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[wayward archer]

like i said, it's not just about image quality. i assure you that a comparative game on the current gen consoles couldn't even come close to the combination of scale and detail exhibited here.

I know, I saw all those little dudes rendered beautifully on the deck of the ships in those empire at war videos. I saw shacks and trees blown apart spectacularly while playing Crysis and in farcry 2 videos. Those games still don't look a generation ahead to me. I think it's the textures. Something about them still tells my brain i'm looking at current gen polygons. I want to forget i'm looking at polygons for a moment. These games look amazing but they still look like the upper end of this generation and not the beginning of the next. Maybe that sharp distinction isn't going to happen anymore, with PC graphics cards being released so rapidly back to back these days.

 

[hellclerk]

interesting, i just saw a commercial for this game and how it's coming for the PC...

 

[freddy]

Well, a next generation of consoles should & would go well beyond the current-best PCs can do.

And the endless circle repeats itself once again.

 

[Alex Anderson]

ctrl+f "Evilore"

 

[dLMN8R]

I haven't played it myself but everything ive heard has been pretty negative toward the pc version, is epic even doing gears 2 for pc?

Epic has said no to Gears 2 PC but that's quite irrelevant. Just as is discussion of Gears 1 in this thread anyway. But I've put 10-12 hours total into Gears PC, never really had any problems of note except for losing some saved games while doing something that would've caused the same result on 360 - starting a co-op campaign, erasing my main game, some other weird shit.

Plus, GFW Live Gold is free now so that's no longer a valid complaint.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

The PC is better, that is a given.

But they should have at least compared shots in similar modes, because the mutiplayer mode had a pretty big drop graphically compared to the single player mode.

 

[dLMN8R]

I know, I saw all those little dudes rendered beautifully on the deck of the ships in those empire at war videos. I saw shacks and trees blown apart spectacularly while playing Crysis and in farcry 2 videos. Those games still don't look a generation ahead to me. I think it's the textures. Something about them still tells my brain i'm looking at current gen polygons. I want to forget i'm looking at polygons for a moment. These games look amazing but they still look like the upper end of this generation and not the beginning of the next. Maybe that sharp distinction isn't going to happen anymore, with PC graphics cards being released so rapidly back to back these days.

I'm sorry dude but anyone who's actually played Crysis or Warhead on a system that can handle it at high details knows that it kicks the everloving shit out of every single console and other PC game out there. It's absolutely a "generation" a head in terms of what consoles can do.

Seeing screenshots or even videos on your computer is one thing, but having it actually run in real-time with you controlling it is yet another order of magnitude more incredible. So many shader effects, particle effects, and other crazy things going on that even a 720p high-definition video would hide from you behind whatever compression techniques the video's using. Effects that make all the difference in the world.

 

[C4Lukins]

Wait, wait, wait. You're trying to tell me, that a current PC... can outperform a 2 year old game console?

You get right the fuck out of town.

And even then, a 2 or 3 year old game console outperforms the majority of PC's being sold today, as far as gaming is concerned of course.

 

[wayward archer]

I'm sorry dude but anyone who's actually played Crysis or Warhead on a system that can handle it at high details knows that it kicks the everloving shit out of every single console and other PC game out there. It's absolutely a "generation" a head in terms of what consoles can do.

Seeing screenshots or even videos on your computer is one thing, but having it actually run in real-time with you controlling it is yet another order of magnitude more incredible. So many shader effects, particle effects, and other crazy things going on that even a 720p high-definition video would hide from you behind whatever compression techniques the video's using. Effects that make all the difference in the world.

I'll accept that to you and most of the people in this thread, the leap is big enough for you to consider it next gen. I have seen crysis in person on high settings with a good framerate and it doesn't quite wow me to the point where I do. I'll leave it at that and bow out of this thread.

 

[Poimandres]

oh shit, someone's getting a little testy! Someone's eyeing that $400 or $600 paper weight in the living room and feeling that bitter lightness in their wallet!

You mean $200 right?

It does look a lot better on PC. This is one game that will surely benefit from more powerful hardware.

That said... surely it isn't necessary to draw a line in the sand between consoles and computers. They both serve a purpose, and serve that purpose well.

 

[AtreyU]

And even then, a 2 or 3 year old game console outperforms the majority of PC's being sold today, as far as gaming is concerned of course.

not really. consoles run at lower resolutions with an average of around 16:9 720p at 30fps with 2xAA max 8xAF while most people who are gaming in the same league as their console counterparts (not just those who play pop cap games) are happily running on 4:3 1200p or 16:10 1050p 16AF 8xMSAA comparitively at 60-120fps on $120 cards such as the 8800GT


the majority of pc's being sold today for mainly 3D gaming purposes all outperform the consoles now. all they need is a 9600GT equivalent card and they will get better performance at 1080p at 30fps no AA and even more at 720p. How much are those cards now $80 bucks?

still the ease of use of consoles is its biggest selling point. pc games just expect a little out of novice users to get into 3d gaming sometimes but I guess that's the whole point. 3D PC gaming especially FPS genre is probably the most elitist genre out there.

 

[Dali]

You mean $200 right?

It does look a lot better on PC. This is one game that will surely benefit from more powerful hardware.

That said... surely it isn't necessary to draw a line in the sand between consoles and computers. They both serve a purpose, and serve that purpose well.

Exactly. Consoles are for gamers who like to argue with each other about trivial gaming matters and PC's are for gamers that wish to be included in the trivial arguments but for some reason are always ignored so they are left on the sidelines yelling "superior PC version" to no effect.

 

[Struct09]

I hear the pc version of gears is pretty shit, full of bugs and shitty controls though.

You heard wrong, the PC version of Gears is awesome. I played through Gears when it launched on 360, and I also have it for PC, and would take the PC version over the 360 version any day. It controls great with the keyboard + mouse, but you can also use a 360 controller if you want. And it runs 60 fps and over at a higher resolution.

 

[ghst]

3D PC gaming especially FPS genre is probably the most elitist genre out there.

someone's never played hex-based strategy games.

 

[Chiggs]

You heard wrong, the PC version of Gears is awesome. I played through Gears when it launched on 360, and I also have it for PC, and would take the PC version over the 360 version any day. It controls great with the keyboard + mouse, but you can also use a 360 controller if you want. And it runs 60 fps and over at a higher resolution.

And the extra act is pretty cool, too. The boss fight? Not so much. But the act? Good stuff. Adds a much-needed extra hour to the game.

 

[Darkman M]

You heard wrong, the PC version of Gears is awesome. I played through Gears when it launched on 360, and I also have it for PC, and would take the PC version over the 360 version any day. It controls great with the keyboard + mouse, but you can also use a 360 controller if you want. And it runs 60 fps and over at a higher resolution.

Eh thats good to hear i was looking to try it for my PC, with all the gears talk but read it was pretty buggy on some forums. Ill probably give it a shot on PC being i have the rig to run at at high resolutions

 

[careful]

I'm sure the PC version will be great, but cmon..
"holy fucking shit"
Are you kidding me?
You can't tell much from these tiny compressed JPGs.

From the PC version: I just want to drive across the bridge at more than 10 fps.

 

[Grayman]

I do not know how well mouse aim will help in GTA IV. Pressing the button to fire seemed unresponsive, if that carries on the the PC the shooting mechanics will still be bad no matter the controller.

 

[tak]

The increased detail in the far objects is pretty awesome; however, the increase in resolution and AA I think actually aren't very flattering to the game in a strange way, it makes you realize how simple (geometry and texture wise) the world is.

 

[Death Dealer]

I'm glad PC GTA4 is more than a quick port. It might be worth playing again for the graphics and mods.

someone's never played hex-based strategy games.

I tried some ww2 grand strategy game because it got exceptional reviews. Hearts of Iron 2 ?
OMG. The instruction manual was a novel. It would take me several weeks to learn the basic elements to the game let alone all the minutia. I played old school crpgs and flight sims but it was deeper than any game PC or console I've ever played. I'll stick to Total War series :lol

 

[Slavik81]

if you spent the money on your PC to play it at that res? I rather enjoy the other 6 games I could buy with that money.

You have enough time to play 6x as many games as he does?

 

[C4Lukins]

not really. consoles run at lower resolutions with an average of around 16:9 720p at 30fps with 2xAA max 8xAF while most people who are gaming in the same league as their console counterparts (not just those who play pop cap games) are happily running on 4:3 1200p or 16:10 1050p 16AF 8xMSAA comparitively at 60-120fps on $120 cards such as the 8800GT


the majority of pc's being sold today for mainly 3D gaming purposes all outperform the consoles now. all they need is a 9600GT equivalent card and they will get better performance at 1080p at 30fps no AA and even more at 720p. How much are those cards now $80 bucks?

still the ease of use of consoles is its biggest selling point. pc games just expect a little out of novice users to get into 3d gaming sometimes but I guess that's the whole point. 3D PC gaming especially FPS genre is probably the most elitist genre out there.

Not to attack the PC space, but my point was that the vast majority of current PC sales are for PC platforms that do not even have the minimum PS3/360 graphic card specs included. Memory wise, yes they will win it out most of the time. but ... You know the rest.

 

[Crayon]

Am I missing something besides the aa/af?

And the fact that all the pc shots are conspicuosly closer to the scenery?

Yeah it looks better -that's why they call it image quality- but "holy fucking shit"?

edit: cheap keyboard strikes again.

 

[Nocebo]

Yes but does your PC have a card that fixes boring, repetitive missions?

It's called the mod community. It's not a card tho, on the bright side: mods are free

Am I missing something besides the aa/af?

And the fact that all the pc shots are conspicuosly sloer to the scenery?

Yeah it looks better -that's why they call it image quality- but "holy fucking shit"?

You can't see the stellar difference in detail? Seriously, in the car shot you can barely distinguish the wooden planks in the shot with the car compared to the pc shot.

 

[Crayon]

You can't see the stellar difference in detail? Seriously, in the car shot you can barely distinguish the wooden planks in the shot with the car compared to the pc shot.

That's what aa and af do.

 

[bloodline]

The PC version is much sharper and has better water reflections. The blurriness of the console version really aggravated me...so this is good. Textures seem to be higher res as well.

 

[Shawsie64]

I hear the pc version of gears is pretty shit, full of bugs and shitty controls though.

Yeah iv got it on PC and I played through it on the 360 aswell.. The PC version obviously looks better but it just doesnt feel right for some reason, cant put my finger on it.. think its got to do with the fact that it was designed for the 360 controller.

 

[titiklabingapat]

True graphic whores only game on the PC.

 

[Chiggs]

Yeah iv got it on PC and I played through it on the 360 aswell.. The PC version obviously looks better but it just doesnt feel right for some reason, cant put my finger on it.. think its got to do with the fact that it was designed for the 360 controller.

There's an obvious solution to this problem, one that many pc gamers have used with great success.

 

[Kritz]

So better textures (Slightly), better AA and AF (maybe twice or four times as much? I can't tell), clearer reflections, hardly noticeable LOD increase and who the fuck knows if models have had a poly boost.

I liked the blurring, though. Without it there doesn't seem to be as much depth of field.

I won't bother double dipping. In part because the enhancements don't matter to me, and in part because I didn't like GTA4.

 

[szaromir]

Higher resolution shitty game is still a shitty game.

 

[spoon!]

I can't believe we can have massively long threads about 360 vs ps3 DMC4/burnout comparasion screenshots, nitpicking over the finest fucking differences between the two, and yet we have people in here that can't see the difference in those 360 vs pc screenshots.
God.

 

[M_A_C]

if you spent the money on your PC to play it at that res? I rather enjoy the other 6 games I could buy with that money.

I got my 8800GT for $120. Ohhh! Scrooge McDuck ain't got nothing on me! :lol

Yeah, I'll be getting this again. Mouse aim and 60 FPS will be awesome.

 

[herod]

I can't believe we can have massively long threads about 360 vs ps3 DMC4/burnout comparasion screenshots, nitpicking over the finest fucking differences between the two, and yet we have people in here that can't see the difference in those 360 vs pc screenshots.
God.

image quality and the ability to see are secondary points in those threads.

 

[Brashnir]

Looks nice. Don't think I'll double-dip like I did on SA though since there's just not enough to do once you've beaten the story.

I can't believe we can have massively long threads about 360 vs ps3 DMC4/burnout comparasion screenshots, nitpicking over the finest fucking differences between the two, and yet we have people in here that can't see the difference in those 360 vs pc screenshots.
God.

people see what they want to see. My favorites are the Nintendo fans who swear that SD looks better than HD.

 

[Monsterland]

Holy fucking shit I can't believe I wasted money on this piece of shit game.

 

[Lyte Edge]

It looks great, better than the console versions and anyone saying otherwise is delusional. The PC versions of multi-platform titles usually look the best, no surprise there.

It's just that the majority of anyone who wanted GTA4 already played it on consoles, many people found it did not live up to expectations, and Saint's Row 2 is this week.

 

[Always-honest]

and gone is the impressionistic atmosphere.

 

[Nikorasu]

There aren't enough facepalm gifs on the internet for some of the replies here.

and gone is the impressionistic atmosphere.

Like this one.

 

[FF_VIII]

Damn, never realised how blurry the console version was.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

And even then, a 2 or 3 year old game console outperforms the majority of PC's being sold today, as far as gaming is concerned of course.

thats why i build my own *pats 400 dollar 280gtx video card with a gig of video ram, and gets 2nd degree burns* :lol

 

[nelsonroyale]

Looks sharper....its a good looking game... but Yakuza 3 for instance has raised the bar for me simply because it exhibits far more attention to detail...this doesnt increase the detail compared to the console version really

I was still suprised by this game though, first GTA to actually look good, props to rockstar for that

 

[fushi]

I hope you guys realize that about %5 percent of PC users will have the hardware for the game to look that good. And probably most people will have so it runs even worse than any console version.

And there are how many PCs in the world?

durrr

 

[Reese-015]

I'll accept that to you and most of the people in this thread, the leap is big enough for you to consider it next gen. I have seen crysis in person on high settings with a good framerate and it doesn't quite wow me to the point where I do. I'll leave it at that and bow out of this thread.

I know what you're saying, to be honest I thought Crysis was just 'very impressive' until I moved from just playing on mostly 'high' and some 'very high' settings to a custom config (helder pinto) that brought everything as close to 'very high' as possible without fucking too much with fps... Oh my god, I totally fell in love with the game then, it's just beyond anything out there. I don't have a pc powerful enough to run it at higher than 1280x960/NoAA and even now there are many times where I actually have proper suspension of disbelief with an unparalleled feeling of 'reality' as I'm sneaking through near-photo-real forests...

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

Sorry if old.

Tiscali Games has just put up a comparison between the 360 and PC version of GTA IV, holy shit is all i can say.

You're too easily impressed, I'd say.


A slightly cleaner, slightly clearer version of GTA4 is not a "Holy Shit".

 

[RedAssedApe]

You're too easily impressed, I'd say.


A slightly cleaner, slightly clearer version of GTA4 is not a "Holy Shit".

What he said.

 

[FightyF]

Looks worse in some areas.

I hope people realize what image compression is and does to the clarity of pictures.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Pretty similar to SA PS2<->SA PC, like expected.
PC-version is more sharp and draws longer but the slight blur in the console versions looks bit more organic to my eye.

 

[sun-drop]

i'm failing to see the holyfucking shit difference .. ?

 

[Crayon]

You're too easily impressed, I'd say.


A slightly cleaner, slightly clearer version of GTA4 is not a "Holy Shit".

This&: Cant you turn up the iq setting on most any pc game and get the same result? Pretty unremarkable.

What's remarkable is the fact that consoles don't have the bandwidth to thouroughly filter frames even at reduced resolutions and framerates. And I bet you the next round will go without as well. I blame the bullshot practice.