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Gizmodo: Xbox One is worse for everyone if Kinect not mandatory
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NullPointer
Member
And those games have to have HDD required disclaimers and deal with a split audience.
Just saying, if MS would have standardized on a hard drive things would have been easier for everyone involved.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Yeah, until Kinect malfunctions or breaks and your system is pointlessly a brick til you get a new one.
Not giving them the clicks. I'm glad MS backtracked on that all or nothing policy.
Not giving them the clicks. I'm glad MS backtracked on that all or nothing policy.
Bigmac1910
Member
Not worse me at all, not sure why the writer loves the Kinect so much. All I'm waiting for now is a Kinect-less SKU with a lower price, and I can finally start to consider it for launch.
I am happy, too, but the non-stop flow of articles flowing out that paint consumers as the bad guys and Microsoft as some sort of victim is getting pretty fucking annoying.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
Kinect in every box is good for everyone except the competition which have no equivalent product.
I'd say the higher price point is pretty nice for the competition.
This. I for one am glad that it is included. Gamers want innovation right? I can't wait to see some creative use. Especially by indies...
SwiftDeath
Member
Uh huh
So is this going to be the excuse given if the Kinect doesn't have "mind-bending progress" this time round?
So is this going to be the excuse given if the Kinect doesn't have "mind-bending progress" this time round?
NullPointer
Member
Hypothetically, if the Xbox One originally announced its Kinect support in the way it is now - bundled in every box, but able to be disabled in software and physically disconnected - would we be seeing articles like this asking MS to brick the Xbox if the Kinect was disconnected or broken?
Because I have a very hard time believing that.
Because I have a very hard time believing that.
Casual, Fad, Waggle, Shovelware. Besides sales, what did Wiimote do to advance gaming?
Besides Wii Sports, what (good) Wii game would have been ruined by using a standard controller?
I would agree if Kinect wasn't shipping with every box. Right now, developers can still be sure that every Xbox owner has a Kinect at home, and if their software is compelling enough, that will push them to use it.
But yea, not one Kinect game was announced at the E3 conference. Microsoft aren't exactly doing a good job promoting Kinect for gaming.
But yea, not one Kinect game was announced at the E3 conference. Microsoft aren't exactly doing a good job promoting Kinect for gaming.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Much of the cost of a device is the research and development. There is no $100 for you to pocket. The device itself probably costs more than $100 to manufacture and definitely more than $100 per unit to create. $100 is an artificial number based upon the original Kinect and the difference in price between X1 and PS4. X1 at $399 without Kinect is a bad deal relative to PS4. You have worse RAM and GPU at the same price. X1 would be forced down to $349 at least. Microsoft put most of its research and development into Kinect, if they dump the Kinect they've lost their main selling point and wasted their budget. They might as well start planning a quick exit like they did with the OG Xbox if that is the path they are on.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Bravo sir. This article is click bait and nothing more.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I agree kinda
Article is pretty much correct. I would argue that you'd have the same results if it was just a pack-in and not something that had to be plugged in in order for the system to operate, but the bottom line is that the only way Kinect stands a chance of being well-utilized is if developers see an incentive in doing so, and that means having as many units out there as possible. Can't make a game that revolves around the cool stuff that Kinect does when only a fraction of the install base actually has one.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
Good enough I suspect
Joke post?
gaming_noob
Member
Oh THAT guy. Ignore my last post!
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
This is one thing I can get behind.
One of the only reasons I am still hyped for my Xbox One.(aStill less than my PS4), is the mandatory Kinect 2.0 integration. UI navigation will be awesome, and hopefully we will see more voice commands build into games like Halo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, etc.
Playing Skyrim is so much quicker and efficient with Kinect, which sucks for me because I play the PC version.
One of the only reasons I am still hyped for my Xbox One.(aStill less than my PS4), is the mandatory Kinect 2.0 integration. UI navigation will be awesome, and hopefully we will see more voice commands build into games like Halo, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, etc.
Playing Skyrim is so much quicker and efficient with Kinect, which sucks for me because I play the PC version.
It's in every goddamn box.
brandonh83
Banned
If I can get rid of mine or trade it in I will do so as soon as possible. Don't need it, don't want it. The Xbox One comes with a great looking controller. That's all I want. I buy systems to play games on, and other things I may do like Netflix or whatever, I'm pretty sure I can navigate it with the controller.
If there is some kind of secret sauce that is going to make Kinect so amazing, so worthwhile to have plugged in, they didn't reveal it during the Xbox 360 era and they've yet to do so with the Xbox One. Microsoft has utterly failed in every way to convince me that this thing is worth more than approximately one fuck.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Develop meaningful things for Kinect first before bitching about people not wanting it.
Various Artists
Banned
Xbox One may be worse off but everyone will be better off.
But now they aren't forced to see the GENIUS of Kinect 2! It's totally not an incremental upgrade to a shitty fad product! And now you damned ungrateful entitled internet hipster bastards ruined it for everybody. Kinect was going to cure cancer, and now it's your fault that it will shoot your grandma.
Oppo
Member
PES Wii.
Dunno about ruined but a lot of games were improved by it; Godfather, RE4, Mario Galaxy. The controls in Skate It made a lot more sense than in regular Skate.
In general, if your game was using the pointer, it was an improvement over the standard controller. Motion controls are hit or miss but a lot of small motion shortcuts over pressing buttons were ok, like swiping the controller to use the knife in RE4.
This is the key point. They will not throw the kinect out. They might disconnect it. Then a major release comes out and people talk about how the kinect integration works amazingly, they plug it in, and everyone is happy. Some never used the packed in headset, but it was there to use.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
It's not worse for me because I don't like motion gaming or using voice to change a channel when pressing a button is more efficient.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Bullshit. If a developer has a great idea and use for Kinect, it would show in the game itself. I'd rather have them develop a great game because they want to use Kinect rather than just tack on menu uses or other useless crap for it.
WOW, so you can actually PUSH consumers to use Kinect.
I think Microsoft should hire you ASAP.
Because they are scratching their heads about how to CONVINCE people that Kinect is fun to play with!
No I dont think this is going to lower the install base of kinect at all, it may even increase it.
People might be buying an X1 now that kinect is no longer required, and If kinect was still required people would not buy an X1 or just choose not to buy kinect games . Just because its required does not mean someone who does not want to play kinect games is going to buy software for it.
for example
out of the 100mill potential consumers of the X1 75 mill want kinect and 25mill dont, having it required or not is not going to effect the 25million gamers decision in supporting it, it just makes life more awkward for those 25mil.
With kinect being included with the X1 i think it will increase the software buying install base from being 25% (with kinect one and 360) to 75% regardless if its required or not, the sheer fact its in the box is what matters.
stupid gizmondo.
People might be buying an X1 now that kinect is no longer required, and If kinect was still required people would not buy an X1 or just choose not to buy kinect games . Just because its required does not mean someone who does not want to play kinect games is going to buy software for it.
for example
out of the 100mill potential consumers of the X1 75 mill want kinect and 25mill dont, having it required or not is not going to effect the 25million gamers decision in supporting it, it just makes life more awkward for those 25mil.
With kinect being included with the X1 i think it will increase the software buying install base from being 25% (with kinect one and 360) to 75% regardless if its required or not, the sheer fact its in the box is what matters.
stupid gizmondo.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This would doom kinect to be a side thought again. Some of us don't want that.
ambar_hitman
Member
Kinect less SKU incoming.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
It's in the box. Everybody has one.
It's up to Microsoft/Developers to want to get people to fucking use it.
that fucking simple.
even if it was mandatory, that shit would have been sitting behind my tv gathering dust.
It's up to Microsoft/Developers to want to get people to fucking use it.
that fucking simple.
even if it was mandatory, that shit would have been sitting behind my tv gathering dust.
Either way, it is added cost for something that I don't want and is now not even mandatory, so I should not have to pay for it. All I want is the console, and it is damn sure not something I feel is worth $500.00 alone when I can get the more powerful PS4 for $100 less, and with no such attachments I don't need in the box.
Nope. For most users and most purposes I think a basic webcam will be sufficient. The Kinect is obviously technically superior but there's not doubt that the PS4 will get the Just Dance games or whatever takes their place and people probably won't notice the difference.
yep. I still feel that the original vision that MS had was more compelling that what we're left with, but hey, maybe Amazon will step up with a digital only steambox/hybrid that will fill the void.
The internet feels like Tea Party conservatives in our digital gaming future. They absolutely despise progress and want iterative versions of what we have now or even better...for things to be rolled back to the good ole days. These new boxes may be too stuck in the past and too weighed down by the current to stay viable for future success. The vita for instance, is the hardcore's dream handheld gaming device...and it's dead. I'm not sure what the hardcore wants is sustainable anymore.
At least i have Steam.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
So when I do buy an Xbox, and don't use Kinect, why have it plugged in at all? Why not just leave it in the box? I certainly won't be using the fucking thing. Why disable the optional features and leave the camera plugged in?
I have no interest in kinect, move, Wii U gamepad or any other gimmicky shit. Give me a controller and a game and im good.
No, I'm sure there will some Styrofoam pack-in material in the PS4 box.
NullPointer
Member
My mind is full of fuck.