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[Medalion]

Wicket is wicked

 

[Anth0ny]

Nah i see the Orignal Trilogy as aimed for a general audience, it's something that is accessible to both children and adults. Hell, even the whole idea about the prequels being aimed squarely at children feels contradictory considering some of the content..

they're not entirely aimed at kids

just fucking horribly written, directed, edited etc.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Ewoks always looked like crappy, unwanted teddy bears left out in puddles of rain and mud for days.
Come at me bros.

"Say that to my face, bitch. I'll gnaw your fucking legs off and shove this spear up your ass."

 

[Medalion]

All while blinking

 

[Dead Man]

http://www.warwickdavis.co.uk/images/webshop_wicket.jpg[IMG]


"Say that to my face, bitch. I'll gnaw your fucking legs off and shove this spear up your ass."[/QUOTE]
After I waddle my way over to you...

 

[jett]

Never had a problem with ewoks. The whole series is aimed at kids/families, anyway. People pretending it's not is just lulz.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Nooooooooooooo.

 

[Pie Lord]

Yeah, the prequels are obviously aimed at children with all the politics, betrayal, mutilation and murder.

You know, for kids!

 

[nomis]

There was a security hologram. I saw Anakin killing... YOUNGLINGS.

 

[Medalion]

Robot Chicken Star Wars skit in HD, nice

 

[Pie Lord]

Robot Chicken Star Wars skit in HD, nice

Which?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Yeah, the prequels are obviously aimed at children with all the politics, betrayal, mutilation and murder.

You know, for kids!

Revenge of the Sith is clearly darker than the other two, but the first two are definitely more kid friendly and I can see an argument about them being aimed at a younger audience.

 

[emacs]

Yeah, the prequels are obviously aimed at children with all the politics, betrayal, mutilation and murder.

...

You know, for kids!

... which is consistent with the original trilogy

politics: A New Hope
betrayal: Empire Strikes Back
mutilation: Empire Strike Back
murder: Return of the Jedi

 

[Tabris]

Revenge of the Sith is clearly darker than the other two, but the first two are definitely more kid friendly and I can see an argument about them being aimed at a younger audience.

Nah, just the first one really. They went a bit overboard with it, same as they did with Return of the Jedi. Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi are both too kid friendly.

 

[Medalion]

Which?

I have seen 2 so far, maybe more

Palpatine takes a call from Darth Vader about the Death Star being destroyed

One with the Asteroid Creatures ordering chinese take out

Edit: George Lucas attends a Star Wars convention

Edit2: Jar Jar becomes a Force Ghost and haunts Darth Vader

Edit3: Lando keeps having the "deal" changed by Vader

Edit4: The Emperor keeps getting interrupted by construction workers on the Death Star

Edit5: Admiral Ackbar Cereal!

Edit6: Vader confesses a lot of stuff and Luke gets bored

Edit7: Death Star employees humoring Darth Vader

 

[Pie Lord]

Revenge of the Sith is clearly darker than the other two, but the first two are definitely more kid friendly and I can see an argument about them being aimed at a younger audience.

For kids!!!

 

[Marty Chinn]

For kids!!!

Do you think the OT is not for kids? Cuz I guarantee you most of the people here who love the OT have a fondness from when they were a kid.

 

[jaxword]

For kids!!!

Every single kid I know loves killing things in cartoonish ways, the more violent the better.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I was born in 88 so I can tell you what it was like going to see the phantom menace as a kid. It was fun, but even I thought the movie sucked a lot compared to ANH and ESB, and was worse than RotJ.

I can also tell you that the shit about taxation and trade routes and decoy padmes went completely over my head. I was quite confused the first time I saw it. And I couldn't understand half the things jar jar said.

 

[Pie Lord]

Do you think the OT is not for kids? Cuz I guarantee you most of the people here who love the OT have a fondness from when they were a kid.

I never said that. I would consider all of the films kid friendly, (all though Revenge of the Sith is a bit iffy) but I would hardly call them children's movies. I was simply making a sarcastic response to some of the claims that the prequels were aimed squarely at children.

 

[BocoDragon]

I was born in 88 so I can tell you what it was like going to see the phantom menace as a kid. It was fun, but even I thought the movie sucked a lot compared to ANH and ESB, and was worse than RotJ.

I can also tell you that the shit about taxation and trade routes and decoy padmes went completely over my head. I was quite confused the first time I saw it. And I couldn't understand half the things jar jar said.

Trust me... that stuff went over most adult heads too.

 

[Makoto]

If there's one thing that needs to be tweaked in both the PT and OT, it's how the lightsaber duels conclude.

Episode 1: Obi-wan does a front flip in front of Darth Maul and Maul just stands there as if he didn't have all the time in the world to slash him. This is only made more ridiculous by the fact that Obi-wan is allowed to retrieve his Qui-Gon's lightsaber and slash Maul across the body with no resistance from Maul.

Episode 2: Everything about the Obi-wan/Anakin vs. Dooku is awkward, especially the way Anakin gets his hand chopped out.

Episode 3: Obi-wan vs. Anakin. High ground. The funny thing is, Anakin did pretty much what Obi-wan did to Darth Maul, yet Obi-wan had the sense to do something about some guy doing flips in front of him.

But my biggest beef has to go to...

Episode 6: I always laugh at the conclusion between Vader and Luke because Luke goes ballistic and absolutely reckless against Vader and Vader just stumbles out of sheer exhaustion. When Luke cuts off Vader's hand and Vader is gestures for his life, Lucas should have had Vader say, "Kids these days, I'm too old for this shit!" Because that's all that happened, Vader got exhausted. Who knew all it would have taken to defeat Vader was just some reckless swings.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I don't know why lucas couldn't just say something like "The Trade Federation, an organization of merchants, has placed a military blockade on the planet of Naboo over a trade dispute".

something like tha tinstead of taxation on trade routes would be more concise and easily digestible.

 

[GaimeGuy]

If there's one thing that needs to be tweaked in both the PT and OT, it's how the lightsaber duels conclude.

Episode 1: Obi-wan does a front flip in front of Darth Maul and Maul just stands there as if he didn't have all the time in the world to slash him. This is only made more ridiculous by the fact that Obi-wan is allowed to retrieve his Qui-Gon's lightsaber and slash Maul across the body with no resistance from Maul.

Episode 2: Everything about the Obi-wan/Anakin vs. Dooku is awkward, especially the way Anakin gets his hand chopped out.

Episode 3: Obi-wan vs. Anakin. High ground. The funny thing is, Anakin did pretty much what Obi-wan did to Darth Maul, yet Obi-wan had the sense to do something about some guy doing flips in front of him.

But my biggest beef has to go to...

Episode 6: I always laugh at the conclusion between Vader and Luke because Luke goes ballistic and absolutely reckless against Vader and Vader just stumbles out of sheer exhaustion. When Luke cuts off Vader's hand and Vader is gestures for his life, Lucas should have had Vader say, "Kids these days, I'm too old for this shit!" Because that's all that happened, Vader got exhausted. Who knew all it would have taken to defeat Vader was just some reckless swings.

Vader lost his dominant hand and his lightsaber. What the fuck do you want him to do with luke pointing his lightsaber inches away from his face?

 

[Medalion]

Vader still has the Force, he could Force Bitchslap Luke to death... Lightsaber dueling is more a courtesy thing

 

[jaxword]

Episode 6: I always laugh at the conclusion between Vader and Luke because Luke goes ballistic and absolutely reckless against Vader and Vader just stumbles out of sheer exhaustion. When Luke cuts off Vader's hand and Vader is gestures for his life, Lucas should have had Vader say, "Kids these days, I'm too old for this shit!" Because that's all that happened, Vader got exhausted. Who knew all it would have taken to defeat Vader was just some reckless swings.

As silly as the lightsaber duels are in general, this one isn't really valid as Luke is SUPPOSED to be losing himself to the Dark Side at this point, which is about raw power and relentless attacking. Extrapolating that Luke is going full-on Dark Side telekinesis is logical since he HAMMERS Vader's energy down.

 

[Makoto]

Vader lost his dominant hand and his lightsaber. What the fuck do you want him to do with luke pointing his lightsaber inches away from his face?

Force throw some shit at him like he did in Empire. It's not even the fact that he lost his dominant hand and lightsaber, it's that all it took to get to that point was for Luke to start yelling and throwing fast swings for Vader to panic and say, "Oh snap kid, I didn't know you were this fast."

As silly as the lightsaber duels are in general, this one isn't really valid as Luke is SUPPOSED to be losing himself to the Dark Side at this point, which is about raw power and relentless attacking. Extrapolating that Luke is going full-on Dark Side telekinesis is logical since he HAMMERS Vader's energy down.

I understand that Luke was just proving Palpatine's point and I was emotionally involved up until Vader got his hand cut off by means of such a basic and reckless fighting style. To me, it just doesn't make any sense that Vader would be so unprepared for what was thrown at him.

Edit: Many consider the prequel duels to be aesthetically appealing but have little to no subtext worth caring about. Return's duel has that subtext that we understand and appreciate but the way it's told sort of falls apart.

 

[Pie Lord]

If there's one thing that needs to be tweaked in both the PT and OT, it's how the lightsaber duels conclude.

Episode 1: Obi-wan does a front flip in front of Darth Maul and Maul just stands there as if he didn't have all the time in the world to slash him. This is only made more ridiculous by the fact that Obi-wan is allowed to retrieve his Qui-Gon's lightsaber and slash Maul across the body with no resistance from Maul.

Episode 2: Everything about the Obi-wan/Anakin vs. Dooku is awkward, especially the way Anakin gets his hand chopped out.

Episode 3: Obi-wan vs. Anakin. High ground. The funny thing is, Anakin did pretty much what Obi-wan did to Darth Maul, yet Obi-wan had the sense to do something about some guy doing flips in front of him.

But my biggest beef has to go to...

Episode 6: I always laugh at the conclusion between Vader and Luke because Luke goes ballistic and absolutely reckless against Vader and Vader just stumbles out of sheer exhaustion. When Luke cuts off Vader's hand and Vader is gestures for his life, Lucas should have had Vader say, "Kids these days, I'm too old for this shit!" Because that's all that happened, Vader got exhausted. Who knew all it would have taken to defeat Vader was just some reckless swings.

I can agree with your points on the prequels, but your point on Return of the Jedi? The entire point of that sequence was to show that Luke had given himself completely over to his anger and hatred. It wasn't supposed to be an intricate display of swordsmanship, but an aggressive and brutal beat-down.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Finished my unaltered/OG Trilogy run last night.
Felt so amazing to listen to Yup Nup again after all these years (it's actually playing in my head right now). I'm serious, I don't think I'm ever going to watch Special Edition DVDs again. Also, was it ever discussed or documented somewhere about Sebastian Shaw's reaction to the Hayden insert? Still disgusts me to this day
It's funny as i've now become that grumpy ol' man with my SW. 10 Years ago, I used to tell people to chill out with that shit.
My wife and I were amazed in general how 4-6 are so complete on their own and honestly NEVER needed prequels. Lucas' constant need to reinsert nonsense to validate the prequels is just so atrocious.

On a side note, my son started crying when Luke burned Vader. Like it or not, he grew up with Anakin and is still watching him till this day with the actually good Clone Wars series.
Why lies ahead for the generation in front of us with this franchise? I just don't know, but I hope at least Lucas is involved with the most limited capacity possible.

 

[Medalion]

Star Wars is for kids with the random brutal killing/fatal scarring

Just accept it and move on

 

[Pie Lord]

Star Wars is for kids with the random brutal killing/fatal scarring

Just accept it and move on

There's a big difference between kid friendly, and a movie made for kids.

 

[BocoDragon]

Star Wars is appropriate for all ages, just like:

-Jurassic Park
-The Matrix
-Logan's Run
-Pirates of the Carribean
-Lord of the Rings
-Back to the Future
-Indiana Jones

Etc.

Any insinuation that it's really, really, really for kids, tended to be stated by Lucas in the years after Episode I. It can easily be read as 'deflecting criticism'....

I'd argue it is far less 'intended for kids' than the likes of Harry Potter.

 

[Medalion]

Holy shit they actually included the Darth Vader plays blues harmonica during the Unmasking scene with Luke

 

[Veidt]

This one of my favourite recent threads on gaf.

 

[Sibylus]

the revised battle with vader and obi is amazing:
http://youtu.be/4L6NzyrVNeg

"In the best of all worlds Dooku would be as acrobatic as Ben and Yoda and Palapatine would never use lightsabers."

Oh my, a Youtube comment that doesn't make me wish to injure myself. But yes, I agree with that faceless commenter's sentiment. The two masters really should have been rolling bulwarks of living force, needing no weapon to defend or to strike.

 

[Medalion]

And they included my personal favorite

The Darth Vader being a Jerk by opening and closing his pod chamber whenever the Officer kept talking about Comscan

 

[GaimeGuy]

And they included my personal favorite

The Darth Vader being a Jerk by opening and closing his pod chamber whenever the Officer kept talking about Comscan

I love that

 

[Kintaro]

Star Wars is appropriate for all ages, just like:

-The Matrix

The Matrix was rated R. Usually not something "appropriate" for all ages...considering all ages can't even get into the movie.

 

[petethepanda]

Wait wait, people are arguing that the PT isn't aimed at kids? A fucking CGI horse farts in Jar Jar's face and he goes "pee-yoosa!"

OT is kid appropriate. PT is kids' movies.

...though Jedi was obviously starting to slide towards pandering to kids with teddy bears.

Edit: Well, I guess the OT started as "kid appropriate" and started to slide towards "kids' movies," and the opposite is true for the PT, since it did get less kiddy (while stunningly managing to get no more adult or intelligent in the process).

 

[Medalion]

TPM is kids movie
AoTC and ROTS (especially) were trying to fight criticism of being seen as kids movies

 

[Dead Man]

Wait wait, people are arguing that the PT isn't aimed at kids? A fucking CGI horse farts in Jar Jar's face and he goes "pee-yoosa!"

OT is kid appropriate. PT is kids' movies.

...though Jedi was obviously starting to slide towards pandering to kids with teddy bears.

Fuck it, just give me a fully restored copy of ANH on BD and I'll be happy forever.

I don't think making a few stupid jokes makes a kids movie. I think people want to believe they are kids movies because that makes it easier to accept that they are not very good.

 

[petethepanda]

I don't think making a few stupid jokes makes a kids movie. I think people want to believe they are kids movies because that makes it easier to accept that they are not very good.

I guess the PT did eventually get less kiddy, but I'd say at the very least TPM is a full-out kids' movie in its tone.

 

[Lafiel]

I don't think making a few stupid jokes makes a kids movie. I think people want to believe they are kids movies because that makes it easier to accept that they are not very good.

I think the main problem is the prequels deliberately include content that panders to children (see jar-jar) but at the same time, I don't think it makes any difference whether they are kids movies or not, they are just bad movies period.

 

[Chanser]

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/08/all_the_star_wars_blu-ray_changes_for_your_viewing.php

I laughed when he decided to add a rock and a giant door.

 

[Pie Lord]

Wait wait, people are arguing that the PT isn't aimed at kids? A fucking CGI horse farts in Jar Jar's face and he goes "pee-yoosa!"

OT is kid appropriate. PT is kids' movies.

...though Jedi was obviously starting to slide towards pandering to kids with teddy bears.

Edit: Well, I guess the OT started as "kid appropriate" and started to slide towards "kids' movies," and the opposite is true for the PT, since it did get less kiddy (while stunningly managing to get no more adult or intelligent in the process).

I'm sorry, but have ever seen a movie that is actually made specifically for kids? I'm assuming you haven't, considering you see the prequels as such.

 

[Furret]

I never said that. I would consider all of the films kid friendly, (all though Revenge of the Sith is a bit iffy) but I would hardly call them children's movies. I was simply making a sarcastic response to some of the claims that the prequels were aimed squarely at children.

A genuine children's movie is something like the Care Bear movie that was not created with any intention of an adult being able or willing to watch them - and they're quite rare in terms of theatrical releases.

The original Star Wars trilogy is a family film, in that it's meant for the entire family. They were intended to be modern day fairy tales and so their primary focus is children, but with a healthy level of violence and mature themes. Just like a real fairy tale.

The prequels were made by and for idiots. Luckily for George there's plenty of those to go around and then still come back for seconds when the Blu-rays turn up.

 

[nomis]

TPM is kids movie
AoTC and ROTS (especially) were trying to fight criticism of being seen as kids movies

TPM wasn't a "kid's movie". It was a juvenile movie, definitely, but that doesn't mean it was created for juveniles. The plotting and dialogue seemed like they were penned by children. Why did a movie with Jar Jar Binks hanging off a tank cannon also include "drama" about trade route taxation? Because Lucas is a fucking incompetent screenwriter.

I enjoyed TPM when I was 9 because it had the pod race and Darth Maul. I thought all the politio-babble was supposed to be engaging to older viewers but was just beyond my comprehension, so it actually made the movie seem more sophisticated and adult.

 

[Pie Lord]

A genuine children's movie is something like the Care Bear movie that was not created with any intention of an adult being able or willing to watch them - and they're quite rare in terms of theatrical releases.

The original Star Wars trilogy is a family film, in that it's meant for the entire family. They were intended to be modern day fairy tales and so their primary focus is children, but with a healthy level of violence and mature themes. Just like a real fairy tale.

The prequels were made by and for idiots. Luckily for George there's plenty of those to go around and then still come back for seconds when the Blu-rays turn up.

You had a great point up until your third segment, such a shame that you had to waste it. The prequels have some serious issues as films that are well worth debate, but the moment you begin throwing insults around and stating them as "facts" is when you become no better than a pestilent child. It's quite pathetic.

 

[Dead Man]

I guess the PT did eventually get less kiddy, but I'd say at the very least TPM is a full-out kids' movie in its tone.

Yeah, the tone did change, but I would say not even TPM was intended as a kids movie. Taxation as part of the plot automatically removes it from that category for me.

These three fine posters have summed up my feelings pretty well:

I think the main problem is the prequels deliberately include content that panders to children (see jar-jar) but at the same time, I don't think it makes any difference whether they are kids movies or not, they are just bad movies period.

A genuine children's movie is something like the Care Bear movie that was not created with any intention of an adult being able or willing to watch them - and they're quite rare in terms of theatrical releases.

The original Star Wars trilogy is a family film, in that it's meant for the entire family. They were intended to be modern day fairy tales and so their primary focus is children, but with a healthy level of violence and mature themes. Just like a real fairy tale.

The prequels were made by and for idiots. Luckily for George there's plenty of those to go around and then still come back for seconds when the Blu-rays turn up.

TPM wasn't a "kid's movie". It was a juvenile movie, definitely, but that doesn't mean it was created for juveniles. The plotting and dialogue seemed like they were penned by children. Why did a movie with Jar Jar Binks hanging off a tank cannon also include "drama" about trade route taxation? Because Lucas is a fucking incompetent screenwriter.

I enjoyed TPM when I was 9 because it had the pod race and Darth Maul. I thought all the politio-babble was supposed to be engaging to older viewers but was just beyond my comprehension, so it actually made the movie seem more sophisticated and adult.

 

[Furret]

You had a great point up until your third segment, such a shame that you had to waste it. The prequels have some serious issues as films that are well worth debate, but the moment you begin throwing insults around and stating them as "facts" is when you become no better than a pestilent child. It's quite pathetic.

I don't see any need to pander to idiocy when the facts are plain enough.

If you think the prequels are defensible on any artistic ground whatsoever then you a) haven't watched any of the Red Letter reviews and b) are so undiscerning in your taste that you're directly responsible for the current state of modern popular cinema.

There's nothing to debate about the prequels.