Ah oke thats better then. Still locked for a year tho.
I get really salty when i see that Lucio brazil skin. And there is no way to get it now haha.
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Gears of War 4 cashes in with expensive UIR pack
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I get really salty when i see that Lucio brazil skin. And there is no way to get it now haha.
they already said that they want to add more value to the season pass, buuuuut the only thing they did was add extra xp and credits on the developers list
Mr.Fletcher
Member
Gears of War 3's season pass was excellent value. You got a bucket load of new maps, skins and characters... you even got a mini-campaign set before the events of the first game.
The Gears of War 4 season pass is awful value.
It's in-game purchases are also shameful - though I don't care about cosmetics myself.
However, I do wonder how much control The Coalition have over pricing.
It's shame because I think, shoddy business practices aside, it can proudly stand up against any game in the series... even if it's not the best.
oo7
Member
My response to the idiotic pricing of the UIR packs.
"I'm all for devs making money after the fact but come on fellas. That ***** doesn't warrant a $10 price tag and you know it. You guys are going to do all you can to dwarf this community aren't you? This outcry shouldn't be a surprise. You've gauged your audience, seen the outrage on the message boards, and still throw out that high dollar price tag for some cosmetics.
$5 a pack and people would have been singing your praises. $10 a pack and you see the result.
10000 purchases at $5 a pack or less than half of that at $10 a pack.
Be smart, make your stuff more appealing and you'll still bring in the money ffs. "
Gears is my game, I defend all their pricing schemes and whatnot, but man, $10 for this shit is wild. $10 for a chance at a character skin.
"I'm all for devs making money after the fact but come on fellas. That ***** doesn't warrant a $10 price tag and you know it. You guys are going to do all you can to dwarf this community aren't you? This outcry shouldn't be a surprise. You've gauged your audience, seen the outrage on the message boards, and still throw out that high dollar price tag for some cosmetics.
$5 a pack and people would have been singing your praises. $10 a pack and you see the result.
10000 purchases at $5 a pack or less than half of that at $10 a pack.
Be smart, make your stuff more appealing and you'll still bring in the money ffs. "
Gears is my game, I defend all their pricing schemes and whatnot, but man, $10 for this shit is wild. $10 for a chance at a character skin.
Both season passes are abit different tho. With Gears 4 maps being free.
Psychoward
Banned
Oh no doubt, I loved the Gears 3 season pass. I'm just saying it was disappointing when they revealed pretty much all the release weapon skins were locked behind a permanent paywall despite teasing them earlier.
I love Gears, always have and a number of the guys I still play on Live with are friends I met playing Gears 1 ten years ago or whateverr.
I have supported the Gears franchise by buying every game and DLC through Gears 4 (am a season pass holder). I won't spend a penny on skins though, sorry Microsoft. If I can't buy the packs naturally through game-play earned credits, I won't get them.
I have supported the Gears franchise by buying every game and DLC through Gears 4 (am a season pass holder). I won't spend a penny on skins though, sorry Microsoft. If I can't buy the packs naturally through game-play earned credits, I won't get them.
Allforce
Member
I have to wonder if this stuff is priced in response to poor sales. From the NPD leaks Gears 4 was confirmed to have sold worse than Judgment in terms of copies AND it's been basically 30 bucks or less pretty consistently since shortly after it launched.
MS paid a bundle for the Gears IP, the game is widely considered to be a great Gears game but they can't be happy with the lukewarm sales reception.
MS paid a bundle for the Gears IP, the game is widely considered to be a great Gears game but they can't be happy with the lukewarm sales reception.
Nah even Battefield wich has Premium pass just started selling Battlepacks for money.
And Battlefield sells great.
Novel Mike
Member
It just doesn't even matter how cheap this game might get, I will never purchase it because of shit like this and all of the other microtransaction bullshit that goes on in these types of games.
One one hand, the raising of prices after previous uproar is pretty bold.
On the other hand, these are pretty ugly. The Gearsmas pack is at least fun and at a much better price.
Not sure what their angle is with these being all over the place... I'll just skip them since I don't need 100 skins I'll never use, but it's still kind of baffling.
On the other hand, these are pretty ugly. The Gearsmas pack is at least fun and at a much better price.
Not sure what their angle is with these being all over the place... I'll just skip them since I don't need 100 skins I'll never use, but it's still kind of baffling.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Welcome to Overwatch Gears of War 4.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I'm ok with them selling cosmetic stuff. But taking money and then gambling for stuff is shitty.
It's this slippery slope of microtransactions. Just keeps getting worse and worse. And of course the free map packs for everyone shuts people up. I would much rather have the free map packs and let them sell the cosmetics but none of this loot crate gambling bullshit
I don't understand how people can say the Gearsmas pack is fair tbh. The Carmine pack was 200 credits and gave 3 items. The Gearsmas is 400 and still only gives 3 items, yet I can spend 400 on Horde / Versus packs and get 5 items.
I really thought they'd turned a corner with the Carmine pack being so cheap, then they do shit like this crazy UIR price.
Imagine paying 8 quid and you get 5 cards, only 3 of which are actual items from the pack. AND you can get dupes. Crazy.
I really thought they'd turned a corner with the Carmine pack being so cheap, then they do shit like this crazy UIR price.
Imagine paying 8 quid and you get 5 cards, only 3 of which are actual items from the pack. AND you can get dupes. Crazy.
deadscreensky
Member
The stupid pack system in this game is terrible, period. I like free maps, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to saddle the game with predatory, unsatisfying crap like this. It absolutely makes me think negatively of the game as a whole, and guess what? When a game gives me bad thoughts I don't play it!
I'm generally in the camp of "why do you care just don't buy it" with both monetization and DLC, but here I agree this tastes a bit sour.
Probably something to do with the 24h limit AND impossibly high in-game currency price AND all other similar packs being way cheaper AND being not even sure to get what you want AND something the community has been waiting for AND assets that already existed.
Any of those in another order would probably pass, but it's like an explosive cocktail of questionable decisions that mix very badly together to make an ugly result, and I can see why the community invested in this game would see it as a dick move.
Probably something to do with the 24h limit AND impossibly high in-game currency price AND all other similar packs being way cheaper AND being not even sure to get what you want AND something the community has been waiting for AND assets that already existed.
Any of those in another order would probably pass, but it's like an explosive cocktail of questionable decisions that mix very badly together to make an ugly result, and I can see why the community invested in this game would see it as a dick move.
Ding ding ding! This guy/gal gets it. Thank you!
Mr.Fletcher
Member
Fair point. I'm not really sure what they could have done with the season pass after they went with free map distribution.
I'm not smart enough to come up with anything exciting, but they also failed as well in my opinion.
Their success certainly paved the way for their implementation in Gears of War 4, that's for sure.
I wonder how Epic would have done it. Times have changed, but they were very good at offering value. They even teamed up with the Disocvery Channel in the past to protect players wallets.
Diablohead
Member
Overwatch has two ways of unlocking stuff, one of them allowing exactly what you want (when it's not a themed event skin) using earned gold coins.
Psychoward
Banned
You can buy themed event skins now, the Summer Games was the only one that didn't allow that.
According to the OP this pack is only available for 24 hours and costs 3x the usual amount. That's fucked up.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Exactly and its been building since launch. Just one horrible decision after another. The community is exploding right now on official forums. Im glad it's getting attention. This needs to stop.
Diablohead
Member
yeah, sorry I mean when those are out of season since they are timed.
Game adds purely cosmetic rare items. Some people have no self-control and buy them for real money.
My thoughts:
Personally, I like the idea of items that are hard-to-get. Offers up a sense of exclusivity. Not having a skin doesn't change how the game plays, so no one is losing out.
If whales are willing to plunk down cash, more power to em.
I'm getting fucking sick of these "you don't have to buy it" excuses for this shit.
You don't have to smell shit on the street either, doesn't mean it's not there. If people don't call these practices out for exactly what they are they'll only get worse. Bravo to people boycotting the game over it.
The sense of exclusivity is not what's at issue here, it's the means of getting it, which is a direct fuck you to everyone but the 1%. You see someone running around with one of these skins, chances are they're just some rich schmuck lording it around everyone they're playing with. That's the kind of community this game is trying to build.
You don't have to smell shit on the street either, doesn't mean it's not there. If people don't call these practices out for exactly what they are they'll only get worse. Bravo to people boycotting the game over it.
The sense of exclusivity is not what's at issue here, it's the means of getting it, which is a direct fuck you to everyone but the 1%. You see someone running around with one of these skins, chances are they're just some rich schmuck lording it around everyone they're playing with. That's the kind of community this game is trying to build.
I'm not a loot driven gamer at all, but it's fun to get cool cosmetics, and it's a bummer when the systems are stingy. I don't mind RNG, but there's a point where feel too unforgiving, especially when limited time skins are available. Halo 5 does it and so does Overwatch. I think we're going to see devs try something different soon, because I don't know anyone who likes it this way.
He's gettin ethered out there.
"Does that sandwich shop let you pay $10 for a small chance at the sandwich you wanted?"
"I went to that shop, paid $10 and got 3 lower halves of a bun, 1 tomato slice, 1 lettuce leaf and my receipt"
Transistor
Banned
RNG in real-money microtransactions should be fucking illegal. It's predatory as fuck and just god damn greedy
I did that earlier, though not in those exact words. No response but I linked to the official forums where people are foaming at the mouth so hopefully he sees that and calls for a phone conference.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
You can buy the event items now, but the legendary tier items are a ridiculous price of 3,000 in-game currency. Right now I am almost level 400 and have around 250 items to unlock still. Every normal loot box I open is usually 4 dupes. The currency they give you for a duplicate item is 5-25ish currency depending on the item tier. I hardly ever receive the 50-250 currency drops.
Event loot boxes are a tiny bit better I guess. I usually average 3 dupes and then one item from the event that is usually a Player Icon, or Spray and sometimes a Voice Line. For the Christmas event I bought 50 loot boxes and barely got anything. I may have got around 3,000 gold from drops and dupes, which can buy one Legendary Skin... For the low low price of $40. The only Legendary Skin I got from those 50 loot boxes was Mei's Legendary Skin four times. You'll never have enough currency to purchase much unless you buy tons of loot boxes or spend your entire life playing the game.
OW and Gears4 are pretty much inline with how scummy their unlock system is for a full priced game. Too bad I absolutely love OW.
WickedLaharl
Member
The Coalition is doing everything in their power to throw their more casual fan base under the bus in order to cater to Esports.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Don't pretend this is just The Coalition. Lots of devs are doing this because it is making them a ton of money. If any game has done it right though it's Rainbow Six: Siege. Other devs need to take note before the masses get fed up with this.
This is the perfect storm of gambling with exploiting people's fear of missing out by creating a time-sensitive pressure.
It's gross, and I'm sorry, but you can't wave it off by saying it's just cosmetic. People see value in these even if you personally don't, and they are exploiting the hell out of that fact.
It's gross, and I'm sorry, but you can't wave it off by saying it's just cosmetic. People see value in these even if you personally don't, and they are exploiting the hell out of that fact.
Neuromancer
Member
I hate this trend of blind packs instead of getting exactly what you want. It's so slimy.
They don't reply when it doesn't suit them.
Hahahahaha. Sure.
Gears 3 horde had just as many enemies. Was that also locked behind online only ?
How about G4 season pass owners being kicked from their own solo horde game ? Can't even pause for a minute in a 3+ hour long marathon game mode. Is that because of that magical cloud too ?
I was hoping that they would have listened to the shit they got for the black steel packs. It seemed like it with the 10 year anniversary packs but I guess not.
There's really no defending the way this is being done. Halo 5 does it great, it's quick to earn currency to buy them, you get all kinds of bonus packs like login bonus packs and daily win packs. And if you want to drop some cash they're reasonably cheap.
Gears packs are expensive and don't give you anywhere near as much. Scrapping cards doesn't give you enough currency to make it worthwhile and you can get dupes of epic/legendary cards.
I really like Gears 4 but I'm just not going to support this kind of shit any more. It's left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I don't even feel like grinding for the Christmas packs.
There's really no defending the way this is being done. Halo 5 does it great, it's quick to earn currency to buy them, you get all kinds of bonus packs like login bonus packs and daily win packs. And if you want to drop some cash they're reasonably cheap.
Gears packs are expensive and don't give you anywhere near as much. Scrapping cards doesn't give you enough currency to make it worthwhile and you can get dupes of epic/legendary cards.
I really like Gears 4 but I'm just not going to support this kind of shit any more. It's left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I don't even feel like grinding for the Christmas packs.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Selective pushback. If it's a truly loved dev like Blizzard people will just make up excuses for them.
Psychoward
Banned
I and others in this thread have listed reasons why Blizzard's implementation is much better but ok.
That sounds like a terrible comparison.
Overwatch doesn't have the system on top of a Season Pass
It has no extra DLC
All can be bought with in-game earned credits
Seasonal skins can be gotten on a 2/3 week window, instead of a 24-hour one
I don't dislike Rainbow's Six method but it is worse than Overwatch. It gates actual gameplay content behind a paywall or grinding.
Psychoward
Banned
Calling it a "waifu simulator" even if it might have been in jest was an indication that the poster had no real intentions of making a comparison in good faith.
Edit: And yes, OW is better than R6 Siege too. Like, much, much better. I still don't understand the pushback against OW's microtransactions, I play a shitton of mp shooters and it's by far one of the better implementations of post-release content recently. Really the only thing that comes close is Titanfall 2 but even TF2 has some cosmetics locked behind a permanent paywall that you can't get through gameplay.
well, i rather believe the coalition than you, so yeah, cloud is used for the amount of enemies on horde
Ricerocket
Member
24hr window $10 rng pack after people have spent credits on the christmas event they just introduced. Blizzard did this? No.
Season pass also on top of this to play private games of maps out of rotation, you don't need a season pass to do custom game maps in OW.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
It's not any better. And if you think it is you haven't spent any decent amount of time in the game.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
I didn't know we were talking about season passes now. I'm talking about their content unlock systems. They're both scummy af.