Believe it or not, I made a meme last year for gaf using matrix awakens footage to call out Jimbo's lies about cross gen.He readSlimySnake 's comment on spiderman 2 visuals i think
I said dozens/hundred between npcs and cars, it is still way more than what a small game has to render.
Even a couple dozen in game isnt really all that impressive. And they dont calculate that when your not present. Idk gta 5 on pc has a shit ton of cars and npcs on screen when modded amd it doesnt seem to stress even old ass hardware.
I'm not hand waving, i asked for more physics in vg since forever.
I know you and me on same page. Your my physics brother in arms
. I just get triggered by seeing open world get brought up so often.
Some, not all.
Like i said, you can scale down many things, but not core elements of the game that are there in the first place BECAUSE they made the game around 30 fps.
U can tell right away the matrix demo is 30fps target(well below quite often even), and same way u can tell its next gen af, so 100% agree, or like on ps4 u had the order 1886, 30fps with black bars, corridor shooter, just to make sure all the hardware power goes into bells and whistles.
Maybe you are right but to me aw2 doesn't look nearly good enough to use the 30 fps just to pump the graphic, it looks like yet another great looking crossgen game.
Honestly, those screenshots are quite incredible.
But just to put it in perspective, here are some spiderman 2 comparisons.
Insomniac needs to throw this engine in the trash. And then set that trash on fire. And finally scatter the ashes in the Mississippi river. Then nuke Mississippi just to be sure.
If sony doesnt want to pay Epic the insane 12% cut they are asking for then go and make Decima the goto engine for ALL Sony studios. Do what EA did with Frostbite, but instead make it an engine that EVERYONE at sony can modify and improve. I loved what KojiPro did with the Decima engine. They were doing their own commits instead of simply borrowing the engine. they helped develop it. And looking at how beautiful the cimematics looked in HFW, it's obvious that GG benefitted from KojiPro's changes. I want ND, SSM, Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Bluepoint ALL working together to make Decima as good if not better than UE5. I want ND's motion matching, Insomniac's Ray traced reflections, GG's character models, Sucker Punch's foliage all in SSM's next game.
Use the PS5 geometry engine, primitive shaders, and all that IO to maximize its potential. Get something like Nanite in there. It is obvious that after three years, Sucker Punch and ND are not even close to showing their next game because of all the backend work needed to get each engine these so-called next gen features. No, have ONE engine so that when one team implements ray traced reflection or realtime GI or physics, everyone gets it automatically.
CD project has realized that despite having a great engine, the time needed to get these features in is time that couldve been spent on making the actual game. lets hope sony devs realize this.
Yeah I wasn’t that impressed by that clip either. And I think it was running on PC cuz you can clearly see the mouse cursor when they die and restart the mission. For some reason in the other clips the game looked more refined.
What is so special about sucker punch foliage? You included them, but not bend that made a better looking game in their first experience on ps4?Honestly, those screenshots are quite incredible.
But just to put it in perspective, here are some spiderman 2 comparisons.
Insomniac needs to throw this engine in the trash. And then set that trash on fire. And finally scatter the ashes in the Mississippi river. Then nuke Mississippi just to be sure.
If sony doesnt want to pay Epic the insane 12% cut they are asking for then go and make Decima the goto engine for ALL Sony studios. Do what EA did with Frostbite, but instead make it an engine that EVERYONE at sony can modify and improve. I loved what KojiPro did with the Decima engine. They were doing their own commits instead of simply borrowing the engine. they helped develop it. And looking at how beautiful the cimematics looked in HFW, it's obvious that GG benefitted from KojiPro's changes. I want ND, SSM, Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Bluepoint ALL working together to make Decima as good if not better than UE5. I want ND's motion matching, Insomniac's Ray traced reflections, GG's character models, Sucker Punch's foliage all in SSM's next game.
Use the PS5 geometry engine, primitive shaders, and all that IO to maximize its potential. Get something like Nanite in there. It is obvious that after three years, Sucker Punch and ND are not even close to showing their next game because of all the backend work needed to get each engine these so-called next gen features. No, have ONE engine so that when one team implements ray traced reflection or realtime GI or physics, everyone gets it automatically.
CD project has realized that despite having a great engine, the time needed to get these features in is time that couldve been spent on making the actual game. lets hope sony devs realize this.
Yeah I have a very soft spot for animations, being the sports gamer that I am. I feel like animations always get overlooked, when was the last time we saw improvements made to animations? EA FC (or the new FIFA) despite the advanced tech they are using have very janky animations to the point where I cannot play the game anymore. Old futbol titles had better animations despite the old tech. That's why I freakin love RDR2.Everyone wants better animation. It gos without saying andGymWolf and I adore Euphoria for that reason.
This was pre-HFW but they had interactive foliage down in Ghost of Tsushima.Aw2 combat look
What is so special about sucker punch foliage? You included them, but not bend that made a better looking game in their first experience on ps4?
Bad slimy
Shit you could have said sucker punch particles since some effects in inf3 still looks great today (more precisely absorbing neon and the smoke shotgun)
Yeah, but the PS4 Pro, X1X and Series S versions could run the game just fine. I would say its more of a PS4.5 game than anything. You can also look at the vram requirements to give you a good idea of what they were aiming for. Cyberpunk in 2020 used around 5 GB on PC. Only ray tracing pushed it higher to around 7GB. Now path tracing pushes it above 12GB, but the game's assets in 2020 were designed with last gen hardware in mind.
nah, cyberpunk runs just fine on $400 consoles like the playstation 5. It was designed with those consoles in mind. the path tracing mode is just a bonus. We have discussed this a million times in this thread. The game was designed with baked lighting in mind. It looks great even with RTGI off.
i mean i can get cyberpunk with path tracing 1440p dlss balanced (looks better than native 1080p) and get around 30 fps average (if not for vram limitations, it would likely never drop below that) on my aging 3070, which I got for 500 bucks msrp. got my whole rig for like around 850 bucks when I sold my older parts. it is %80 there. it only lacks the crispness of higher resolutions. but it looks good. look at how ff xvi or forspoken made joke out of PS5 for example. at least DLSS produces good results at 1440p upscaling. can't say the same for FSR or other regular old upscalersYeah, but the PS4 Pro, X1X and Series S versions could run the game just fine. I would say its more of a PS4.5 game than anything. You can also look at the vram requirements to give you a good idea of what they were aiming for. Cyberpunk in 2020 used around 5 GB on PC. Only ray tracing pushed it higher to around 7GB. Now path tracing pushes it above 12GB, but the game's assets in 2020 were designed with last gen hardware in mind.
PS4 couldve run this game at 720p. CD Project just didnt even bother optimizing those versions.
nah, cyberpunk runs just fine on $400 consoles like the playstation 5. It was designed with those consoles in mind. the path tracing mode is just a bonus. We have discussed this a million times in this thread. The game was designed with baked lighting in mind. It looks great even with RTGI off.
And nothing about insomniac's ending looks amazing. The matrix is running on the same hardware and looks amazing. Even better than cyberpunk on $10k PCs. (its actually more like $3k but i will allow the hyperbole since im a big fan of hyperbole myself).
CP2077 look fenomenal. In your opinion, what are the contras of all studios working with the same engine?Honestly, those screenshots are quite incredible.
But just to put it in perspective, here are some spiderman 2 comparisons.
Insomniac needs to throw this engine in the trash. And then set that trash on fire. And finally scatter the ashes in the Mississippi river. Then nuke Mississippi just to be sure.
If sony doesnt want to pay Epic the insane 12% cut they are asking for then go and make Decima the goto engine for ALL Sony studios. Do what EA did with Frostbite, but instead make it an engine that EVERYONE at sony can modify and improve. I loved what KojiPro did with the Decima engine. They were doing their own commits instead of simply borrowing the engine. they helped develop it. And looking at how beautiful the cimematics looked in HFW, it's obvious that GG benefitted from KojiPro's changes. I want ND, SSM, Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Bluepoint ALL working together to make Decima as good if not better than UE5. I want ND's motion matching, Insomniac's Ray traced reflections, GG's character models, Sucker Punch's foliage all in SSM's next game.
Use the PS5 geometry engine, primitive shaders, and all that IO to maximize its potential. Get something like Nanite in there. It is obvious that after three years, Sucker Punch and ND are not even close to showing their next game because of all the backend work needed to get each engine these so-called next gen features. No, have ONE engine so that when one team implements ray traced reflection or realtime GI or physics, everyone gets it automatically.
CD project has realized that despite having a great engine, the time needed to get these features in is time that couldve been spent on making the actual game. lets hope sony devs realize this.
If you mean cons then Frostbite comes to mind. Bioware and other studios really struggled to get this first person up and running for their third person RPG games. IIRC, It took the fifa and madden teams years of hard work to get Frostbite just right. so there is always pros and cons.
I think your ability to settle for 30 fps on PC does put things into perspective. I just couldnt. I tried playing Star wars in 40 fps but the constant stuttering ruined that too.
I think you had the movable grass effect on crysis already and they debunked the physics thing for the windy grass, it is just an algorithm, not really physics based.This was pre-HFW but they had interactive foliage down in Ghost of Tsushima.
B benzy made this gif and it honestly blew me away back then.
They also had tall foliage with different kinds of plants and even had weather physics applied to them.
Bend's crowd tech is very impressive and it would be great if other studios like ND could leverage it for TLOU3.
You know, the B word...
I see. Well then i want Sony studios Using that algorithm instead of coming up with their own tech. That’s what i was trying to say.
that's rather very interesting. how does your vsync settings look like? did you force vsync through NVCP for example (some guides recommend doing this but it might cause frametime disruptions in certain titles) or in game? I let 3d application decide for Cyberpunk in NVCP, Vsync off in game, Reflex ON (not boost), and just VRR on top of it. could be that some general/usually works settings causing disruption with the game?
I made a similar post some days ago but then i scratched the whole thing because it sounded too absurd.
lol you can’t call women bitches on an online forum.
Yh vsync off in game and turned on in nvcp with fps capped to 60. It just feels choppy in first person view.
Gotta disagree here its solid looking for last gen game, but even so disliked by u spiderman2 looks visibly better, even starfield at points does too xD
But i was calling myself a birch.
That's why i scratched the post.
try disabling both in game and external vsync, and dont use a frame limiter and try and see if it improves
If he has a gsync panel he needs vsync on.
yes that is true, the general recommendationIf he has a gsync panel he needs vsync on.
Boy do i love pc gaming where NOTHING is a certainty and noobs like me get confused by people saying everything and the opposite of everything
That's one approach. I usually don't see tearing because I'm never near my upper end of VRR range in games I play.
Thats why we are saying that ALL teams work on ONE engine. So one one team does develop something like realistic hair, another team can just leverage that because they are working within the same engine.
just to make sure, can you ensure VRR engages as it should? It most likely does but I just wanted to ensure cover all bases
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I had four messages removed for me today that were aimed at that creature who shall remain nameless and his initial message which started this whole thing remained. Too bad though I was having fun until he put me on the ignore list
Still worse explosions than mad max.Oh Anthem is not next gen whatsoever. I was just saying that it was a very good looking game by last gen standards, and a big part of that was the frostbite engine. So at the end of the day switching to Frostbite did help them despite the early adjustment period.
And yeah, I am aware of the bullshit demo they created. But that makes it all the more impressive that they came as close as they did. I played it day one on PC and its one of the best looking games of last gen. Its underrated because most people passed on it due to it being a GaaS. I would easily rank it top 10 of last gen.
Everyone loves to trash explosions in this thread, but this game did them right.
