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[kehs]

it'll represent the state of jelly bean when it is released.

So do you feel Jelly Bean is just going to be an incremental/stop gap update sort of ICS/Jelly Bean Froyo/GB until 5.0?

Stop gap? Definitely not after honeycomb fiasco. It'll definitely be incremental like froyo-gingerbread.

ICS isn't even the most popular android release and the only way they can iterate and have significatant people on the newest release is to do a 1.0 release every two years

Each major release has added stuff that wasn't possible on the previous hardware/release, so I don't think they're concerned about having a certain amount of users on a certain version before moving on.

 

[Vanillalite]

Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.

 

[RoadHazard]

Yeah. I think the big feature of stock 4.1 might be Google handling the updates. A huge, huge feature to us geeks but not really a glamour feature worthy of a full version bump.

Huh? What updates? Android updates? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Are you talking about other devices? Am I being stupid?

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

They're certainly not under pressure from Apple or Microsoft.

I beg to differ I think Microsoft has done quite well. Apple are refining a successful product and so are most likely scared of breaking what works for them.

Above poster is holding on to the hope that Google will handle all updates for all android phones. Don't think that will happen as part of the reason Travis and manufacturers are liking android so much is the autonomy and the ability to differentiate products. Including g the fact that all phones run on such different hardware Google would ha e to spend an inordinate amount t of to.e customizing each release for various models.

 

[Jayayess1190]

Huh? What does that mean? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following!

Be like Windows Phone.

 

[Vanillalite]

Huh? What does that mean? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Am I being stupid here?

Well MS announced a way for WP8 devices to opt out of carrier approved updated and get stuff straight from them for their phones. Google might announce the same.

 

[Vanillalite]

BTW I highly recommend Android die hards to reads this article about the newer Linux Kernels and the Android code merge.

LWN Article on the Android Code Merge!!

 

[RoadHazard]

Be like Windows Phone.

Oooh... But wouldn't that mean OEMs would have to give up on destroying the Android experience with various superflous crap? Surely they wouldn't go for that?

Well MS announced a way for WP8 devices to opt out of carrier approved updated and get stuff straight from them for their phones. Google might announce the same.

Yeah, ok, but W7 (and 8, I guess) doesn't allow OEMs and carriers to skin the hell out of the GUI like Android does. So unless Google is totally changing things up, I don't really see how that would work. If any user on any phone could just opt out of TouchWiz or Sense or whatever, would the OEMs really be happy about that? Also, how could Google manage updating all the 123854 different devices with different configurations out there?

 

[kehs]

Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.

Yup, this paired with Intel hanging around Google for the past year and a half is another reason I think JB is going to focus on desktop/netbook/laptop market. Thanks for the article too, hadn't come across it.

Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.

Google's moving away from sd cards unfortunately.. However you can always grab a small external drive and plug it in via usb/adapter.

 

[Cheebo]

Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.

 

[Polari]

Yeah. I think the big feature of stock 4.1 might be Google handling the updates. A huge, huge feature to us geeks but not really a glamour feature worthy of a full version bump.

I don't really see how they can possibly do that. Will they make Android more modular? Possibly. I think the Chrome browser is probably a nod to that direction but that approach still has its limitations.

 

[Polari]

Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.

Neither the Nexus S nor the Galaxy Nexus have microSD slots.

 

[Bollocks]

Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.

It's all in the cloud

 

[RoadHazard]

It's all in the cloud

Yeah, well, they better start bringing that cloud to the little part of the world called "not the US" if they want to seem credible when they say things like that. Come on Google, knock the ball out of the park tomorrow by announcing world-wide availability of Play Music, Movies and Books! (Haha, yeah, right...)

 

[Dizzan]

It's all in the cloud

I want to believe in the cloud but for now, while travelling, data limits and data streaming speeds are prohibited whilst travelling.

 

[Dizzan]

Yeah, well, they better start bringing that cloud to the little part of the world called "not the US" if they want to seem credible when they say things like that. Come on Google, knock the ball out of the park tomorrow by announcing world-wide availability of Play Music, Movies and Books! (Haha, yeah, right...)

Haha I just want Music for now.

And eventually TV shows and purchases of Movies, not just rentals as it currently stands.

 

[rozay]

Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.

you should just bring multiple iPads, it's a more elegant solution!

in all seriousness though, something tells me that this won't support microSD cards because
a)they want you to believe the cloud is a viable replacement
b)probably no removable back/battery
c)same storage method as galaxy nexus to prevent out of memory errors for system apps

 

[Doopliss]

Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.

Only some parts have been merged. There are still differences.

Wiki page on the project.

 

[DarkFlow]

Oooh... But wouldn't that mean OEMs would have to give up on destroying the Android experience with various superflous crap? Surely they wouldn't go for that?



Yeah, ok, but W7 (and 8, I guess) doesn't allow OEMs and carriers to skin the hell out of the GUI like Android does. So unless Google is totally changing things up, I don't really see how that would work. If any user on any phone could just opt out of TouchWiz or Sense or whatever, would the OEMs really be happy about that? Also, how could Google manage updating all the 123854 different devices with different configurations out there?

It's not like the OEMs at this point would have much of a choice. Android phones make up a huge amount of money for Samsung and HTC so they can't just stop making them if Google went that route. What would they turn too, windows phone? I could see that working out well.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

BTW I highly recommend Android die hards to reads this article about the newer Linux Kernels and the Android code merge.

LWN Article on the Android Code Merge!!

Ooh, thanks dude.

 

[Ashhong]

iirc Att disabled NFC for the S2. There is a work around that re enabled it (ICS roms have nfc enabled by default), but the S2 lacks an embedded secure element which makes it incompatible with Gwallet.

No you're right, but I don't use ATT roms CM9 has gotten NFC to work but Google Wallet doesn't because of what you stated. However some people are supposedly close to finding a solution.

 

[RoadHazard]

It's not like the OEMs at this point would have much of a choice. Android phones make up a huge amount of money for Samsung and HTC so they can't just stop making them if Google went that route. What would they turn too, windows phone? I could see that working out well.

Well, there has been talk of Samsung walking out on Android (or perhaps forking it and making their own thing, like Amazon, free of Google's control and ecosystem), but I don't know if there's anything to that.

 

[Vanillalite]

Only some parts have been merged. There are still differences.

Wiki page on the project.

Actually while that's true that wiki is woefully out of date. They even mention in the article it hasn't been updated to 3.3 progress.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

How I see it: Google would control updates for stock/Google Experience phones, basically like the Google Play version of the Galaxy Nexus. Skinned phones would be outside Google's jurisdiction and responsibility.

Then Motorola would start making stock-only phones. Not necessarily Nexus, their Droid line is pretty lucrative still.

 

[kehs]

Not enough leaks, and were half day away.

Did Google take a note from MS and is planning to unveil ICS on a tablet that can already exist?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

http://gigaom.com/2012/06/26/skype-webrtc-web-client/

If Microsoft-controlled Skype goes with WebRTC, then isn't WebM in Internet Explorer an inevitability? WebRTC uses VP8, same as WebM.

 

[Polari]

How I see it: Google would control updates for stock/Google Experience phones, basically like the Google Play version of the Galaxy Nexus. Skinned phones would be outside Google's jurisdiction and responsibility.

Then Motorola would start making stock-only phones. Not necessarily Nexus, their Droid line is pretty lucrative still.

I don't really see how this would be a significant improvement to what currently happens. Also, does Google really want to potentially risk the wrath of carriers? I think you're right in that Motorola will ship stock from now on though and the range of Nexus phones might expand if that NYT rumour is correct, so Moto and more Nexus phones will mean timely updates for more users and hopefully light a fire under the asses of Samsung etc. I think going forward Android will become increasingly modular too.

 

[giga]

WSJ just confirmed a tablet and siri clone in jelly belly. Also some hoohaa about Google+ apps.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Is tomorrow the Android keynote? In the past, they've done ChromeOS first, which was snore-worthy.

 

[DarkFlow]

Well, there has been talk of Samsung walking out on Android (or perhaps forking it and making their own thing, like Amazon, free of Google's control and ecosystem), but I don't know if there's anything to that.

Yeah they can fork all they want, but people want Android, not the brand who makes the phone. At least I hope so. Google really is in control if they wanted to do there own updated because really, they don't have any other viable options.

 

[kehs]

Is tomorrow the Android keynote? In the past, they've done ChromeOS first, which was snore-worthy.

Single keynote.


giga, again with the no links....that's a banning.

 

[Ripclawe]

The new tablet will run Google's newest version of Android, called Jelly Bean. Google is expected to unveil Jelly Bean at the conference this week and show off its new features. One of those features is a voice-activated "assistant," similar to Apple's Siri service on the iPhone, people familiar with the matter have said.

Google also is expected to announce that it will let developers create apps that could run on top of its Google+ social network, similar to the apps that run on top of Facebook Inc.'s FB +3.24% network, said one of the people familiar with the matter. Google+ now allows only certain game apps on its network.

nice

 

[SimleuqiR]

Saw this on Reddit

Nexus? Nexus Tablet most likely!

^_^

 

[rozay]

I'm not really sure how useful assistant will be on a wifi-only tablet

 

[kehs]

If google doesn't push an tablet layout for G+ tomorrow....I swear to...

 

[SimleuqiR]

If google doesn't push an tablet layout for G+ tomorrow....I swear to...

Edit

Batman... Being a dick as usual

 

[r1chard]

If google doesn't push an tablet layout for G+ tomorrow....I swear to...

Oh gods yes.

 

[bean breath]

How long do you guys think it'll take for the tablet to go on sale?

 

[Nakazato]

How long do you guys think it'll take for the tablet to go on sale?

with in the week is my guess

 

[RoadHazard]

I'm not really sure how useful assistant will be on a wifi-only tablet

Well... would you actually use it in a location where you don't have Wi-Fi anyway? Do iPhone users use Siri when they're out among people? I would feel pretty silly doing that. So, for navigation in your car I guess? Well, a phone such as the GNex seems like a better candidate for that anyway, I'd think. Other than that, it just seems like it could be a faster way to get certain things done if it works properly.

BTW, I wonder if this app will be allowed to remain in the store if Google's solution is actually called Assistant? Does the same thing (but worse than Google's service will, I'm sure), and is called the exact thing.

 

[killakiz]

Well MS announced a way for WP8 devices to opt out of carrier approved updated and get stuff straight from them for their phones. Google might announce the same.

Microsoft test phone updates with carries before release. So does Apple.

 

[3phemeral]

What in the hell. This thread is now popping up with some exploit warning from AVG:

www.shamoozal.com/dick.jpg

Exploit Blackhole Exploit Kit (type 2007)

[edit] If the pic link is the offending image, I don't know what post is producing it.

 

[Vanillalite]

Microsoft test phone updates with carries before release. So does Apple.

Yeah... what are you getting at here?

 

[jokkir]

What do you guys think will be in Jellybean? I say status bar toggles.

Only thing I can't think of >__>

 

[Bboy AJ]

Excited but also not really. ICS was a game changer for me. JB will be a nice improvement but nothing like ICS. ICS really matured the OS. I can't stand looking at GB anymore, with its hideous design.

Looking forward to the voice assistant.

 

[kehs]

Yeah... what are you getting at here?

I think they mentioned during the even that they'd be having a beta testing program, and that's what Ars was alluding to, and not an actual relief from tyranny.

 

[Sanjuro]

Do iPhone users use Siri when they're out among people?

Yes.

 

[Phoenix]

Huh? What updates? Android updates? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Are you talking about other devices? Am I being stupid?

Carriers handle updates and push them to devices which is why only 7% of Android devices are running ICS to begin with. Google taking over the update process would be good, but its going to be a PITA in a lot of ways as well since every major variant of Android is doing an increasing amount of custom UI and integration work that will get blown away in underlying OS upgrades.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Single keynote.

Dual keynote. Check the OP.

nice

Totally called the G+ apps thing!

 

[RobotChant]

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