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[Master Z]

In the end, all we know is that such outcome is just wishful speculation from one side of the fence.

At this point.

Indeed. Perhaps when GTA IV is closer to release it will be made more clear wether or not the PS3 version will be getting any extra content.

Doubtful. It is possible though Sony is trying to work something out with the next real retail disc GTA game.

I hope this exclusive DLC thing doesn't become a trend and that R* realizes that the best way to maximize profits would be to have DLC available for purchase on both platforms.

 

[Beer Monkey]

How does it work exactly? Is the standard world of Oblivion just empty of quests (meaning the disc is standalone) until you reach the Shivering isle dimension or do you actually have to swap? Or is installation the only option?

HDD required, you just install it and keep booting with your regular Oblivion disc just like always. Awesome thing is you can pass it around to your friends and they can install it too.

I'd expect to see one eventually for the 360 GTA episodes. But first they'll milk the DLC as it is more profitable (that's what they did with Shivering Isles).

 

[shifty100]

GTAIV DLC

Just got back from Microsoft’s Blogger Breakfast and it was a hoot! The smoked bacon was delicious! Several bloggers got to throw questions at Chris Satchell, Aaron Greenberg and John Schappert. They answered all the questions and even recruited Ron Workman to their PR team. Here are the bullets as I wrote them down:

* When MS says exclusive, they mean that no other system can have DLC content for GTAIV

* It will be bigger than a lot of people think. GTA Vice City and San Andreas were basically expansions of GTA3. Think of the DLC that way. We are talking major expansion for GTAIV

* No price has been discussed yet. It’s up to Rockstar on whether or not they will charge for it

* If successful, DLC may be the new way to deliver GTA expansions

 

[Metalmurphy]

GTAIV DLC

Just got back from Microsoft’s Blogger Breakfast and it was a hoot! The smoked bacon was delicious! Several bloggers got to throw questions at Chris Satchell, Aaron Greenberg and John Schappert. They answered all the questions and even recruited Ron Workman to their PR team. Here are the bullets as I wrote them down:

* When MS says exclusive, they mean that no other system can have DLC content for GTAIV

* It will be bigger than a lot of people think. GTA Vice City and San Andreas were basically expansions of GTA3. Think of the DLC that way. We are talking major expansion for GTAIV

* No price has been discussed yet. It’s up to Rockstar on whether or not they will charge for it

* If successful, DLC may be the new way to deliver GTA expansions

It's on the OP oO

 

[Dabanton]

Indeed. Perhaps when GTA IV is closer to release it will be made more clear wether or not the PS3 version will be getting any extra content.

I hope this exclusive DLC thing doesn't become a trend and that R* realizes that the best way to maximize profits would be to have DLC available for purchase on both platforms.

As they said they are trying this DLC thing out to see how it goes i expect it to sell a hell of a lot.

As for maximizing profits the game is coming out same day for both systems the DLC was an extra that MS asked R* about doing i really don't see the problem.

When the GTA games were de facto PS2 exclusives were you complaining then?

 

[sykoex]

GTAIV DLC

Just got back from Microsoft’s Blogger Breakfast and it was a hoot! The smoked bacon was delicious! Several bloggers got to throw questions at Chris Satchell, Aaron Greenberg and John Schappert. They answered all the questions and even recruited Ron Workman to their PR team. Here are the bullets as I wrote them down:

* When MS says exclusive, they mean that no other system can have DLC content for GTAIV

* It will be bigger than a lot of people think. GTA Vice City and San Andreas were basically expansions of GTA3. Think of the DLC that way. We are talking major expansion for GTAIV

* No price has been discussed yet. It’s up to Rockstar on whether or not they will charge for it

* If successful, DLC may be the new way to deliver GTA expansions

:lol ...at least you got free bacon.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

So... if EA buy Take Two, what are the chances GTA4 DLC will actually remain exclusive?

Spoiler

or anything more than cheatcode unlocks?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

So... if EA buy Take Two, what are the chances GTA4 DLC will actually remain exclusive?

Spoiler

or anything more than cheatcode unlocks?

Did Mass Effect come out for PS3? Same timeline.

I could definitely see the work that went into Episode One and the contracts regarding it being scrapped for an Unlimited Ammo code though.

 

[M3wThr33]

GTAIV DLC

Just got back from Microsoft’s Blogger Breakfast and it was a hoot! The smoked bacon was delicious! Several bloggers got to throw questions at Chris Satchell, Aaron Greenberg and John Schappert. They answered all the questions and even recruited Ron Workman to their PR team. Here are the bullets as I wrote them down:

* When MS says exclusive, they mean that no other system can have DLC content for GTAIV

* It will be bigger than a lot of people think. GTA Vice City and San Andreas were basically expansions of GTA3. Think of the DLC that way. We are talking major expansion for GTAIV

* No price has been discussed yet. It’s up to Rockstar on whether or not they will charge for it

* If successful, DLC may be the new way to deliver GTA expansions

Uhh. That still doesn't answer anything. No price. Exclusive to "systems" is ambiguous and saying it's LIKE something isn't saying what it WILL be. And we already heard all this.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Did Mass Effect come out for PS3? Same timeline.

I think theres a difference between a full product that has never had any work done on one platform and a 'code only' update to a product available on multiple platforms is pretty different.

I'm more interested on whether or not the money MS paid for this exclusivity will be honoured, or ignored, or refunded. It seems MS are banking (literally) a lot on GTA4 DLC as being a major tentpole in their release schedules this year, if its no longer exclusive, or canned in favour of a non DLC retail release...

 

[Psychotext]

Contracts don't just get nullified when a company gets bought out.

 

[spwolf]

I think theres a difference between a full product that has never had any work done on one platform and a 'code only' update to a product available on multiple platforms is pretty different.

I'm more interested on whether or not the money MS paid for this exclusivity will be honoured, or ignored, or refunded. It seems MS are banking (literally) a lot on GTA4 DLC as being a major tentpole in their release schedules this year, if its no longer exclusive, or canned in favour of a non DLC retail release...

a lot of people are of the opinion that 50 million is a lot more than 1 billion.

 

[Dabanton]

I think theres a difference between a full product that has never had any work done on one platform and a 'code only' update to a product available on multiple platforms is pretty different.

I'm more interested on whether or not the money MS paid for this exclusivity will be honoured, or ignored, or refunded. It seems MS are banking (literally) a lot on GTA4 DLC as being a major tentpole in their release schedules this year, if its no longer exclusive, or canned in favour of a non DLC retail release...

I don't think multi billion dollar companies with lawyers who are paid obscene amounts of money for being the best in the business are going to overlook fine details.

 

[Death Dealer]

Setting The Record Straight On GTAIV DLC
Microsoft said at the breakfast that no other platform will get this DLC. It’s exclusive to them and to them only. From what was said, and Brian Crecente even questioned it, Playstation 3 won’t be getting any additional content for GTAIV. This could mean that they get it later or they get completely different content. We don’t know at this time.

http://www.thebitbag.com/2008/02/23/setting-the-record-straight-on-gtaiv-dlc/

This blogger seems to be unsure of everything. He's leaving open many possibilities. Key phrase being "we don't know at this time".

 

[Tmac]

I wouldn't be surprised if that contract is time-based or has certain loopholes that would allow R* to also make more money selling extra content for the PS3 version...but hey I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

Exactly, if you have one of the biggest franchise ever, you have enough power to make the rules.

To buy an (real) exclusive deal like that, 50 million equals to nothing, you whould have to pay a lot more.


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Dont you guys remember that GTA once was an exclusive (for a period of time) ps2 game? Having a simultneos release is already a victory for microsoft, and that's explain that $50 million check.

Exclusive content? gta3, gta:vc, gta:sa, gta:lcs, gta:vcs, they all once was exclusive to either ps2 or psp, what makes you think that this time things will be different?

 

[sinnergy]

Exactly, if you have one of the biggest franchise ever, you have enough power to make the rules.

To buy an (real) exclusive deal like that, 50 million equals to nothing, you whould have to pay a lot more.


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Dont you guys remember that GTA once was an exclusive (for a period of time) ps2 game? Having a simultneos release is already a victory for microsoft, and that's explain that $50 million check.

Exclusive content? gta3, gta:vc, gta:sa, gta:lcs, gta:vcs, they all once was exclusive to either ps2 or psp, what makes you think that this time things will be different?

Did they pay BIG money for those? I think that's what makes the difference now...

 

[picsou]

one (stupid?) question .
if the content is really like another GTA vice city .
why not have a retail version ? people always prefer retail version (warhawk, GT 5 ,...)

ps: sorry for my bad english

 

[Tmac]

Did they pay BIG money for those? I think that's what makes the difference now...

What's exactly big money? 50 million may appear as a lot, but is it?

Previous gta's sold 12 million, 14 million and 15 million on PS2.

If you estimate GTAIV selling 8 million copies on ps3, and an expansion attach rate of 70% @19,99 each, that equals to $112 million cash. And on top of that, if you also consider that the development costs were already paid off on the previous released expansion xbox version, those $112 million comes as almost pure profit. And we totally disconsidered that Sony could come with a similar offer (which i'm sure they already did in the past), they could easily offer discount on royaties, online distrib costs, etc, making those $112 million potention loss a couple thousands higher.


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And btw, someone mentioned that those 50 million were only advance sales. Can anyone clarify that? Did m$ paid 50 million straight out and Rockstar will keep it no matter what, or that will be deducted from sales/online sales and was a mere type of loan?

 

[jet1911]

If you estimate GTAIV selling 8 million copies on ps3

What?

 

[Zzoram]

What's exactly big money? 50 million may appear as a lot, but is it?

Previous gta's sold 12 million, 14 million and 15 million on PS2.

If you estimate GTAIV selling 8 million copies on ps3, and an expansion attach rate of 70% @19,99 each, that equals to $112 million cash. And on top of that, if you also consider that the development costs were already paid off on the previous released expansion xbox version, those $112 million comes as almost pure profit. And we totally disconsidered that Sony could come with a similar offer (which i'm sure they already did in the past), they could easily offer discount on royaties, online distrib costs, etc, making those $112 million potention loss a couple thousands higher.


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And btw, someone mentioned that those 50 million were only advance sales. Can anyone clarify that? Did m$ paid 50 million straight out and Rockstar will keep it no matter what, or that will be deducted from sales/online sales and was a mere type of loan?

Rockstar doesn't really believe the DLC will sell well. You are insane to think an attach rate of 70%, that is ridiculous. Not even 70% of console gamers are connected online, and the offline people will be buying GTA in equal or greater proportions as it's more of a casual hardcore game. Also it was revealed that Idolmaster making $2million on DLC was the 2nd biggest DLC cash cow in it's day, before the release of Halo 3 and Rock Band. Presumably Gears of War or Guitar Hero 2 was the only game above Idolmaster back then.

 

[Tieno]

What's exactly big money? 50 million may appear as a lot, but is it?

Previous gta's sold 12 million, 14 million and 15 million on PS2.

If you estimate GTAIV selling 8 million copies on ps3, and an expansion attach rate of 70% @19,99 each, that equals to $112 million cash. And on top of that, if you also consider that the development costs were already paid off on the previous released expansion xbox version, those $112 million comes as almost pure profit. And we totally disconsidered that Sony could come with a similar offer (which i'm sure they already did in the past), they could easily offer discount on royaties, online distrib costs, etc, making those $112 million potention loss a couple thousands higher.
?

I'm sorry, no one buying the PS3 version cares about the expansion.

 

[Mikewarrior]

I'm sorry, no one buying the PS3 version cares about the expansion.

They might once they see it.

 

[M3wThr33]

http://www.thebitbag.com/2008/02/23/setting-the-record-straight-on-gtaiv-dlc/

This blogger seems to be unsure of everything. He's leaving open many possibilities. Key phrase being "we don't know at this time".

Exactly. This whole debate is around speculation on a product that no one knows about.

 

[Death Dealer]

why not have a retail version ?

Who says there won't be ?

 

[Tieno]

They might once they see it.

This thread is full of might's.

 

[Mikewarrior]

This thread is full of might's.

Not much different than potential & just wait until such & such a time.:lol

 

[Ariexv]

What's exactly big money? 50 million may appear as a lot, but is it?

Previous gta's sold 12 million, 14 million and 15 million on PS2.

If you estimate GTAIV selling 8 million copies on ps3, and an expansion attach rate of 70% @19,99 each, that equals to $112 million cash. And on top of that, if you also consider that the development costs were already paid off on the previous released expansion xbox version, those $112 million comes as almost pure profit. And we totally disconsidered that Sony could come with a similar offer (which i'm sure they already did in the past), they could easily offer discount on royaties, online distrib costs, etc, making those $112 million potention loss a couple thousands higher.

So 80% of the people who own Ps3s are going to buy GTA IV?

 

[Goldrusher]

And btw, someone mentioned that those 50 million were only advance sales. Can anyone clarify that? Did m$ paid 50 million straight out and Rockstar will keep it no matter what, or that will be deducted from sales/online sales and was a mere type of loan?

Read this article: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6023&Itemid=2

 

[TAJ]

So... if EA buy Take Two, what are the chances GTA4 DLC will actually remain exclusive?

Spoiler

or anything more than cheatcode unlocks?

And the delusion train just keeps on rolling...
In the event of a buyout, EA would have to honor all of Take Two's obligations, including this contract with MS.
This sort of thing is the reason why companies are often reluctant to buy companies that have a lot of debt.

 

[antiloop]

So 80% of the people who own Ps3s are going to buy GTA IV?

7.5 million PS2 owners will buy a PS3 for GTA IV. duh!

 

[picsou]

GTA 4 only on HD DVD

http://www.alapage.com/-/Fiche/Jeux...box 360&id=150761203423862&donnee_appel=JVCO5

Support : HD-DVD :lol

 

[Kafel]

GTA 4 only on HD DVD

http://www.alapage.com/-/Fiche/Jeux...box 360&id=150761203423862&donnee_appel=JVCO5

Support : HD-DVD :lol

This website always does the mistake. But you knew it, right ?

 

[Ariexv]

It begins

 

[140.85]

Is there a story behind how MS was able to pull off such a coup against Sony in regards to getting this DLC content exclusive?

Any articles around?

 

[Oni Jazar]

Is there a story behind how MS was able to pull off such a coup against Sony in regards to getting this DLC content exclusive?

Any articles around?

Not that interesting a story really. MS payed a shitton for content, Sony didn't.

 

[SPEA]

It begins

Seems so. What is it being advertised on?

 

[Ariexv]

Seems so. What is it being advertised on?

the only GTA IV poster in gamestop(the 2 I visited atleast)

 

[SPEA]

the only GTA IV poster in gamestop(the 2 I visited atleast)

True. True.

 

[Narag]

the only GTA IV poster in gamestop(the 2 I visited atleast)

I noticed that at mine too. It was part of a nice 4 game info spread for 360 games.

 

[chubigans]

the only GTA IV poster in gamestop(the 2 I visited atleast)

It wasnt a GTA poster though, just a poster with four DLC games (Rockband, Halo 3, some other one and GTA).

 

[Uncooked]

This news seems to be very difficult for some people to take.

 

[Ariexv]

For the people claiming $50 million isn't enough for anything of decent size..... You also have to remember when the $50 mill was paid... R* was in huge trouble financially when it happened and probably decently desperate, that $50 million was probly seen as alot more then that to them at the time, suddenly the deal turns from $50 million dollars for DLC, to "Staying in Business for DLC"