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DMPrince said:
it'll represent the state of jelly bean when it is released.
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Brettison said:
So do you feel Jelly Bean is just going to be an incremental/stop gap update sort of ICS/Jelly Bean Froyo/GB until 5.0?
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Stop gap? Definitely not after honeycomb fiasco. It'll definitely be incremental like froyo-gingerbread.

Technosteve said:
ICS isn't even the most popular android release and the only way they can iterate and have significatant people on the newest release is to do a 1.0 release every two years
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Each major release has added stuff that wasn't possible on the previous hardware/release, so I don't think they're concerned about having a certain amount of users on a certain version before moving on.
 
Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.
 
Andrex said:
Yeah. I think the big feature of stock 4.1 might be Google handling the updates. A huge, huge feature to us geeks but not really a glamour feature worthy of a full version bump.
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Huh? What updates? Android updates? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Are you talking about other devices? Am I being stupid?
 
brotkasten said:
They're certainly not under pressure from Apple or Microsoft.
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I beg to differ I think Microsoft has done quite well. Apple are refining a successful product and so are most likely scared of breaking what works for them.

Above poster is holding on to the hope that Google will handle all updates for all android phones. Don't think that will happen as part of the reason Travis and manufacturers are liking android so much is the autonomy and the ability to differentiate products. Including g the fact that all phones run on such different hardware Google would ha e to spend an inordinate amount t of to.e customizing each release for various models.
 
RoadHazard said:
Huh? What does that mean? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Am I being stupid here?
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Well MS announced a way for WP8 devices to opt out of carrier approved updated and get stuff straight from them for their phones. Google might announce the same.
 
Jayayess1190 said:
Be like Windows Phone.
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Oooh... But wouldn't that mean OEMs would have to give up on destroying the Android experience with various superflous crap? Surely they wouldn't go for that?

Brettison said:
Well MS announced a way for WP8 devices to opt out of carrier approved updated and get stuff straight from them for their phones. Google might announce the same.
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Yeah, ok, but W7 (and 8, I guess) doesn't allow OEMs and carriers to skin the hell out of the GUI like Android does. So unless Google is totally changing things up, I don't really see how that would work. If any user on any phone could just opt out of TouchWiz or Sense or whatever, would the OEMs really be happy about that? Also, how could Google manage updating all the 123854 different devices with different configurations out there?
 
Brettison said:
Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.
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Yup, this paired with Intel hanging around Google for the past year and a half is another reason I think JB is going to focus on desktop/netbook/laptop market. Thanks for the article too, hadn't come across it.

Cheebo said:
Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? :( I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.
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Google's moving away from sd cards unfortunately.. However you can always grab a small external drive and plug it in via usb/adapter.
 
Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? :( I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.
 
Andrex said:
Yeah. I think the big feature of stock 4.1 might be Google handling the updates. A huge, huge feature to us geeks but not really a glamour feature worthy of a full version bump.
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I don't really see how they can possibly do that. Will they make Android more modular? Possibly. I think the Chrome browser is probably a nod to that direction but that approach still has its limitations.
 
Cheebo said:
Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? :( I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.
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Neither the Nexus S nor the Galaxy Nexus have microSD slots. :(
 
Cheebo said:
Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? :( I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.
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It's all in the cloud
 
Bollocks said:
It's all in the cloud
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Yeah, well, they better start bringing that cloud to the little part of the world called "not the US" if they want to seem credible when they say things like that. Come on Google, knock the ball out of the park tomorrow by announcing world-wide availability of Play Music, Movies and Books! (Haha, yeah, right...)
 
RoadHazard said:
Yeah, well, they better start bringing that cloud to the little part of the world called "not the US" if they want to seem credible when they say things like that. Come on Google, knock the ball out of the park tomorrow by announcing world-wide availability of Play Music, Movies and Books! (Haha, yeah, right...)
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Haha I just want Music for now.

And eventually TV shows and purchases of Movies, not just rentals as it currently stands.
 
Cheebo said:
Please tell me Google wouldn't be crazy enough to not put a microSD card slot in their tablet right? With a 16 gb limit...right? :( I love my iPad 3 but I would really like to have a nice little 7 inch tablet with expandable memory to complement it. Putting my movie collection onto a bunch of microsd cards wit a tiny tablet would be fantastic for traveling. And there really to my knowledge no good solutions for that currently.
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you should just bring multiple iPads, it's a more elegant solution!

in all seriousness though, something tells me that this won't support microSD cards because
a)they want you to believe the cloud is a viable replacement
b)probably no removable back/battery
c)same storage method as galaxy nexus to prevent out of memory errors for system apps
 
Brettison said:
Hey one thing I'd like to point out because this comes from a different angle than most of you people probably follow, but if everything points to (unless JB's been really done for a while) this should be the 1st Android release where they have officially merged Android back into the base Linux Kernel. Linux Kernel 3.3 brought this about after years of all kinds of shit going down.
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Only some parts have been merged. There are still differences.

Wiki page on the project.
 
RoadHazard said:
Oooh... But wouldn't that mean OEMs would have to give up on destroying the Android experience with various superflous crap? Surely they wouldn't go for that?



Yeah, ok, but W7 (and 8, I guess) doesn't allow OEMs and carriers to skin the hell out of the GUI like Android does. So unless Google is totally changing things up, I don't really see how that would work. If any user on any phone could just opt out of TouchWiz or Sense or whatever, would the OEMs really be happy about that? Also, how could Google manage updating all the 123854 different devices with different configurations out there?
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It's not like the OEMs at this point would have much of a choice. Android phones make up a huge amount of money for Samsung and HTC so they can't just stop making them if Google went that route. What would they turn too, windows phone? I could see that working out well.
 
RobotChant said:
iirc Att disabled NFC for the S2. There is a work around that re enabled it (ICS roms have nfc enabled by default), but the S2 lacks an embedded secure element which makes it incompatible with Gwallet.
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No you're right, but I don't use ATT roms :) CM9 has gotten NFC to work but Google Wallet doesn't because of what you stated. However some people are supposedly close to finding a solution.
 
DarkFlow83 said:
It's not like the OEMs at this point would have much of a choice. Android phones make up a huge amount of money for Samsung and HTC so they can't just stop making them if Google went that route. What would they turn too, windows phone? I could see that working out well.
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Well, there has been talk of Samsung walking out on Android (or perhaps forking it and making their own thing, like Amazon, free of Google's control and ecosystem), but I don't know if there's anything to that.
 
How I see it: Google would control updates for stock/Google Experience phones, basically like the Google Play version of the Galaxy Nexus. Skinned phones would be outside Google's jurisdiction and responsibility.

Then Motorola would start making stock-only phones. Not necessarily Nexus, their Droid line is pretty lucrative still.
 
Not enough leaks, and were half day away.

Did Google take a note from MS and is planning to unveil ICS on a tablet that can already exist?
 
Andrex said:
How I see it: Google would control updates for stock/Google Experience phones, basically like the Google Play version of the Galaxy Nexus. Skinned phones would be outside Google's jurisdiction and responsibility.

Then Motorola would start making stock-only phones. Not necessarily Nexus, their Droid line is pretty lucrative still.
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I don't really see how this would be a significant improvement to what currently happens. Also, does Google really want to potentially risk the wrath of carriers? I think you're right in that Motorola will ship stock from now on though and the range of Nexus phones might expand if that NYT rumour is correct, so Moto and more Nexus phones will mean timely updates for more users and hopefully light a fire under the asses of Samsung etc. I think going forward Android will become increasingly modular too.
 
RoadHazard said:
Well, there has been talk of Samsung walking out on Android (or perhaps forking it and making their own thing, like Amazon, free of Google's control and ecosystem), but I don't know if there's anything to that.
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Yeah they can fork all they want, but people want Android, not the brand who makes the phone. At least I hope so. Google really is in control if they wanted to do there own updated because really, they don't have any other viable options.
 
The new tablet will run Google's newest version of Android, called Jelly Bean. Google is expected to unveil Jelly Bean at the conference this week and show off its new features. One of those features is a voice-activated "assistant," similar to Apple's Siri service on the iPhone, people familiar with the matter have said.
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Google also is expected to announce that it will let developers create apps that could run on top of its Google+ social network, similar to the apps that run on top of Facebook Inc.'s FB +3.24% network, said one of the people familiar with the matter. Google+ now allows only certain game apps on its network.
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nice
 
rozay said:
I'm not really sure how useful assistant will be on a wifi-only tablet
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Well... would you actually use it in a location where you don't have Wi-Fi anyway? Do iPhone users use Siri when they're out among people? I would feel pretty silly doing that. So, for navigation in your car I guess? Well, a phone such as the GNex seems like a better candidate for that anyway, I'd think. Other than that, it just seems like it could be a faster way to get certain things done if it works properly.

BTW, I wonder if this app will be allowed to remain in the store if Google's solution is actually called Assistant? Does the same thing (but worse than Google's service will, I'm sure), and is called the exact thing.
 
Excited but also not really. ICS was a game changer for me. JB will be a nice improvement but nothing like ICS. ICS really matured the OS. I can't stand looking at GB anymore, with its hideous design.

Looking forward to the voice assistant.
 
RoadHazard said:
Huh? What updates? Android updates? They already do that for stock ICS on the Nexus (unless you get a Samsung-cursed one, but that you can fix), so... I'm not following! Are you talking about other devices? Am I being stupid?
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Carriers handle updates and push them to devices which is why only 7% of Android devices are running ICS to begin with. Google taking over the update process would be good, but its going to be a PITA in a lot of ways as well since every major variant of Android is doing an increasing amount of custom UI and integration work that will get blown away in underlying OS upgrades.
 
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