Yeah i don't know much about this particular case, the term "white knight" obviously has legitimate uses too, but on gaf it's almost always a knee-jerk reaction in any gender-related debate.
As far as Felicia Day is concerned btw I am a fan, I find it hard to see how anyone could have a problem with her.
I think he posed a valid question. I would think Destructoid wouldn't have a problem with it especially since they've got Jim Sterling.
I don't have a problem with her but I do find Bioware making her a central point of DLC a weird kind of creepy pandering. But that's totally on them.
It's pretty bad because it's not like White Knights don't exist, which is indeed a problem in gaming and yet another reason for why a lot of women avoid hardcore gaming (the "Nice Guys" from Off-Topic), but I think the topic title shows precisely why it's stupid to think of this as merely a matter of gender.50% Knee Jerk Reaction.
50% people mistaking saying something good about Topic X as defending it. It's the same principal behind people having to suffix every post with "but EA/Activision still sucks".
Apparently anyone who isn't female and calls out misogynism (I'm not talking about this thread specifically) is a "white knight". It's an easy way of dismissing a topic that makes some people uncomfortable.
I remember seeing her on some Microsoft E3 conference (?), presenting some social networking integration. Outside of that, i don´t know what she is doing.
the only person thats been called out for being a white knight in this thread is wil wheaton though.
I kinda like the line.
Go fuck yourself, you opportunistic puddle of miscarriage soup.
This is ridiculous, people get fired for expressing their own opinions in their own free time now? Or was he tweeting on the job?
Twitter is going to be the downfall of humanity.
Its the beginning of the end.
ATTENTION: If any girls are reading this please mildly annoy Jim Sterling on twitter right now. The time is right and we can get some shit accomplished.
gamefaqs.Didn't realize there was so much vitriol for Destructoid. What sites are approved? Just curious.
This is ridiculous, people get fired for expressing their own opinions in their own free time now? Or was he tweeting on the job?
This is ridiculous, people get fired for expressing their own opinions in their own free time now? Or was he tweeting on the job?
felicia day's contribution to gaming shouldn't be underestimated. she's done voice acting. for games. that's more than most of you lot.
then again, Jade Raymond actually makes a difference in video games, so she's not all that and then some.
and tera Patrick also did voice acting in video games. so day's impact on games is on the same level as a porn star.
do voice actors have an impact on video games?
you'd think gamers and wallets have more impact...
It's pretty bad because it's not like White Knights don't exist, which is indeed a problem in gaming and yet another reason for why a lot of women avoid hardcore gaming (the "Nice Guys" from Off-Topic), but I think the topic title shows precisely why it's stupid to think of this as merely a matter of gender.
People get fired all the time from making stupid comments on Twitter or having party pictures in Facebook. Destructoid seems to be more tongue in cheek than most gaming sites, but still, with Gaming still as a growing industry, the last thing you'd want is to have your site associated with anything that could be seen as "sexist", so it all adds up.
Nobody here is defending Day's honor in order to eventually sleep with her, which is the supposed mean of White Knight. Throwing the term around everywhere just makes you look like a Strawman.
how do you determine whether or not someone is defending someones elses honor to sleep with them? is there a way about doing this?
how do you determine whether or not someone is defending someones elses honor to sleep with them? is there a way about doing this?
Nope.
We could begin with them being overtly defensive of whoever they're defending regardless of how wrong/right the situation is and the chances of her actually reading it are high, probably mentioning how weak and defenseless they'd be unless someone from a Priviliged Position did something to help her. Mention her attractiveness when it's pointless, too.how do you determine whether or not someone is defending someones elses honor to sleep with them? is there a way about doing this?
so then whats the point of even adding that addition to the mix?
"entertaining and The guild" in the same sentence?
When will the haters?
They can come for her when they've produced anything as remotely entertaining as The Guild.
Until then, take a seat and shut the fuck up.
She only got those jobs because she was famous for 15 minutes on the internet.felicia day's contribution to gaming shouldn't be underestimated. she's done voice acting. for games. that's more than most of you lot.
then again, Jade Raymond actually makes a difference in video games, so she's not all that and then some.
and tera Patrick also did voice acting in video games. so day's impact on games is on the same level as a porn star.
do voice actors have an impact on video games?
you'd think gamers and wallets have more impact...
Sounds like some blown out or proportion situation. Why cares if people make some bad comments on Twitter. Guy went from 50 to 2000+ followers for no reason also. Nice social media experiment. Videogame drama...
I only just had my GAF account authorized a couple days ago, so I apologize if I'm just popping "out of the blue."
I'm an editor for Destructoid, and Ryan Perez was an intern who we brought on recently. I met him during E3, and he's a great guy. I'm not defending what he said to Felicia Day, because it was terrible no matter how you slice it. However, I don't believe Ryan fancies himself extra special just because he's a games blogger. He honestly was not familiar with Felicia Day's body of work, her name came up in a discussion with his friends, then he jumped onto Twitter before thinking about his actions clearly. An unfortunate decision that cost him, but I don't think less of him. He leaped before he looked, is all.
So yes, this whole affair was rather disappointing, but he really isn't the self-important misogynist that he's been painted as on Twitter.
The guy kind of has a point she is popular for being a good looking gamer girl
and making some crappy online show. I highly doubt she would have became as popular as she did if it was not for her looks.
Justify Destructoid not firing this douche
or admit your principles are worthless.
"entertaining and The guild" in the same sentence?
That show is unoriginal, bland, cliche-ridden and not funny or remotely entertaining.
Wait, so he was basically fired because he called out a woman in the industry? Would this have gone down differently if it wasn't a woman?
Wait, so he was basically fired because he called out a woman in the industry? Would this have gone down differently if it wasn't a woman?
Wil Wheaton ‏@wilw
To be clear: Felicia is my friend, so this is personal for me. But it's also about men being shitty to successful women, especially gamers.
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Wil Wheaton ‏@wilw
Until then, shut the fuck up and go back to your sad little lives, jerking off alone every night. Okay? Great. Thanks.
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Wil Wheaton ‏@wilw
Listen, dicks, when you contribute 1/100 of what @feliciaday has contributed to gaming culture and independent production, you can talk.
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I have fucking had it with idiot asshole men being shitbags to @feliciaday because they're threatened by her creativity and success.
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just because he's her friend doesn't change the fact he's doing some textbook white knighting
Wait, so he was basically fired because he called out a woman in the industry? Would this have gone down differently if it wasn't a woman?
Do we know anything about the context of Jim Sterlings tweet? To me it just looks like someone insulting someone because they're annoyed at them, not because they're a women.