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Inferno313 said:
Oh man. We're opening with a defense of Ghostbusters II.

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And the problem with that is?
 
Jawmuncher said:
I don't think it's that far-fetched. It kind of reminds me of the whole DmC vs DMC. A lot of people like the original universe and would like to see it continue.
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You misunderstand me. If you can be open minded to the original universe seeing a fruitful continuation without the star of the first movie coming back, you can be open minded to a remake being good too.

I think Ghostbusters 3 could have been good. I mean, the game is.

But my issue is that he was clearly against the remake before he'd seen a frame of it based on this video. He was only open to the idea of a sequel being any good.

Like the Evil Dead franchise. The remake was good and sort of had a cameo from the original star. I love Ash VS The Evil Dead but I'd still be game for a follow up to the remake. Or heck, even that cross over they spit balled.
 
plagiarize said:
You misunderstand me. If you can be open minded to the original universe seeing a fruitful continuation without the star of the first movie coming back, you can be open minded to a remake being good too.

I think Ghostbusters 3 could have been good. I mean, the game is.

But my issue is that he was clearly against the remake before he'd seen a frame of it based on this video. He was only open to the idea of a sequel being any good.

Like the Evil Dead franchise. The remake was good and sort of had a cameo from the original star. I love Ash VS The Evil Dead but I'd still be game for a follow up to the remake. Or heck, even that cross over they spit balled.
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Ahh ok, yeah I can understand that.
 
FF Seraphim said:
Yep this blows my mind. The guy made a reasonable opinion and now people are slandering him. You cannot say every guy who doesn't want to watch the movie is sexist.
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Yeah it's indeed mind blowing and kind of disgusting. This useless agenda/witch hunting of calling somebody sexist without any kind of proof is getting extremely annoying.

And James Rolfe? Seriously?

I just want this movie to come out to see if all this bullshit finally ends.
 
Interesting how this display of mind-blowing disgust is so awe-inspiring and befuddling when aimed at James Rolfe (who has a daughter, you guys!) but is merely a simple, easily-understood non-phenomena dismissed with the blithest of handwaves when pointed in the direction of the film and its filmmakers.

A two-year campaign of overstated hate ain't shit, but two days of negative reaction to a single YouTube video from his entertainment media peers is some horrifying eldritch wizardry too repugnant to behold.
 
SolidSnakex said:
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Attacking his wife because you think he's a sexist for not watching a move that has a shit trailer? That makes no damn sense.

Also, how is this any better than the sexist, gamegaters, and manbabies (because they are the only ones who dislike these trailers obviously) they are fighting against?
 
FF Seraphim said:
I used my terms too generally so I can understand if you think I was attacking NeoGAF posters. I was more responding to the guy who brought up James Rolfe and his twitter feed.
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You seemed to be agreeing with Ishida. Rolfe has clearly been getting some hate on Twitter.

If people *have* been, I want quotes, because the tone of Ishida's post is that 'NeoGAF' is calling Rolfe sexist. When it's a few individuals at most.

Averon said:
Attacking his wife because you think he's a sexist for not watching a move that has a shit trailer? That makes no damn sense.
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"Who would marry this man baby?" is a clear attack on Rolfe. One that I think is extremely shitty.

The joke about the gumball dispenser is pretty funny.

I see no one attacking his wife though. Eh, politicians try to deflect like that shit all the time and I always roll my eyes at it.
 
vainglorious said:
...are you serious?
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First of all, I'm not applauding his post. It was done in poor taste and should have never been posted.

However let's not pretend that mocking appearances, especially of male actors, is everyday stuff around these parts, usually accompanied of reaction mames celebrating the joke.
 
FF Seraphim said:
I used my terms too generally so I can understand if you think I was attacking NeoGAF posters. I was more responding to the guy who brought up James Rolfe and his twitter feed.
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Uh, me? Apologies if not, but I did bring up his twitter feed, and I am not by any means calling him sexist nor am I slandering him. Again, sorry if that wasn't directed at me but I didn't see anyone else bring up his twitter feed. I only did it to illustrate how fucking childish people are being about the whole fiasco, and you'll be damned if you try to bring any level-headed thoughts to the proceedings.
 
plagiarize said:
How's about some quotes of the people calling him sexist right here on NeoGAF?
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We already had a big discussion about the people here on NeoGAF who did that. It could be re-linked but it's really not worth discussing again. We're already kinda moving far away from actual discussion of trailer with this.
 
If anything, having a daughter must make AVGN think the new ghostbusters must be awesome as a way to show his daughter that women can be ghostbusters too !

Bobby Roberts said:
No he's not, spidey-covered doppelganger of mine. He's grandstanding. We've gone over this in the previous thread, and it looks like while I was asleep the topic was fumbled at like an amputee in a rugby match, but his message isn't positive at all. He's speaking for himself, he's not trying to teach a lesson to anyone, he's making a big mistake as a critic (and whether or not people consider him professional or amateur is beside the point - people kept trying to pull that one in the other thread like the fact he reviews shit movies means he's exempt from making bonehead bush league mistakes) by turning his decision not to see it into some sort of weird pop-culture-political speech.

He's shitting in an already poisoned well, essentially. Nobody wants to see or hear that. Sure, he's got the right to do it. Its his channel, he can do what he wants. But it's a fuckin dumb move, which is why he's eating the criticism he's eating. He's not some poor victim of clickbait journalism. He's not a victim at all.

That's one of the bigger problems with this conversation, one I've addressed previously: There's a level of insecurity consistently at play, to varying degrees of loudness, and that insecurity is fueling a lot of people's arguments, and those arguments are intended to more or less make sure anyone looking understands who the real victims of this film's fallout are: Ghostbusters Fans.

We're seeing a lot of people trying to wrestle these narratives into place:

*I'm the victim because someone might think I'm sexist
*I'm the victim because my childhood memories are being manhandled
*I'm the victim because I can't just dislike something without being judged for it
*I'm the victim because Hollywood won't serve my thirst for original filmmaking.

There are a lot of angry insecure boys trying to ensure you understand how unfairly they think they're being treated simply because they're Ghostbusters fans, and the strength of those arguments is often not enough to bend the foam pool noodles you used to plug into the front of your old Proton Pack toys.

Rolfe essentially volunteered to be their figurehead with that video, and he knew he was doing it. And that's disappointing on more than a couple levels. His criticism isn't just mindless piling-on by fellow members of the pop-culture critics sewing circle. It's people having a legitimate problem with the stunt he pulled, and the contribution to the needlessly negative atmosphere of the offense olympics currently roiling fullspeed at all times.

All of which is maddening/confusing/incomprehensible because we're talking about a fuckin' GHOSTBUSTERS movie here. Of all the things.

Ghostbusters.
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This post is very good ^
 
SolidSnakex said:
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Given the larger reaction that the Ghostbusters remake has had on the Internet, it's not surprising nor unfounded that Rolfe's video should receive some criticism and even be rebuked. Yet there is a certain level of irony seeing people hurl personal and uncalled-for Twitter insults like that.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Interesting how this display of mind-blowing disgust is so awe-inspiring and befuddling when aimed at James Rolfe (who has a daughter, you guys!) but is merely a simple, easily-understood non-phenomena dismissed with the blithest of handwaves when pointed in the direction of the film and its filmmakers.

A two-year campaign of overstated hate ain't shit, but two days of negative reaction to a single YouTube video from his entertainment media peers is some horrifying eldritch wizardry too repugnant to behold.
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Well, actually neither should be acceptable. People needlessly hating on a film for years before seeing footage of it for whatever reason can be ignored and so can people making personal attacks against James Rolfe (or anyone else) for not wanting to watch a movie based on it's trailers.

There are pathetic and childish people on both sides of the camp and at the moment I can't even tell who is worse.
 
plagiarize said:
You seemed to be agreeing with Ishida. Rolfe has clearly been getting some hate on Twitter.

If people *have* been, I want quotes, because the tone of Ishida's post is that 'NeoGAF' is calling Rolfe sexist. When it's a few individuals at most.
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Well I agree with him that Rolfe shouldn't be getting attacked for having his opinion. I have not read the thread thoroughly enough to even know if NeoGAF posters are calling him sexist.

Miscommunication on my part, I did not mean to attack posters on here.
 
starchild excalibur said:
That's lame as shit of them, but it doesn't reflect the criticisms of Rolfe in this thread.
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I wasn't saying it does. Someone asked who is sending abuse and I was just pointing out that it's all over social media. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The most amazing thing is that it's not simply random Twitter users that are sending personal insults but people that work for well established websites or newspapers. So you can imagine what things the regular users think is okay.
 
Wow the new Ghostbusters really is a complete dumpster fire at this point. I had no idea things would reach such a fever pitch.
 
SolidSnakex said:
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People on the internet being shitty.

Not going to defend these people. I do think this is a minority though. I could probably screenshot 10 tweets of people wanting Feig to die for every tweet insulting Rolfe.

Also, these labels are misleading. These people are freelance writers, and not part of Slate/New York Times. They don't represent those publications.
 
brandonh83 said:
Uh, me? Apologies if not, but I did bring up his twitter feed, and I am not by any means calling him sexist nor am I slandering him. Again, sorry if that wasn't directed at me but I didn't see anyone else bring up his twitter feed. I only did it to illustrate how fucking childish people are being about the whole fiasco, and you'll be damned if you try to bring any level-headed thoughts to the proceedings.
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Ishida brought it up and I was merely agreeing with him that Rolfe shouldn't be attacked like he is. No idea what NeoGAF posters were saying before that.
 
Phil0sophy said:
Stating something factual doesn't mean I am trying to play a victim.
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So no, you didn't see it.

See, you can't say you're not portraying yourself as a victim while simultaneously suggesting you're being bullied. Seeing as you didn't put quotes around the term bully, one can only take away that you intended for that to be taken seriously, and that your decision to remain silent (which by the way, you'd volunteered without anyone asking that of you pages ago) was made against your will due to the presence and actions of bullies in your midst.

These are the kinds of subtle little things people keep jamming into their arguments and responses as a means to keep the discussion about the response to this film's marketing off the easily/readily observable disproportionate backlash (which Rolfe is now knowingly contributing to) and instead framed as some sort of underdog tale by this event's truly maligned parties: Ghostbusters Fans.
 
ExVicis said:
We already had a big discussion about the people here on NeoGAF who did that. It could be re-linked but it's really not worth discussing again. We're already kinda moving far away from actual discussion of trailer with this.
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It's off topic, absolutely. But if people are going to call it out, they should call out the people doing it, and not be like 'I can't believe people here are calling him sexist'. I can't keep up with this thread. Who is doing that? What did they say? Without that stuff I can't really respond.
 
Ishida said:
Yeah it's indeed mind blowing and kind of disgusting. This useless agenda/witch hunting of calling somebody sexist without any kind of proof is getting extremely annoying.

And James Rolfe? Seriously?

I just want this movie to come out to see if all this bullshit finally ends.
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Well it should be obvious to anyone that criticizing a movie that looks, by nearly everyone's estimation, very bad; makes you an entitled pissbaby manchild.

It's quite clear that his perfectly reasonable 6 minute blog hateful screed was motivated by unconscious sexism. There's no doubt in my mind. He did something unquestionably bad, this backlash is totally warranted.
 
Ishida said:
First of all, I'm not applauding his post. It was done in poor taste and should have never been posted.

However let's not pretend that mocking appearances, especially of male actors, is everyday stuff around these parts, usually accompanied of reaction mames celebrating the joke.
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That poster made a sexist remark about Melissa McCarthy in a thread discussing growing concerns around sexist remarks and attitudes surrounding this film. And your initial reaction is to question the responses of users in this thread if the original statement had been about a male actor? What kind of point are you trying to fucking make exactly dude?
 
Seeing Patton Oswalt and someone from the NYT attack Rolfe is one hell of a shitshow even for Sony Pictures, egads! Not quite as bad as North Korea vs The Interview but holy shit at the reaction to this movie lol
 
Ishida said:
So now we have people here stating that James Rolfe is sexist.

Come the fuck on...
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Unconscious sexist which is even dumber. They're admitting they have no ground to stand on but just want to imagine that he's a sexist so bad. It's pathetic and it's embarrassing that we have people like that here.
 
Audioboxer said:
Is it bad I never got around to playing the game? Heard many good things but only had a PS3 and apparently the PS3 version was trash compared to 360.
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I can't speak for the PS3 version since I got it on the 360, but it's definitely worth seeking out if you're interested.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Can someone summarize what going on in this thread? I dont understand.
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TLDR: A remake that would have been controversial anyway, given that a sequel had been in various stages of preproduction for years until one of the main stars died and a remake was fast tracked, gets record amounts of hate because a lot of people are *also* angry about the fact it now all stars women. Remake hate + disappointment about Ghostbusters 3 and Harold Ramis passing + sexism = shit storm.

People who are in the camp of the 'nerd who can't imagine a Ghostbusters movie made for anyone who isn't them' are paranoid about being seen as sexists and vocally deriding anyone criticizing the sexist backlash, and so are going on and on about how their hatred for the film isn't anything to do with being sexist.

Meanwhile actual sexists are doing just the same thing, poisoning the discussion for absolutely everyone, such is their want.

Some people think the movie doesn't look that great and are like 'why the hell is this thread moving so fast. oh shit what did I just walk into.'
 
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