gears 3 tried to change that a bit and tried some dark maps but none were as dark except maybe Bulletmarsh revision. If you can find the neogaf thread for Gears 4 reveal you'll see half of the people complaining how they can't see anything.

Although part of the reason for Gears 1 being so monotone was due to technical limitations of the lighting in first gen UE3 (it was the first UE3 game too so alternatives weren't discovered just yet), Gears 2 improved the lighting engine and as a result became more colourful. Gears 3 used even more advanced lighting with GI which meant even dark areas got lit.
 

BigTnaples

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So constructive feedback according to you two is the gears 3 looks better than this beta/alpha? I'm well aware of what a beta is and the feedback you should be giving but complaining about graphics in a beta isn't part of it.

If you want to generalize it, yes.


This thread has gone in depth on the differences in graphical techniques, art style, etc that set the two apart. Lack of lighting, per object motion blur, atmospherics etc. even the DF analysis picked up on and mentioned these things.

Giving feedback and saying "Hey Coalition, we really notice these things that are absent!" They may prioritize them over things we didn't notice they added, or go about optimization in a different way. Or maybe they are all effects that just don't have the "on switch" flipped for this build. Whatever the case, It will be a tough balance to strike given the 1080p 60fps target on XBO, but I think they can do it. They did a really great job with UE for the most part, and that was their first project.
 

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If you want to generalize it, yes.


This thread has gone in depth on the differences in graphical techniques, art style, etc that set the two apart. Lack of lighting, per object motion blur, atmospherics etc. even the DF analysis picked up on and mentioned these things.

Giving feedback and saying "Hey Coalition, we really notice these things that are absent!" They may prioritize them over things we didn't notice they added, or go about optimization in a different way. Or maybe they are all effects that just don't have the "on switch" flipped for this build. Whatever the case, It will be a tough balance to strike given the 1080p 60fps target on XBO, but I think they can do it. They did a really great job with UE for the most part, and that was their first project.
Atmosphere and art style you should give feedback on for sure. Everything else is just apart of the build being in alpha state.
 

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I think if the final version looks like Ultimate Edition (with object motion blur at 60FPS, this I want !!) then it'd be alright and most would be happy.
But then again Unreal Engine 3 is a lot more mature and developed engine than UE4.

Atmosphere and art style you should give feedback on for sure. Everything else is just apart of the build being in alpha state.
Not necessarily true, there could be some effects that they removed thinking people won't notice it but they do...object motion blur for example (which is missing from Ultimate Edition's MP as well) and the blocky maps.
 
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I've only played a handful of games so far. Took me a wile to adjust back from Gears UE rigid movement and roadie running. The beta feels good. I think the active cooldown is a happy compromise.

It is a beta, but yeah the graphics are okay or whatever. I don't really care about graphics to be honest. Framerate seems a little choppy but to be expected.

It plays like Gears which is all I really wanted. Need to put more time into it but I'm digging it so far.

The Swarm models look great but then I'm not feeling the new Cog characters. But once they confirm that Locust/classic cog skins are in I'll be satisfied.

Maps seem too big. But 5v5 needs some breathing room too. I would've been much happier to stick with 4v4 from Gears 1 and UE.

Overall I'm impressed.
 

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"Next week, on Monday, April 25, the Gears of War 4 Versus Multiplayer Beta will open up to all Xbox Live Gold members. To get fans ready for the fight, Xbox and The Coalition released a brand-new trailer today features tons of intense COG vs Swarm action.

In addition to showing off the new cast of characters in Versus Multiplayer combat, the trailer also shows brand-new weapons, maps, modes and executions being put to the test – all set to the DJ Shadow and Run the Jewels’ new track, “Nobody Speak.”

In other Gears news, fans attending PAX East this weekend will also have the opportunity to learn more about Gears of War 4’s Versus Multiplayer during the “Out of the Shadows: Inside Gears of War Multiplayer with The Coalition” panel on Sunday, 10:30 AM PDT in the Albatross Theater and streamed live on the official Gears of War Twitch channel. Fans who show up to the panel in Gears cosplay will also have the chance to win some great prizes! PAX East attendees can also check out Gears of War 4 at the Xbox booth.

Even if you’re not attending PAX East, you should tune in tomorrow for the Gears eSports ESL Pro League Season 2 Grand Finals. Denial, DreamTeam, EnvyUs, and Notorious will battle it out for $60,000 in front of a live crowd at PAX East in Boston.

And don’t miss the exclusive worldwide reveal of Escalation, the new competitive game mode for Gears of War 4, tomorrow at 8:00 AM PDT on the official Gears of War Twitch channel. You may win a digital weapon skin in our giveaway!"
 

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I like how they manage to keep the gnasher sponge nearly consistent across all gears. I had a fair few games last night where people should of died but just sponge. Also witnessed myself doing it too where people should of killed me but I took no damage at all and just 1 shot them.

I'm on the fence with this one at the minute, I like it better than UE though, just having the control back over wall bouncing really makes the game more fluid.
 

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Hard to get used to roadie running. I keep using my right stick to move the camera to which way i wanna rodie rub but i have to remember to use the left stick. lol
 

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I looked more closely at the GIF I made and WTF is going on here?

http://imgur.com/a/C4VUM

It seems right centered on his head then suddenly he is under the shot just one frame forward. If you save those two images and A-B them it's like he teleports. Man aiming in this is so confusing.
its because the bullets are coming out of the barrel rather then the screen. Your gun its too far left and you only shot his ear.

If this was ultimate edition you would have nailed him
 

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Wonder if they'll add the retro lancer to the beta at some point. It was in the trailer. Also how do you do the beat down execution with your fists?
 

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Hard to get used to roadie running. I keep using my right stick to move the camera to which way i wanna rodie rub but i have to remember to use the left stick. lol
How is using left stick+A more difficult to get used to than right stick+A considering you control right stick with right thumb which would be busy holding A while roadie running ?

Unless you use tournament or alternate control scheme.
 

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How is using left stick+A more difficult to get used to than right stick+A considering you control right stick with right thumb which would be busy holding A while roadie running ?

Unless you use tournament or alternate control scheme.
I have the elite controller and A is mapped to the left paddle so i always have my thumbs on the sticks.
 

BigTnaples

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Atmosphere and art style you should give feedback on for sure. Everything else is just apart of the build being in alpha state.


So, you're implying that The Coalition is more likely to take our feedback and change their art style, something ingrained into the DNA since concept art, and blends with story, graphics, level design, etc. than they are to say, throw OBMB back in?
 

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I like how they manage to keep the gnasher sponge nearly consistent across all gears. I had a fair few games last night where people should of died but just sponge. Also witnessed myself doing it too where people should of killed me but I took no damage at all and just 1 shot them.

I'm on the fence with this one at the minute, I like it better than UE though, just having the control back over wall bouncing really makes the game more fluid.
Ive had a few but it is a ton better than Gears UE. Im having it happen rarely now. I cant say if its better than Gears3 sponge or not because its been too long since ive last played it and you know our memory likes to remember things differently.

I literally busted out laughing when this happened to me though haha



I do love the Gears4 beta though. Its very good. There is a few things i think they need to tweak but ill take that to the Gears forums. Oh and the Dropshot is amazing. Here is another clip from the other night




EDIT: Can sombody tell me how to post gifs because when i copy them in images they dont seem to work.
 

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If your using imgur you want the link to the side of the .gif that says "BBCode (Forums)"
please don't do this. Those gifs are 50-100mb a piece and slow the thread to an absolute crawl.

it also sucks for people on mobile because they take data, are totally unwatchable and will probably crash the tab. Just link to the video.

edit: fuck. Had to add a bunch of people to my ignore list just to post that.
 

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and yet here i am..still without a code and I have UE..

???? *Nick Young gif ????


So now I wait for the 25th!
 

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please don't do this. Those gifs are 50-100mb a piece and slow the thread to an absolute crawl.

it also sucks for people on mobile because they take data, are totally unwatchable and will probably crash the tab. Just link to the video.

edit: fuck. Had to add a bunch of people to my ignore list just to post that.
I understand the concern for mobile data, and data limits in general, so ill go back to making my own so I can keep the size down.

Posting the video link isn't gonna happen though, so sorry.