Looking back, he even did the hand magic with graphics/effects from the Doctor Strange movie too, they really were going all obscure with that reference
Wait, he's a sorcerer? I'm not familiar with the classic Guardians team.
Looking back, he even did the hand magic with graphics/effects from the Doctor Strange movie too, they really were going all obscure with that reference
Wait, he's a sorcerer? I'm not familiar with the classic Guardians team.
Wait, he's a sorcerer? I'm not familiar with the classic Guardians team.
Peter lost his immortality the moment his dad died. His dad even yells at him that he's going to become a normal human if he dies.
Yes he is the sorcer supreme that takes over after Dr.Strange becomes the new Ancient One.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume Peter lost his Celestial half.
Peter is the first and only of Ego's children to even have a Celestial half, so to assume that Ego knows for certain what would happen to that part of him if Ego dies is a bit much.
Peter also wasn't immortal or impervious as far as we know due to his Celestial half. He definitely seems more durable because of it but not immortal. He was suffering from exposure when he saved Gamora in the first movie, but it was at what looks like a slower rate than he should have.
Anyone read the GotG comics? Do they say?
Yeah, his dad said he'd be immortal as long as he could get back to the light in the planet because he has the celestial genome so I figure Peter can probably feed off/control any celestial light or whatever. The planet just happened to be a point where it was manifesting in the universe.
Anyone read the GotG comics? Do they say?
I enjoyed Gamora and Nebula's plotline but jesus christ did it seem like they were trying to kill each other. It was kind of weird for them to go from that to being on good terms after firing space rockets at each other.
Do you have a sibling? I can tell you as the younger brother to someone five years older than me this whole dynamic is very legit. We would try to tear each other apart and five minutes later be best friends again. It's family man, that was the entire tone of the movie.
Do you have a sibling? I can tell you as the younger brother to someone five years older than me this whole dynamic is very legit. We would try to tear each other apart and five minutes later be best friends again. It's family man, that was the entire tone of the movie.
this reminds me of another trending thread on Page 1 in OT GAF... LOL
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1374183
Ego wasn't tapping into something else. Ego was tapping into Ego. Did you listen to his story of how old and primal he is? That force is him.Why would Peter's celestial powers be linked to his dad? I mean yes he gets the celestial gene from him but why would his dad dying would leave him powerless? Shouldn't Peter be able to tap into whatever mojo Ego was tapping into for his powers?
I mean, it's right there in the name. His name is Ego. He is consumed by self-importance. And it also mirrors colonialism. It's not enough for the West to be the West -- the West has to try to make every other part of the world into the West too.Also I didn't quite get Ego's motivation, he wants to make every planet in the galaxy a part of him because why exactly ?
yeah, you don't file a charge against family unless they put you in the hospital. That is crazy stuff.
He specifically says he was tapping into the "light". Its irrelevant how old he is in this particular discussion. It's why I'm asking the question i.e. why can't Peter tap into the same light?Ego wasn't tapping into something else. Ego was tapping into Ego. Did you listen to his story of how old and primal he is? That force is him.
Yes but what is it exactly achieving ? What's his purpose behind that ego? What does he want after he makes everything his own extension? There has to be a driving factor behind an ego as well, a justification that only makes sense to him but a justification nonetheless.I mean, it's right there in the name. His name is Ego. He is consumed by self-importance. And it also mirrors colonialism. It's not enough for the West to be the West -- the West has to try to make every other part of the world into the West too.
There were no Nova Force in this at all. Like, did they even mention them?
It's kinda impressive how little they reuse from the first movie.
I lost it at "I'd force them to have a psychiatric evaluation." Actually crying with laughter
So that he wouldn't be tempted to go to Earth and be with herWhy did Ego deliberately choose to give Peter's mother a brain tumor?
Why did Ego deliberately choose to give Peter's mother a brain tumor?
Why did Ego deliberately choose to give Peter's mother a brain tumor?
So that he wouldn't be tempted to go to Earth and be with her
He says he thought if he went back to Earth one more time to see her he'd never leave and would stay with her. He kills her to remove that temptation.
He legitimately loved her, but he thought his mission was more important, so he killed her to remove the temptation to return.
He legitimately loved her, but he thought his mission was more important, so he killed her to remove the temptation to return.
Yes but why did he have to even mention it?
Because Ex Machina
Yes but why did he have to even mention it?
Because Ex Machina
Ego's incapable of empathy.
He specifically says he was tapping into the "light". Its irrelevant how old he is in this particular discussion. It's why I'm asking the question i.e. why can't Peter tap into the same light?
This is so well written and described for something that didn't need an argument over lol. Nicely put.I think it's important to distinguish between floating-brain-Ego and humanoid-avatar-Ego.
Brain-Ego created Avatar-Ego because it (being very alien) wanted to experience the human condition. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) is a conduit for Brain-Ego's power, and he needs to regularly return to Brain-Ego in order to recharge his power and remain a small-g god.
Peter is the biological son of Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell), not Brain-Ego directly, and Peter is the only child to have inherited Avatar-Ego's ability to act as a conduit for Brain-Ego's power (which offered Peter some degree of protection against the Infinity Stone, even though Peter had no recent connection to Brain-Ego and no godly power, because Peter has an uncommon ability to act as a conduit for divine power).
Brain-Ego has very little agency. It needs a human avatar in order to understand humanity, and it needs at least two power conduits (small-g gods) in order to move forward with it's expansion plan. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) was a willing conduit (and being generally human, he could have chosen not to kill Peter's mom, but he didn't).
Earlier, Avatar-Ego taught Peter how to reach down into the center of the planet and draw "light" from Brain-Ego, as Avatar-Ego regularly does. Later, Rocket/Groot killed Brain-Ego with the battery-bomb, snuffing out the flame, so there was no more light down there for either Peter or Avatar-Ego to draw upon.
I think it's important to distinguish between floating-brain-Ego and humanoid-avatar-Ego.
Brain-Ego created Avatar-Ego because it (being very alien) wanted to experience the human condition. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) is a conduit for Brain-Ego's power, and he needs to regularly return to Brain-Ego in order to recharge his power and remain a small-g god.
Peter is the biological son of Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell), not Brain-Ego directly, and Peter is the only child to have inherited Avatar-Ego's ability to act as a conduit for Brain-Ego's power (which offered Peter some degree of protection against the Infinity Stone, even though Peter had no recent connection to Brain-Ego and no godly power, because Peter has an uncommon ability to act as a conduit for divine power).
Brain-Ego has very little agency. It needs a human avatar in order to understand humanity, and it needs at least two power conduits (small-g gods) in order to move forward with it's expansion plan. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) was a willing conduit (and being generally human, he could have chosen not to kill Peter's mom, but he didn't).
Earlier, Avatar-Ego taught Peter how to reach down into the center of the planet and draw "light" from Brain-Ego, as Avatar-Ego regularly does. Later, Rocket/Groot killed Brain-Ego with the battery-bomb, snuffing out the flame, so there was no more light down there for either Peter or Avatar-Ego to draw upon.
I liked that Gunn listened to people and showed more how powerful gamora is with Her holding drax at the crash and then lifting that cannon (badass scene). Also drax surviving that crash too showed that he's pretty durable.
I think the biggest problem with this explanation is that there is nothing stopping Brain-Ego from simply creating a second avatar. Peter has to bring something to the table beyond being merely a conduit of power (executed literally in the movie when Avatar-Ego actually refers to Peter as a battery). That, alone, renders the entire conjecture invalid in my mind.I think it's important to distinguish between floating-brain-Ego and humanoid-avatar-Ego.
Brain-Ego created Avatar-Ego because it (being very alien) wanted to experience the human condition. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) is a conduit for Brain-Ego's power, and he needs to regularly return to Brain-Ego in order to recharge his power and remain a small-g god.
Peter is the biological son of Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell), not Brain-Ego directly, and Peter is the only child to have inherited Avatar-Ego's ability to act as a conduit for Brain-Ego's power (which offered Peter some degree of protection against the Infinity Stone, even though Peter had no recent connection to Brain-Ego and no godly power, because Peter has an uncommon ability to act as a conduit for divine power).
Brain-Ego has very little agency. It needs a human avatar in order to understand humanity, and it needs at least two power conduits (small-g gods) in order to move forward with it's expansion plan. Avatar-Ego (Kurt Russell) was a willing conduit (and being generally human, he could have chosen not to kill Peter's mom, but he didn't).
Earlier, Avatar-Ego taught Peter how to reach down into the center of the planet and draw "light" from Brain-Ego, as Avatar-Ego regularly does. Later, Rocket/Groot killed Brain-Ego with the battery-bomb, snuffing out the flame, so there was no more light down there for either Peter or Avatar-Ego to draw upon.
Wait, he's a sorcerer? I'm not familiar with the classic Guardians team.
I think the biggest problem with this explanation is that there is nothing stopping Brain-Ego from simply creating a second avatar. Peter has to bring something to the table beyond being merely a conduit of power (executed literally in the movie when Avatar-Ego actually refers to Peter as a battery). That, alone, renders the entire conjecture invalid in my mind.
This is just conjecture, but he probably used the most "natural" cause of death on Earth that would both alleviate any suspicions of foul play and explain away her "crazy" talk of her "starman" lover.The thing that really bothered me was that Ego said he killed his non-celestial children without causing any pain/suffering but for some reason he decided to kill Quill's mother in one of the most painful/upsetting ways possible? And even if he was lying about how he killed his children, which is certainly possible, when did he even have time to give her the brain tumor in the first place? If it was after Quill was born why didn't he simply take Quill with him at that point, and if it was before why did he risk killing her before he knew whether Quill was a celestial or not?
It seemed like an utterly contrived moment of over-the-top villainy because they had zero trust or confidence in the audience whatsoever. I mean seriously, how fucking stupid do they think we are that they felt it was necessary to pull out the old "I killed your mom" line (with cancer to boot) to establish a character's villainy and justify Quill's reaction. Apparently they didn't think Ego's plan to consume all life in the galaxy was enough of a heel turn for the audience to respond to.
And it was completely unnecessary because they had a far simpler and more elegant substitution that would have accomplished the same purpose in a more character-driven way; death by inaction. As a celestial, he easily could have cured her cancer, but a refusal to do so would have been much more in keeping his uncaring nature while still giving Peter a justification for a violent reprisal.
Exactly. This is why I'm not grasping how it's misogynistic.The jokes are funny when the deliverer is the butt of the joke and not the recipient, as is the case here. Everytime Drax said anything inappropriate, the laughs were at his expense, not Mantis'.
-Too many post-credit sequences, I think.