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GT5 News - Nurburgring update (pre-E3 edition)
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Raist said:Some pretty impressive meltdowns around here
I have a feeling the backlash for this game is gonna be reaaaally bad.
It happens with every GT game. Most of the people who bitch and complain don't really seem to bother to play them though. Wait for the "I saw this video and the "_____" just sucked!"
The official GT5 thread will be great for the ignore list though.
Since I actually feel pinpointed by the "meltdown" posts :lol , I feel the need to explain myself; I have Gran Turismo 3 and 4 (only played the second game a little bit), and played them both for God knows how long. I love the series, I love the Pokémon-styled "gotta-catch-'em-all" game structure (since it fulfills my OCD needs), I love the classy presentation, I love the driving model etc. etc. etc.
It's just that the handling of the marketing aspect completely fucking blows (time to get a fucking community manager), and I also dislike the fact that Kaz seems to be completely out of touch and goes driving and using the company money to do stupid shit instead of actually finishing up the game.
By the look of some of the posts in here, any critique of the development of the game is deemed as trolling, which is untrue in many cases. It's just that they've janked us around long enough; it's time to spill the beans.
It's just that the handling of the marketing aspect completely fucking blows (time to get a fucking community manager), and I also dislike the fact that Kaz seems to be completely out of touch and goes driving and using the company money to do stupid shit instead of actually finishing up the game.
By the look of some of the posts in here, any critique of the development of the game is deemed as trolling, which is untrue in many cases. It's just that they've janked us around long enough; it's time to spill the beans.
Metalmurphy
Member
JardeL said:
There is no track editor. Dont do this to yourselves...
BeeDog said:
I don't think anybody is pointing you out, and if they are fuck em.
But why do you have to worry about the marketing? Will how its marketed change the game at all for you? And Kaz is plenty rich, I doubt he uses PD/Sony funds to jet set and race in events. I'm sure some of them are covered by PD/Sony when GT5 is on show but you are reaching a bit. And 1 man doesn't make or break the game, there are over 150 people at PD I think, I'm pretty sure when Kaz takes off for a couple of days that the team keeps working away.
About expectations...
If you enjoyed prologue to some degree (with all its faults), rest assured GT5 will deliver, since it will most likely it improve in every aspect compared to prologue.
It wont be perfect (no game is), it just comes down if you have fun with it.
That's how I see it anyways...
If you enjoyed prologue to some degree (with all its faults), rest assured GT5 will deliver, since it will most likely it improve in every aspect compared to prologue.
It wont be perfect (no game is), it just comes down if you have fun with it.
That's how I see it anyways...
Metalmurphy
Member
Kimo said:
It was a 200mb time trial... It wasn't meant to show off graphics, but the new physics, which were awesome.
Firewire said:
I guess I phrased the marketing thing wrong; what I meant with marketing was simply how they roll out the info about the game (e.g. nothing concrete about the game's feature set is known). I couldn't care less about the actual marketing (e.g. commercials, ads etc.) since I don't give a shit about sales numbers.
You know, how it's marketed won't affect the game, but it could have an impact for PS3 gamers. If GT5 is marketed well and sells PS3's as well as software units, it sends the message to third parties that exclusive PS3 games can sell well, can help sell hardware, and that Sony has got its marketing skills back.
A well marketed GT5 would give Sony more leverage in trying to secure third party exclusive games, or DLC, associating games with PlayStation again, etc, rather than the 360. I think all PS3 gamers should be interested in how GT5 is marketed. That's how I see it anyway.
A well marketed GT5 would give Sony more leverage in trying to secure third party exclusive games, or DLC, associating games with PlayStation again, etc, rather than the 360. I think all PS3 gamers should be interested in how GT5 is marketed. That's how I see it anyway.
Actually I think their marketting has been clever. They don't need to market to those who will already buy the game (GT5 Prologue marketting was excellent) - they need to market to car enthusiasts. If these people get interested in it, not only will they buy GT5 - they'll buy a PS3 to go with it.BeeDog said:
Lagspike_exe
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offshore said:
What? :lol
Marketing won't affect the game, but it will send the message that exclusive PS3 games sell well? And the previous exclusives failed to sell? :lol And no one knows that GT5 is one of the biggest IPs in the industry? :lol
Sony needs back its marketing skills? :lol Do you watch Championship League, for example? Sony marketing everywhere. Kevin Butler?
GT5 securing 3rd party exclusives, you say? IT ONLY DOES EVERYTHING® indeed. :lol
Lagspike_exe said:
You do know there's a difference between selling, and selling extremely well, right? Look at Gears of War. Both games are pretty average games that should hover around 2.5 million, but they've both blown past 5 million each, thanks to a great marketing campaign. Why do you think most third party games are promoted for the 360 over the PS3? Because publishers are more comfortable with MS's effective advertising.
Sure, It Only Does Everything are fun adverts, but are they effective? Do they help sell the PS3 and its games? NPD results seem to suggest not, as the 360 has beaten the PS3 every month this year. Have PS3 exclusive games failed to sell? No. Have they failed when compared to 360 exclusive games? Abso-fucking-lutely.
And as a matter of fact I do watch the Champions League, and have you seen the PS3 idents? A tiny PS3 logo crammed in the bottom of the screen that no fucker can see; compared to MasterCard, Ford, Heineken etc, who have their logos planted firmly in the centre of the screen that every fucker can see, Sony's marketing is ineffective.
Metalmurphy
Member
offshore said:
I dont remember there being a big market push for GT3 or GT4 as much as there's been for GT5...
I mean, just look at GT Academy. And yet GT3 and GT4 sold shitloads.
offshore said:
What the hell are you talking about? They have billboards everywhere. Especially those behind the net (which I assume cost more). Champions League looks like "PlayStation League" at times :lol
As for GT5... yeah, that franchise kinda turned into a marketing device for car manufacturers.
KZObsessed
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f u TTP
Goldrusher
Member
Why was it terrible ?Kimo said:
The only reason you could give that actually makes a tiny bit of sense is the lack of proper 3D trees. However, that's a sacrifice they had to make to make the actual track and cars as detailed as possible.
And to keep the frame rate at 60fps.
In 1080p.
With debris flying everywhere.
At night.
In the rain.
With 16 cars on track.
If you say the track was bland. That's just how it is. It's Indianapolis.
Metalmurphy
Member
I thought it looked great, but whenever I saw screenshots posted, yeah they looked terrible. That track didn't translate very well to screens.Goldrusher said:
But hey, 200mb. I'm sure it doesn't represent the final game at all.
KZObsessed
Member
TTP said:
'ave it
Rapping Granny
Banned
Oh yeah guys here is another video showing a real driver playing the game, and no new information about the game. OHHH FUCK YEAH INSTA BUY, REVOLUTION OF THE RACING GENRE.
Jesus the marketing for this game fucking blows chunks.
Jesus the marketing for this game fucking blows chunks.
Goldrusher
Member
It's stuff like this that actually ends up in the mainstream media. Not a new screenshot, trailer or some random bits of info.Rapping Granny said:
Lagspike_exe
Member
offshore said:
What the... :lol
1st, how the hell, I mean, HOW THE HELL, do you now how much Gears would sell without marketing? :lol
Games are promoted with 360 logo because Microsoft pays for the part (or the entire) marketing campaign. Do you really think someone would chose to ignore half of the market because of "Microsoft's effective marketing"? What does Microsoft's marketing have to do with a random 3rd party game marketing campaign?
How exactly are you judging effectiveness of a marketing campaign (in this case it only does everything)? Judging by NPD? Are you aware of the fact that the PS3 sells in $299 and $399 flavors, while 360 is running with $199 and $299. With the $199 SKU accounting for around 50% of the sales. So, with a price difference like this one, how exactly are you comparing them? Are you aware of the fact that marketing is here just to PUSH a product, not to make someone COMPLETELY unintrested in it to to buy it. If somebody wants to play Halo with his/her friends, he/she isn't gong to buy a PS3. Can you understand that marketing isn't the ONLY factor that influences sales. I still remember your meltdowns in a thread where you were screaming that Sony's GT5 Fall console push is going to get slaughtered by Microsoft and it's Natal marketing blitz. :lol
What exclusives are you comparing? Gears of War and Halo on the MS side, I presume? To exactly what are you comparing them on the Sony side? Uncharted?
Your CL paragraph is pure insanity. :lol
PS3 sign isn't visible? Are you blind? :lol
It's like EVERYWHERE. Sony Bravia is EVERYWHERE. Championship League is always like HEINEKEN FORD MASTER CARD SPONSORED BY SONY MAKE.BELIEVE /end
If that's not visible, then, really, I don't know what the hell is. :lol
Sony's marketing is ineffective.:lol OMG.:lol
fu3lfr3nzy
Member
Goldrusher said:
I'm guessing this is only exclusive to EU Mercedes Benz Dealerships? ;_;
My family owns a fleet of Mercedes vehicles(myself included), so I'm at the dealership every now and then buying parts.
I figured most of the customers wont bother with it(given their age demographic
) so I might as well take the initative and show them how its done
hopefully without embrassing myself in the process
TheThunder
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It will be funny if even after E3 we would still know nothing about the game.
fu3lfr3nzy
Member
TheThunder said:
That wouldnt surprise me.
Prediction:
*GT5 only has 7 minutes out of the 2hr conference*
GT5 confirmed to support 3D
Another trailer showing NASCAR, WRC, SuperGT, Supercars, exotic locales, etc.
Tretton: GT5 will be out on stores this holiday season*
*date subject to change
:lol :lol :lol
KZObsessed
Member
:lol
Graphics Horse
Member
:lol genius.