reelbigtink
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People also get bent out of shape because of how Bane died but it thematically made perfect sense. He was a nobody rogue mercenary the entire time and Talia was pulling the strings.
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God! Nolan's Dark Knight Rises is such a terrible movie!
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People also get bent out of shape because of how Bane died but it thematically made perfect sense. He was a nobody rogue mercenary the entire time and Talia was pulling the strings.
Gnome Scat
Member
It is known.
DoctorFling
Member
It's statements like this that makes discussing superhero films so tiresome. Instead of people discussing a film in isolation they just start throwing shit at other films and it starts an endless cycle of bickering and fanboyism.
TDKR is an ok film but a disappointing cap to the trilogy.
andythinkpad
Member
I am a card carrying TDKR hater, but do we need one of these threads every month?
ginger ninja
Banned
It could be better but it absolutely has one of the best epilogues to a trilogy. The way they wrap it up is perfect. Especially the eulogy and the statue unveiling. Only thing I would change is the bit near the end when alfred looks and nods. I will just keep that and remove the footage of bruce and Selina, so the ending become more mysterious like Inception.
That was all awful. Selling your main villain down the river in the most anticlimactic way for a plot twist people called when she was cast was really really bad.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
I guess we do? I'm confused why this is a thing as it isn't bad but not great
You know what we need every few months though? A TPM episode 1 bash threads
Then why did Nolan want to film right in the middle of protests?
ginger ninja
Banned
Another way to appreciate this movie is to read Tale of the Two cities.
yeah it's pretty weak. everything t do with the reactor and why Bruce would even build it the first place makes no sense, and the reactor kinda drives the whole film. There would be no Bane takeover without it.
He obviously knew about the flaw to make it a bomb before construction started otherwise there is no reason to have it built in an underground supervillian lairand he built it with the intention of never using it funnelling all the profits of his company to do so(which we learn from the orphanage funding and his dealings with tahlia)?
I like to think at the end of the movie he isn't retiring from being Batman because he has found peace or whatever but instead is on the run for building an unlicensed unsupervised nuclear reactor underneath one of Americas largest cities.
He obviously knew about the flaw to make it a bomb before construction started otherwise there is no reason to have it built in an underground supervillian lairand he built it with the intention of never using it funnelling all the profits of his company to do so(which we learn from the orphanage funding and his dealings with tahlia)?
I like to think at the end of the movie he isn't retiring from being Batman because he has found peace or whatever but instead is on the run for building an unlicensed unsupervised nuclear reactor underneath one of Americas largest cities.
Plus he already got 'beaten' by Batman just moments before, he didn't need a drawn out defeat since he already had one.
Because the film was going to include protests and poor overthrowing the rich anyway, so why not use real life footage of a similar event happening?
andythinkpad
Member
Nah I feel bad for Jake Lloyd.
I can use a thread lament at how bad the remakes/reboots are (Conan, Robocop etc).
Fancyarcher
Member
Yeah Bane was tough, but he was pretty clearly not the "ringmaster". I know a lot of people think that weakened his character, and I can't say I entirely disagree with them either, but at the same time context wise I think it made sense.
Also the more and more I watch it, I actually think the real-world bomb climax in terms of suspense, and dread, outdoes a lot of CGI big-fight superhero climaxes. It's certainly impressive how they filmed it anyway.
Solidsoul
Banned
I had to drop by with my two cents.
Been on the forum for quite some time, see this movie getting bashed a lot. It's unwarranted and makes no sense at all. I can understand not liking it, I can understand being disappointed by it, heck I can even understand saying certain parts of it aren't the best...but it's a good movie. C'mon people.
Been on the forum for quite some time, see this movie getting bashed a lot. It's unwarranted and makes no sense at all. I can understand not liking it, I can understand being disappointed by it, heck I can even understand saying certain parts of it aren't the best...but it's a good movie. C'mon people.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Pfft I wouldn't hate Llyod, has enough shit to deal with
Everything else in the movie though is open season...
I support your reboot thread idea though
Dash_Riprock
Member
I can't take that fucking statue seriously given how The Postman ended the same way.
TissueBox
Member
Say what you will but these cinematic universes tend to have a bloat problem anyway... sure the MCU will have a couple gems here and there but there isn't the same anchor holding it together that you get from a single vision, like with Nolan's trilogy -- imo even MCU's high mid-tiers lose points 'cause of that. Winter Soldier and Guardians are definitely some of their best, heck I'm even a sucker for The Incredible Hulk, but that's 'cause they have a weight to them the rest of it seems to lack. TDKR could've been way better but it still had a sense of stakes, character, and complexity, etc.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It spawned the meme of the forever
HeisenbergLannister
Member
Walking out of the theater, I thought it was my favorite of the trilogy.
5 years later, I'm probably back on my original Begins = TDK >>> TDKR opinion.
TDKR was probably too bloated, and maybe needed a second movie to really make everything have an impact and let things breathe. It never felt like Batman was gone for 8 years, and it never felt like Gotham was occupied that long by Bane.
Plus, Gordon's and Alfred's roles were highly diminished, which annoyed me at the time and maybe even more now.
5 years later, I'm probably back on my original Begins = TDK >>> TDKR opinion.
TDKR was probably too bloated, and maybe needed a second movie to really make everything have an impact and let things breathe. It never felt like Batman was gone for 8 years, and it never felt like Gotham was occupied that long by Bane.
Plus, Gordon's and Alfred's roles were highly diminished, which annoyed me at the time and maybe even more now.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
The movie is a mixed bag, some parts are awful and amateurish, others are pretty great.
The terrible fights, the nonsensical plot and the rightwing propaganda bring it down for me.
But it's dumb fun nontheless.
The terrible fights, the nonsensical plot and the rightwing propaganda bring it down for me.
But it's dumb fun nontheless.
Glass Rebel
Member
It's not a terrible movie but it has some pretty questionable content. Worst of all it's a thematic mess that retreads itself and ends with an unearned twist that merely serves to wrap up the series in a nice callback package. Subpar fight scenes and weird takes just add to something that should have been the conclusion to a great trilogy. It's especially baffling because it's the kind of movie you'd expect Nolan to nail in his sleep. But alas, it wasn't meant to be.
Fancy Clown
Member
I don't actually even think it's bad, it just feels literally unfinished. Like they did a rough cut of a first draft of the screenplay and were like "alright, we good." There's a lot of really fantastic stuff in there, and it's super ambitious, but it just makes the incredibly rough elements stick out all the more.
It still has more clarity of purpose, narrative justification for even existing, and aesthetic identity than most super hero movies.
It still has more clarity of purpose, narrative justification for even existing, and aesthetic identity than most super hero movies.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
*has minor Iron Man 3 flashbacks*
*has major Star Trek Into Darkness flashback*
Although that revelation in Iron Man has grown on me. It's different. But Bane getting killed off was so unsatisfying. I'm ambivalent about the Talia reveal. I really like how it ties things back to Begins and we see that she was the one that climbed out...but her modern day persona just didn't click for me.
biggersmaller
Banned
I'm never going to convince people who hate it that it's good, but I really enjoyed it.
Tom Hardy as Bane was great. Anne Hathaway as Salena was great. The opening scene is so fun.
It has problems, but I'm glad they took the risk and went big.
Tom Hardy as Bane was great. Anne Hathaway as Salena was great. The opening scene is so fun.
It has problems, but I'm glad they took the risk and went big.
old manatee
Banned
It's a really janky movie, but I enjoy watching it.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Having said police force charge an encamped enemy that was emptying AUTOMATIC WEAPONS into them and seeing only a couple guys fall down instead of...all of them, is what made me write off the movie.
I completely agree. Everytime I watch, it only gets worse.
SolidChamp
Banned
Do we know that for a fact, though? Has he actually gone on record saying his narrative changed dramatically with the death of Heath Ledger?
I managed to get the ultimate collector's edition box set (that crazy, hulking $150 one) on sale on Amazon for $35, and I'm hoping the extras reveal more insights into the process behind these films and Nolan's thoughts on Ledger's performance and how that fit into his vision, both before and after his death.
I noticed how Warner Brothers axed interviews and stuff on Ledger from the initial blu ray release due to his passing.
Maybe Bobby Roberts has some knowledge on this stuff?
TheGameshark
Member
Yup, still entertaining as fuck
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I love how the OP reveals two things:
1) His ability to comprehend relatively simple plot lines is asking too much.
2) He thankfully found a GF with the same mental threshold and I guarantee they will live happily ever after
1) His ability to comprehend relatively simple plot lines is asking too much.
2) He thankfully found a GF with the same mental threshold and I guarantee they will live happily ever after
Some real hyperbole.
I think it's a great movie but I feel it's a better sequel to Batman Begins than The Dark Knight in some ways. I get why some people might be disappointing in it as a sequel to The Dark Knight specifically. The presence of the Joker was so huge you can't help but feel his absence throughout when you watch them all in succession. But I'm not sure what Joker would have contributed to the story either.
The Dark Knight probably would have even worked as the conclusion to a trilogy on its own.
I will say the absolute worst moment of the movie and of the trilogy is Hathway shooting Bane. Wait, I forgot Talia's death.
I think it's a great movie but I feel it's a better sequel to Batman Begins than The Dark Knight in some ways. I get why some people might be disappointing in it as a sequel to The Dark Knight specifically. The presence of the Joker was so huge you can't help but feel his absence throughout when you watch them all in succession. But I'm not sure what Joker would have contributed to the story either.
The Dark Knight probably would have even worked as the conclusion to a trilogy on its own.
I will say the absolute worst moment of the movie and of the trilogy is Hathway shooting Bane. Wait, I forgot Talia's death.
"I missed the point of the movie!"
I too found myself clamoring for needless exposition about Harry Styles' girl back home and his postwar plans.
Nah I can think of at least a dozen worse superhero movies. I don't think DKR is even in the bottom 20.
It has it's flaws but it's no where near as you people claim. Nolan just set the bar so high with Dark Knight that there was no way he could top that so everyone just loves to shit on Rises.
It has it's flaws but it's no where near as you people claim. Nolan just set the bar so high with Dark Knight that there was no way he could top that so everyone just loves to shit on Rises.
autumnleaf
Member
It's a terrible movie made by an amazing film maker and excellent cast which almost makes something competent out of itself despite the crappy script and most of them just phoning it in.
Emulated Hype
Member
I don't think the scene was intended as an affirmation of the Patriot Act.
It was supposed to be a thematic representation of the Lucius-Caesar allegory which occurred earlier in the film when Bruce, Harvey, and Rachel were having dinner. It's very on the nose when you think about it. Lucius Fox is given overwhelming emergency powers to save the city, and once it's saved he relinquishes it.
If anything, Nolan's opinion on the matter is probably reflected in Fox's. The power shouldn't exist, it's ripe for exploitation, and any use should be relegated to the most extreme of circumstances. Fox's very own caveat to using it is that he destroys it afterward to ensure that it can't be misused in the future.
DarkJediKnight
Member
hated this! They just happened to be there at the same time?