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Goku Vs. Superman - Settled Once and For All
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Diana could have killed him right here if she wanted to.
Only time WW was cool.
Everything's better with Rucka.
zero shift
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The only thing this video showed me is how much of a disregard for physics there is in the Dragonball world and ridiculously powerful Superman is. Not in an "oh that's so cool way" but in a "that's so stupid" kind of way. He can lift more than 200 quintillion tons with one arm? Its like when two little kids get into an argument of "my superhero is better than yours" and they keep spitting out ridiculous figures. Not to mention wouldn't every punch by Superman result in like a massive galactic explosion? I'm thinking about this too much.
Also I find it a bit confusing that these super strong characters like Superman at times get beat up by people like Wonderwoman or Iron Man. I mean it makes no sense.
edit - To be fair though I can't say I'm too surprised while Goku has had one person in control of crafting him during his entire existence Superman has gone through an endless amount of diverse writers.
Also I find it a bit confusing that these super strong characters like Superman at times get beat up by people like Wonderwoman or Iron Man. I mean it makes no sense.
edit - To be fair though I can't say I'm too surprised while Goku has had one person in control of crafting him during his entire existence Superman has gone through an endless amount of diverse writers.
eBay Huckster
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Didn't that Base Kid Goku basically have pre-Crisis Superman levels of bullshit writing?
MisterHero
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Can Flash fight someone in outer space? He can timetravel and multiverse travel. Does he turn into pure Speed Force or what?
The logic in this story almost collapses on itself.
Batman barely survived a fight with Superman around that time. I don't think he was fighting that hard, considering all the other things he'd done to Doomsday.
The logic in this story almost collapses on itself.
You know what would be a fun battle to watch. Kid Buu vs Stonebreaker Juggernaut. I think Kid Buu would have a stroke because he can't do shit to Cain.
GL usually creates a road.
Manmademan
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Diana could have killed him right here if she wanted to.
Oh yeah. and just touching her sword in Kingdom Come drew blood- and THAT superman was so powerful kryptonite basically didn't work anymore.
Of course, getting hit full in the face with fucking mjolnir in JLA/Avengers just made him a little woozy for a bit. *rolleyes*
this is what I mean about writers being inconsistent re: that magical weakness.
That magic thing, though... it's not a weakness so much as a non-protection. Like, touching someone who's enchanted isn't going to give him the hives. It's just that "magic sword that cuts anything" would cut Superman just as easily as you or me because, well, he's something and doesn't have any sort of magical powers to counteract that.
Like, Captain Marvel (whose powers are magical in nature) isn't going to run circles around Superman just because he's magically empowered.
Like, Captain Marvel (whose powers are magical in nature) isn't going to run circles around Superman just because he's magically empowered.
I can cite issues where werewolves and vampires fucked supes up.
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The Everyman
they talk about this in the video, theyre talking about post 1984 superman
Manmademan
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Demons did it also in that animated series- so it's canon, just inconsistent. LOL @ werewolves, though.
Ok, what happens if someone launches a sledgehammer at your face at oh...a thousand miles an hour?
going by the wonder woman scan above, that should have killed him. crushed every bone in his face. Remember, normally superman can't even PICK UP Mjolnir. (Odin made an exception one time).
But the magic weakness was ignored for that particular fight, and that's not the only time it's happened, just the one that tends to be the most egregious.
Yeah, as someone said before, the public image of these heroes is a considerably watered down version of the comics, and many of the stories are just ignored... otherwise they'll be laughingstock rather than heroes.
With that said, I still think Goku is a better hero.
googleplex
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What kind of bullshit is this? No fucking way in hell Wonder Woman loses to Rogue.
Too bad he's such a terrible father, always the black mark on Goku for me.
I remember fucking Nappa shook the entire planet, and caused massive earthquakes by just powering up.
The justification was that Rogue touching Diana (which isn't hard considering Diana's costume) added to Rogue's already high strength.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Goku sounds so weird.
MisterHero
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She also lost to Storm in DC vs Marvel... and WW was using Mjolnir!
In both DCvM and JLA/Avengers, the laws of both universes don't work when used against each other. Flash didn't have the Speed Force in the Marvel universe. DC's Earth is larger and has "denser" physics. Darkseid acquired the Infinity Gauntlet and threw it away when he couldn't use it.
TheVampire
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It doesn't take much for DBZ characters to blow up a planet.
Vegeta and Nappa could do that at the very start of the series.
So by the end everyone is more powerfull than they were at that point so they can all do it.
They would've hit a ceiling at the 20 year mark.
Manmademan
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Eh, that's a bad argument. Diana is normally so powerful (in the thousands of tons range) that an additional 40-50 tons or so (which is where rogue usually is) wouldn't really make a difference. someone who can lift 10,000 tons vs. 10,050 is basically a stalemate.
Rogue also can't effectively drain people substantially more powerful than she is. It's failed vs. magneto a few times, and Old school Juggernaut would only be drained for a couple of seconds before his power levels kicked right back in.
DC vs. Marvel was fan voted. this is also responsible for the travesty that was lobo losing to wolverine. JLA vs. Avengers was NOT, however.
Parallax
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This post didn't get enough recognition. Its amazing
I have a problem with this. Not because the outcome is wrong, but because the ending is. Only dark Peter would willingly try to kill someone. And if it was he would have stalked and attacked Bruce Wayne. Ending it like that would leave Pete crying.
Hell yeah he is
googleplex
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Its a bullshit reason because Rogue couldn't even touch Diana. Speed of Hermes!
She faster stronger more agile and has hundreds of years of combat experience.
No matter how you slice it Rouge would get jolly stomped.
Oblivionmancer
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My absurdist, adolescent power fantasy is more awesome and extreme than yours! Woah guys, how is this conversation even any fun when approached this way, just, yuck! I don't really keep up with comics, and man, you guys are blowing my mind with this stuff. Superman is all powerful, well not really, his power is infinity, instead of infinity x12, so you know, he has some weaknesses, fo sho.
And this post killed me:
I mean, I'm sorry man, but what the hell are you talking about? Some rad dude flibbity splatted together an actual picture of Superman doing, mega-amazing impossible ultimate raditude maneuver, so we'll enter that into 'evidence,' but some character from this other show merely stating in dialogue that goku's ultimate awesomegasms have 50kajillion^99 badassimification units!? UNACCEPTABLE, throw that shit out, unadmissible!
It's too much. I'm dying. I'm dead.
And this post killed me:
I mean, I'm sorry man, but what the hell are you talking about? Some rad dude flibbity splatted together an actual picture of Superman doing, mega-amazing impossible ultimate raditude maneuver, so we'll enter that into 'evidence,' but some character from this other show merely stating in dialogue that goku's ultimate awesomegasms have 50kajillion^99 badassimification units!? UNACCEPTABLE, throw that shit out, unadmissible!
It's too much. I'm dying. I'm dead.
googleplex
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Yeah that entire event was a bull shit popularity contest. Wolverine beating Lobo? Come on son..
Manmademan
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its sort of out of character for WW to blitz an opponent right off the bat, though. Same with superman. They're more likely to tangle up close first, then try high speed tactics against hard to beat fighters. By the time it got to that point, Rogue will probably have touched her- especially since WW shows a LOT of skin.
The only people who tend to go straight for overwhelming the opponent via speed and blitz tactics are speedsters (like the flashes) since that's really all they do and they naturally think and operate at super speeds.
yup. At least Batman admitting Captain America was better than he was occurred in JLA/Avengers, as it should
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
This is Goku vs Superman, not Goku vs Captain Atom
He truly doesnt belong on earth this guy, its not even fair to any villains that he exists.
Have you been reading the New 52 run of Wonder Woman?
Why are we all hung up on Superman, we should be worrying about Kyle Rayner.
And its speculated he will have white soon as well?
Come on, you want to talk OP Lanterns are generally OP but Kyle is getting somewhere beyond now....not welcome on Earth.
MisterHero
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Of course, but the fans didn't vote on whether WW could use Mjolnir. That makes it extra special. ;P
Kyle was ION a couple times. He gave it up because he hated being everywhere at once.Why are we all hung up on Superman, we should be worrying about Kyle Rayner.
And its speculated he will have white soon as well?
Come on, you want to talk OP Lanterns are generally OP but Kyle is getting somewhere beyond now....not welcome on Earth.
Manmademan
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Of course, but the fans didn't vote on whether WW could use Mjolnir. That makes it extra special. ;P
Kyle was ION a couple times. He gave it up because he hated being everywhere at once.
WW using mjolnir makes sense though. If anyone can pick it up, she'd be the one.
It's "Death Battle." All the characters kill. Even if it doesn't make sense for them to.
Isn't the point of the storyline the picture is from that he'll be the White Lantern by mastering the entire spectrum?
HalfBakedProphet
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Why would these two fight? I feel like they'd have a lot in common and would team up
Manmademan
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Parker with Bloodlust on would be a nasty opponent. WAY too much for batman.
Hell, I'd put an enraged parker against Bruce, Dick, Tim, Jason, AND Damian combined with no issues.
they'd be dead in minutes.
zero shift
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Manmademan or Slayven:
Are there any mainline Marvel or DC characters that Goku can beat? Could he beat Thor? Wonderwoman? Flash? Batman? Spiderman? Captain America? Iron Man? Hulk?
Are there any anime characters that can take on Superman and/or the high end Marvel/DC characters?
Are there any mainline Marvel or DC characters that Goku can beat? Could he beat Thor? Wonderwoman? Flash? Batman? Spiderman? Captain America? Iron Man? Hulk?
Are there any anime characters that can take on Superman and/or the high end Marvel/DC characters?
Never. You say that only because he became a joke character in DBZ. At "13 years old" and with only several months of training, Krillin was already stronger than almost every man on Earth. By the Cell Saga, he was powerful enough to destroy planets.
I say "13 years old," because Krillin and Guku (12) in early DB look much younger than that (5-7 years old?). Akira Toriyama really didn't think some things through carefully. Goku was 14 in the early volumes but then he started introducing other teen characters (Yamcha) close in age that looked a lot taller and older. AT seemingly did some self-correction by later having Goku claim he didn't know how to count properly until Roshi's fight training (with a side of education just for Goku).
Chuck Norris
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Supes got his ass killed by Doomsday. Much weaker than given credit for.
Manmademan
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Goku could take most mainline marvel and DC characters, up to a point. most of them don't have that kind of speed and strength.
Thor? probably not. That hammer is as versatile as a lantern ring.
Wonderwoman? probably- oh wait, not if she has that lasso.
Flash? Hell no, haven't you been paying attention?
Batman would be dead in seconds.
Captain america? same as above.
Iron man? tough call. With prep Tony can squeak out a win- he has some really nasty equipment. probably Goku more often than not though.
Hulk? no. Hulk has a ridiculous healing factor, practically infinite strength, and superspeed reflexes. Goku doesn't have the muscle to put down an enraged hulk.
I don't know enough about anime to say for certain, though when I usually quote "high end" characters it's usually shit like Galactus or The Spectre or 5th dimensional imps and you're not defeating those without a plot device.
Doomsday would kill Goku just as fast. That was a long time ago anyway, and Superman came back much stronger after death, btw.
This, and Doomsday is far from planet busting. Krillin would one shot Doomsday. In the end Supes' powers fluctuates as much as the number of writers who write him.
First question: lol, what? The only person Goku couldn't beat on your list is Thor, Flash, and MAYBE Hulk...depends on which version. He rapes the rest.
Second question, is Tenchi, from Tenchi Muyo. The only Marvel character that could beat Tenchi would be the Living Tribunal and The-One-Above-All.
Also ZeedMilleniummon from Digimon would stomp 95 percent of the DC/Marvel Verse.
HalfBakedProphet
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