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GT5 News - Nurburgring update (pre-E3 edition)
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rocksteady1983
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This game will own my life.
seattle6418
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While the feature is cool, it won't be used by 99,99% of the players, it's like that gimmicky 3 display set up that Forza and GT are now offering.
For me, way too much time invested in things that are not all that important.
I would use this extra time for something else, unless this techonology means we will get real life laps from Loeb, Schummy and the likes to chase it in the game. (altough it will be easy).
I'm not dismissing, but i just want to know more about the game itself.
For me, way too much time invested in things that are not all that important.
I would use this extra time for something else, unless this techonology means we will get real life laps from Loeb, Schummy and the likes to chase it in the game. (altough it will be easy).
I'm not dismissing, but i just want to know more about the game itself.
seattle6418 said:
That's the thing I don't really understand. Would it really make your day if they just released the car list, track list and complete online functionality? How about just a 5 hour demo of the whole game, showcasing every corner of every track along with every event in the game? Somehow you don't see too many "hey this new trailer for Uncharted 2 is nice and all but what I really want is to see level 5" responses for other games.
I'm not saying you're that guy, but there are a dozens of posts like that every time Yamauchi says anything at all. We have a demo(ooo time trial, I know) a general list of manufacturers and tracks and a good idea for how online will work. There's no reason for Polyphony to dissect GT5 in previews or for interviews.
PjotrStroganov
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spwolf said:
Make game and put in some special features. Release game and then put in features that nobody uses but creates positive buzz.
SolidSnakex
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PjotrStroganov said:
I hate this mentality. Before this gen developers would make complete games. They'd put everything that they wanted in from the start. They'd polish the hell out of it because there was nothing that they could do that after they released it. DLC isn't bad, it has its place in gaming obviously. But i'm happy that they're trying to put everything that they want in the game all at once instead of having to tack things on after it's released.
Once again things are tuned off and manufacturers to be kept happy blah blah blah. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE SAME THINGS HAVE TO BE SAID? Pay attention to the interviews, gtplanet and solid snakex.Cat in the Hat said:
Woah...that's why the new footage looks so juicy.HomerSimpson-Man said:
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
if by new footage you mean the toyota flick it's juicy because it was rendered in-engine but with off-line parameters (resolutions, AA, etc - think photomode). real-time will not look like that until at least the next generation of hw.RavenFox said:
Wax Free Vanilla
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Expect more Denso type announcementsRavenFox said:Oh? *Big Smile*
seattle6418
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TTG said:
I get that, and i also want to be surprised when i first boot up the game. However, i think it´s possible to talk about the game itself without giving away everything.
For example, if they revealed a new car everyday until release, we would still had a lot of surprises.
One thing is sure, they could have avoided the confusion surrounding the game. That´s not necessary and it´s not good for anybody.
I´m not worried about the delays, i think they should definately take their time to deliver. I´m also a sports fans, so i know what it means to have a game released in a hurry to meet deadlines (NBA 2K fan here).
All in all, i just want them to be more straightfoward regarding the many doubts and confusion around GT5.
seattle6418 said:
There is confusion, but I think it is good for GT5 as a whole. For one, there's a lot more exposure considering GT5 is at every major car show at this point. They're also usually doing some little projects with car manufacturers so they're in the car world news/blogs consistently.
The other part of it is that Sony is obviously taking GT5 very seriously. I get the feeling that for every new tech they develop(like 3d) Polyphony atleast gets a memo asking if they could somehow fit it in their game. The uncertainty over the release date lately has also been their doing.
Anyway, if they could actually digitally recreate stig's power laps for the next season of Top Gear to show up in the game as a ghost... that would be absolutely jaw dropping.
seattle6418 said:
only confusion is release date, which probably has very little to do with features and more with either marketing or some final optimizations....
PD has huge team working on the title, however not all of them are involved in final optimizations of the engine for instance. GT5 is ambitious game, it could have million features, but it is unlikely that some extra/unimportant features are stopping the game... for instance this Denso/Toyota NAV has been tested last year so it could hardly influence release schedule of it.
when you think of delays, think of issues that are more abstract, things that can not be scheduled easily, things where you cant just throw in extra man-power to solve. Mostly low level tech stuff come to my mind.
And the fact that you are curious about full set of features does not mean there is confusion about it - i dont thinkt there is any confusion, they chose not to disclose full set of features... it is basically marketing... if we knew them all, we would not be talking about it so much ;-)
Man, I love that new FT. As long as it stays to shape, I'll probably end up finally trading my Evo in on it. I just hope they have plans for it being the new GT-Four/All-Trac. Gimme AWD Turbo, I'll order one now. If it's just the NA RWD package, I'll think longer and harder about it. I'd have to get a winter beater for here.
Those shots are amazing though.
Those shots are amazing though.
Callibretto
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so, I found this interview and not sure if it's been posted or not
http://www.vg247.com/2010/01/15/yamauchi-gt5-is-is-only-90-complete/
I'm interested in these part though
do we know that GT wil have some motion control function in it before? maybe that's the reason for the delay? they need to add the motion control late in the development
http://www.vg247.com/2010/01/15/yamauchi-gt5-is-is-only-90-complete/
I'm interested in these part though
do we know that GT wil have some motion control function in it before? maybe that's the reason for the delay? they need to add the motion control late in the development
sportzhead
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Callibretto said:
I'll take motion controls if PD adds bikes and allows us to lean by using the tilt function.
My god it feels like this game has been in development for a decade. Weren't the devs of this talking about how they were looking into making a different game after GT5? I would love to see a Demon's Souls like game with the level of detail these devs put into their games
Anyways this is one racing game I will definitely be buying. Looks gorgeous.
Anyways this is one racing game I will definitely be buying. Looks gorgeous.
seattle6418
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spwolf said:
Depends on what do you call a confusion. I want to be surprised with the game like i was with GT1/GT2, but to me there's a couple of things i would like cleared up.
The track count is definately a confusion that does not help them one bit. Over 20 locations and 70 variations means nothing, since nobody knows what's PD definition of location and variation. The proof of that is GT PSP. They kept advertising 30 tracks, 60 variations and the game has 45 tracks with 72 variations (if my memory is correct, but the number was way different than what PD advertised).
If we assume that a location is Indianapolis and that GP/Oval are the variations, then the track list would be extremely disappointing. No Deep Forest? No Autumn Ring, Midfield, Grand Valley, Laguna Seca, Monaco, Valencia, Trial mountain...? I mean, if it's over 30, considering the tracks we already know are in, some of those that i mentioned will be left out.
That's a big concern for GT fans like myself. I spent years playing GT2 and GT4 because those two games had so much variety, you would rarely get bored.
That leads me to another question, the cars. People keep throwing the "all PSP cars will be transferable to GT5", and to me, that's also horrible. When i think of over 950 cars, 1000 cars, i think it's awesome, but it would be a kick in the nuts if 830 of those are the PSP cars.
If you have GT PSP you can see there are a bunch of clones and outdated models (not classic old cars that should be in in every version). If GT5 has 830 old models + 170 new, that would be a huge downer for me and i'm sure for a lot of other GT lovers.
That's something they could also clear up without releasing the complete car list.
Then there's the weather thing, we don't know if it's static or dynamic, tuning options... i think the word i'm looking for is uncertanty in most cases, and confusion in some aspects.
Now on to famitsu next week hype...
SolidSnakex
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seattle6418 said:
There's nothing to clear up there because that's what it is. Every car in the GT PSP is in GT5 plus a bunch of other cars that aren't in that game.
Like the great translator guy said, Kaz doesn't want to answer questions about very specific game details before the game's out. And really, what's the urgency on your part? When the game comes out, ask the questions, play the game, etc. There's not much of a point in spending so much time before the game's out speculating best and worst-case scenarios when in the end it will change nothing. People get bent out of shape, following games too closely.seattle6418 said:
Did you follow GT1 and GT2 this closely, months before they were released? You say you want to be as surprised with GT5 as you were for those games, but because of the improved communications the media/internet allow today, it's hard to get the same effect with a new game.
blu
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not saying you don't have your reasons for concerns, but the GTs have always have more than a few variations and modifications of the same model, or very similar models. you don't expect Kaz to cut all those GT-Rs, NSX and lancers just because somebody may prefer this or that other car instead. also, there's this thing about people growing fond of some of the cars in their old GT garages. i promise to go postal if polyphony 'accidentally' dropped the ginetta or any of the european models/makes, and i'm sure each one of us here has such models/makes. so keeping all old cars in is the safer way with the fanbase.seattle6418 said:
SolidSnakex
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blu said:
This is actually one of his goals for the series from here on out. They don't want to be dropping any cars, they want to continue to add to the list. So everything that's in now will be in GT6. And all the cars that you collect in GT5 will be able to be carried over to GT6.
seattle6418
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SolidSnakex said:
I remember reading that cars from PSP would be transferable, but i was not sure if it was some cars, or all cars.
Assuming this is true, GT5 will have an unusually huge used car lot.
The midnight purple, v-spec, specII and other variations are a part of GT history, but what i was saying was based on GT PSP. On that one, they went overboard with the clones. Since they add up the cars from all GT4 versions (PAL, Japan, NTSC, Asia) we got some cars that were the same with a different branding. (Lutecia, Clio, for example).
Regarding game coverage, all i had during the early days were the magazines, so off course it was different. Right now i'm just trying to get a better balance between total silence and total giveaway.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
if you check the actual list of vehicles in GT PSP you'll surely notice the apparent similarities with the GT4 park - almost the same 'abundances' across the list. you said you were ok with GT4, so i don't see much reason for concern there ; )seattle6418 said:
as for the 4 lutecia/clio clones - you're not bothered by the legion of eunos/miata ones? ; )
Goldrusher
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Even without clones, there will be still be over 800 different models in GT5. With clones and/or slightly different specs and all the different WRC, SuperGT, IndyCar and NASCAR liveries, probably over 1200.
PjotrStroganov
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SolidSnakex said:
I wasn't talking about aspects that are integral to the gaming experience. I am talking about stuff like the FT86 to PS3 replay thingy. If it is adding development time, I'd rather have they leave it out. It's not making it any less polished.
TheLegendary
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Is this game ever coming out? Sigh.
Forsete
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SolidSnakex said:Well, he was asked point blank if we'll be able to set up car clubs and racing leagues and he said "Yes". That's good enough for me.
Here's the old GTHD feature list
The only features on that list that haven't been confirmed for GT5 are Track Day, B Spec, Bulletin Board, Spectator Mode, Livery Editor, License Plate Editor and Race Builder.
Hype +100
Please lift the lid, and soon. I cant take this much longer *holds blade to wrist*
akachan ningen
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If they do have a livery editor, I hope they limit it to cars from racing series like this:
Having livery on street cars is pretty tacky.
Having livery on street cars is pretty tacky.
Diablohead
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akachan ningen said:
SolidSnakex
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Even if it does have a livery editor, I really doubt that it'd be extremely elaborate. You'll probably just be able to add certain types of racing stripes if you do racing mods to your car (similar to the mini that's in the new batch of screens). I'd just be happy with a larger variety of full body paint schemes for the cars.
UnluckyKate
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Forsete said:
You do realise that it's a list made for GTHD... Back in 2006/7 ?
seattle6418
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Goldrusher said:
I'll be extremely happy if you are right. One time i was bored i decided to count how many unique models GT4 had. Nothing scientific, my only criteria was, cars that were modelled separately. Out of the 720 cars in my garage, the total for unique models was a little over 350.
To clarify my post, i don't think i'm being ruthless with the series, and when i say i'm used to the clones and variations in previous GT's it's because it's something i didn't liked but got used to it. I was never a big fan of it, but i thought GT PSP went overboard with it.
Back to your thoughts, problem is, PD always counted the cars differently. The different liveries on Super GT cars were counted as different models, even if they were spec cars from the same season. (Xanavi Hiroto GTR '01, Penzoill Zexel '01 GTR, or in the same year, Tom's supra, au cerumo supra and esso ultraflo supra, same cars, counted as differently models).
What i'm saying is this, if they still count cars like this, then the 1000 figure won't mean as much as we once thought, if you add the 830 PSP cars plus the 43 Nascar models, the new ones showed, the tuned cars by GT that polyphony counts as a separate car, we would have about 50 cars that we don't know yet.
Again, speculation, but i will still defend it's a valid concern, given their track record with car selection (GT3 still hurts me
thechemist
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I would love if we got Rain like F1CE, it would be amazing tearing it down some street circuit at night with the rain pouring down or even down spa at eau rouge! even without still looking forward to this game massively, hope they put either GT1 /2 on PSN, i love the one on the psp but i'd like a career mode.
seattle6418 said:I'll be extremely happy if you are right. One time i was bored i decided to count how many unique models GT4 had. Nothing scientific, my only criteria was, cars that were modelled separately. Out of the 720 cars in my garage, the total for unique models was a little over 350.
To clarify my post, i don't think i'm being ruthless with the series, and when i say i'm used to the clones and variations in previous GT's it's because it's something i didn't liked but got used to it. I was never a big fan of it, but i thought GT PSP went overboard with it.
Back to your thoughts, problem is, PD always counted the cars differently. The different liveries on Super GT cars were counted as different models, even if they were spec cars from the same season. (Xanavi Hiroto GTR '01, Penzoill Zexel '01 GTR, or in the same year, Tom's supra, au cerumo supra and esso ultraflo supra, same cars, counted as differently models).
What i'm saying is this, if they still count cars like this, then the 1000 figure won't mean as much as we once thought, if you add the 830 PSP cars plus the 43 Nascar models, the new ones showed, the tuned cars by GT that polyphony counts as a separate car, we would have about 50 cars that we don't know yet.
Again, speculation, but i will still defend it's a valid concern, given their track record with car selection (GT3 still hurts me
to approach this from another angle, what are the cars that you feel will be missing from GT5? We already know they are getting all the latest cars... Add GT4, GT PSP, GT5P and all the trailers and info we have for GT5 - what exactly is missing?
seattle6418 said:I'll be extremely happy if you are right. One time i was bored i decided to count how many unique models GT4 had. Nothing scientific, my only criteria was, cars that were modelled separately. Out of the 720 cars in my garage, the total for unique models was a little over 350.
To clarify my post, i don't think i'm being ruthless with the series, and when i say i'm used to the clones and variations in previous GT's it's because it's something i didn't liked but got used to it. I was never a big fan of it, but i thought GT PSP went overboard with it.
Back to your thoughts, problem is, PD always counted the cars differently. The different liveries on Super GT cars were counted as different models, even if they were spec cars from the same season. (Xanavi Hiroto GTR '01, Penzoill Zexel '01 GTR, or in the same year, Tom's supra, au cerumo supra and esso ultraflo supra, same cars, counted as differently models).
What i'm saying is this, if they still count cars like this, then the 1000 figure won't mean as much as we once thought, if you add the 830 PSP cars plus the 43 Nascar models, the new ones showed, the tuned cars by GT that polyphony counts as a separate car, we would have about 50 cars that we don't know yet.
Again, speculation, but i will still defend it's a valid concern, given their track record with car selection (GT3 still hurts me
I agree with your point in part, but even if we get say 5-600 unique cars that is still a ton. There is a lot of fluff in GT PSP (tons of early 90's Japanese cars). Plus they said GT PSP is based on the GT4 roster, whereas GT5 roster was started from scratch, so hopefully we get early 2000's Japanese focus if nothing else.
Death Dealer
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spwolf said:
Will it have the Maserati MC12 ?
SolidSnakex
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Death Dealer said:
Maserati isn't an announced manufacturer.