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GOP Primary Debate #3 |CNBC| Burning Bush

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Looks like it only got 14 million viewers.

Even I barely tuned in considering there was other stuff to watch that night. The spectacle is over.

It's a record for CNBC though. But yeah the World Series definitely cut into it. Plus CNBC has shitty streaming restrictions.

Still, the average for the previous GOP debates was 5 million so the Trump show is still raking them in.
 

Putzweg

Member
It seemed like a complete set up of Bush.

Leak the question to the Bush camp so that they prepare a canned attack.

Knowing that the question has been leaked to the Bush camp Rubio prepares a counter attack.

I mean seriously whats the odds that first of all Bush had a canned routine on bashing Rubio. Secondly why would Rubio have a perfect (albeit stupid) counter-attack tailormade against Bush.

If the question was not leaked, i gotta hand it to camp Rubio. There reasoning must have been "this will show up and when it do, what do we do if Bush jumps on it? Lets find a counter"
 
The debate aired at the same time as the World Series, Survivor, ABC's sitcoms, and American Horror Story. I'm not surprised by the lower numbers, especially since CNBC is a terrible network that many people don't have access to. Seriously, no online stream?
 

Blader

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The debate aired at the same time as the World Series, Survivor, ABC's sitcoms, and American Horror Story. I'm not surprised by the lower numbers, especially since CNBC is a terrible network that many people don't have access to. Seriously, no online stream?

People still watch that shit?
 

pigeon

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It seemed like a complete set up of Bush.

Leak the question to the Bush camp so that they prepare a canned attack.

Knowing that the question has been leaked to the Bush camp Rubio prepares a counter attack.

I mean seriously whats the odds that first of all Bush had a canned routine on bashing Rubio. Secondly why would Rubio have a perfect (albeit stupid) counter-attack tailormade against Bush.

If the question was not leaked, i gotta hand it to camp Rubio. There reasoning must have been "this will show up and when it do, what do we do if Bush jumps on it? Lets find a counter"

Bush had actually been launching attacks at Rubio over this issue for the whole preceding week. It's not surprising at all that Rubio prepped something specific for this issue (the John McCain line) as well as a general defense against attacks ("you're attacking me because you think it''ll help you").

Rubio's just got the best debate prep, but it was also a heavily telegraphed punch from Jeb. He's not exactly agile.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
It seems clear the moderators weren't prepared for the candidates to just blatantly lie.

Which on one hand seems reasonable, but on the other hand have they not watched any GOP debates?

This. They needed better and more immediate challenges to the lies like Carson's ads with that "drug" company.
 

jmdajr

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Watched the whole thing and found it pretty entertaining.

Cruz - for some reason I like him. Perhaps it's his authenticity, his balls, feels like he will never ever stop and I admire or am fascinated by anyone with that fanatical zeal.

At least he's down with NASA. Or so he says.
 

Blader

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Well, the Jerk Store called and they're running out of you!

Jeb doesn't have the wits to actually debate like that. Would've shut down Rubio fast, though, if he did.

Basically. "All Jeb had to do was say this" is like tantamount to "all Jeb needed was a completely different personality and he would've fared better."
 

Bowler

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Great response bruh.

"These candidates can't handle simple questions about their own policies."
"U mad?"

That was a response to someone whos post was littered with 9 fuck words. Rolleyes

I guess I should of known that posting in here when there is maybe a total of 5 gaf members that can actually vote in the primary
 
That was a response to someone whos post was littered with 9 fuck words. Rolleyes

I guess I should of known that posting in here when there is maybe a total of 5 gaf members that can actually vote in the primary

lol so your critique isn't with the message but the delivery? By the way, didn't seem like anyone at this debate talked about all that stuff you said Republicans actually believe in that thread. Also, it's SHOULD HAVE known, not of.
 

Tom_Cody

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All Jeb had to do was to say this:

Jeb Bush does not improvise.

His confrontation with Marco Rubio did not have to end badly for him. When Marco Rubio brushed off criticism of Rubio’s absenteeism from the Senate by invoking John McCain, Bush could have hit back hard. “Seriously Marco? You’re comparing yourself to John McCain? McCain is an American hero, he’s chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, he created the 9/11 commission, he’s written more laws than you’ve read. The problem is not just that you’re away a lot ... the problem is that you don’t do anything even when you’re there. Frankly, you’ve never done anything.” Then—sticking the knife in—“Why Marco, you even failed to pass the immigration amnesty deal you co-wrote with Chuck Schumer.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'esprit_de_l'escalier
 
That was a response to someone whos post was littered with 9 fuck words. Rolleyes

I guess I should of known that posting in here when there is maybe a total of 5 gaf members that can actually vote in the primary

There were plenty of other responses to your post that you could've replied to. You chose to respond to that one by not addressing the actual point of the post. And you're still ignoring the point those posts were making, but maybe it's just easier for you to ignore it and waste time critiquing the language used.

And who can participate in primaries depends on the state. Some states allow anyone to participate. Dunno what that has to do with the discussion here though.
 
HOLY SHIT. PLEASE tell me that's not an actual transcript from the debate. :LOL :LOL

Real Rick James: See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on. I got a little more sense then that.
[pause]
Real Rick James: Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.
 
That was a response to someone whos post was littered with 9 fuck words. Rolleyes

I guess I should of known that posting in here when there is maybe a total of 5 gaf members that can actually vote in the primary
Maybe join a pg-13, family friendly, disney forum if looking at the word "fuck" rustles your jimmies? Care to comment on the content rather than the delivery? Because "umadbro" is not considered a response.
 
If Carly isn't the nom, someone better pick her up for VP. They're going to need her to be the attack dog against hilldawg.

I don't know. Glenn Beck keeps saying Carly would destroy Hillary in a debate but I find that laughable. Carly has horrible fact skills and her corporate record will get shredded in the general.
 
If Carly isn't the nom, someone better pick her up for VP. They're going to need her to be the attack dog against hilldawg.

Pff, that's just what she wants people to think (as shown by her closing remarks). How does she actually have any advantage against Hillary in a debate? History shows Fiorina isn't very strong at debating.

Carly couldn't destroy Barbara "joke killer" Boxer, let alone HRC.

Exactly.
 

Bowler

Member
I don't know. Glenn Beck keeps saying Carly would destroy Hillary in a debate but I find that laughable. Carly has horrible fact skills and her corporate record will get shredded in the general.

I agree, while she is very articulate, she has so much baggage that she just left on the airport conveyor belt.
 

Slayven

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Still with the non-response. Why are you even posting in here?



Too early. We only have online polls right now, which don't really tell us much. Drudge Report poll had 60% saying Trump won. We should get real polls next week.
I am always shocked Drudge still exists. It is the Geocitiies of Poltico sites.
 
BTW Christie kept calling the democrats socialists. Christie socialist disability program in New Jersey. Everyone who receives a paycheck in New Jersey has money taken out for the few who may need income while on a medical or a family disability.

That's used most frequently for paid maternity and Paternity leave...though I'm sure you knew this given your username...
 
Seems like an odd question. What makes you think the Bush campaign thinks that? You think a campaign presumes to be the nominee when they recently had to slash staffer wages?

Of course not. They know they are in trouble. Very deep trouble.

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Polls don't mean shit when Carson is still polling at the top in Iowa. He's not a serious candidate.

You realize Santorum won Iowa right? That place is filthy with evangelical voters and it's a caucus state. I'd be shocked if anyone BUT Carson won it.


Hillary doesn't really seem that capable and prepared now. She was squirming in a lot of situations during the last debate. It's easy to dismiss the LOLBENGHAZI bullshit that the hardcore right loves to bring up against Hillary, there's still a lot of negative favorability associated with her. I think the email servers issue is yet to completely rear its ugly head as it is actually a separate issue than the Benghazi conspiracy theories.

The last big "word association" poll that Quinnipiac released had Clinton more associated with the words "liar, untrustworthy, and dishonest." It also had her favorability/unfavorability ratings at 39% positive 51% negative. Rubio's were 41% positive, 27% negative, having him as the second highest favorability rating among (potential) nominee at the time. First place? Joe Biden.



It's also amusing to see who puts weight into early head-to-head polls. But if you want to look at that stuff, there are plenty that put Rubio ahead or within points of Clinton. There's still far too much noise with the other primary candidates to properly look at that stuff though.

Favorability is meaningless when translating to actual votes. As for Rubio, his negligible polling with hispanics has been going on for YEARS now:

The Latino Decisions analysis pointed to polling done on the eve of last year’s election of 4,200 Hispanic voters, and found 31 percent had a favorable view of Mr. Rubio, compared to 36 percent who had an unfavorable view. Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton was viewed favorably by 64 percent of Hispanics in that same poll.

Familiarity didn’t help Mr. Rubio much. In his home state of Florida, he was viewed favorably by 39 percent of Hispanics and unfavorably by 42 percent, the pollsters said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/12/marco-rubio-unlikely-to-earn-gop-new-hispanic-fans/?page=all

When asked who they would support if the 2016 presidential election were today, no more than 28% supported Rubio, no more than 25% supported Ryan, and no more than 30% supported Bush. On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton is the runaway favorite among Latinos, and would take anywhere from 66% to 74% of the Latino vote if the election were today.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/07/03/poll_rubio_support_among_hispanic_voters_is_only_one_point_ahead_of_romney.html

Indeed, early polling suggests that Rubio would have little effect on the GOP’s share of the Hispanic vote. In the latest McClatchy-Marist poll, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are evenly matched in a head-to-head match-up, 46 percent to 44 percent. The more important thing, however, is that Romney beats Obama among Latinos, 48 percent to 37 percent.

That changes when you add Rubio and Biden to the ticket, respectively. In that scenario, Obama takes 50 percent of the Latino vote—a 13 point gain—while Romney’s performances drops by 2 percent. Of course, the usual caveats apply—slight differences in sampling can result in big changes in poll results. Still, it says something that Romney loses support when Rubio is on the ticket.

http://prospect.org/article/will-marco-rubio-win-latino-votes-probably-not

Rubio has NEVER had any significant pull with Hispanic Voters. Ever. He's tied to the republican party, and the party's positions are so toxic it doesn't matter what his ethnicity is. Saying they're somehow going to flock to him is the same kind of quasi-racist logic that says Black voters will somehow turn out for republican politicians like Alan Keyes, Herman Cain, or Ben Carson.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Ben Carson endorsing the company that he had no involvement with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQSoHRwtwvI

Skip to 3:20 for a flat out endorsement.



It's not true, the mainstream media made that fake video over a year ago in preparation for fighting Dr. Carson's campaign to be President yesterday. That has to be the truth here, I mean why would Dr. Carson lie on worldwide TV like that?


Sadly, I'm certain that's what an awful lot of Republican voters believe right now....


Hah, this video showcasing the absurdity of Carson's lie, LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmN6qCf3j4E
 
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