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Halo 2 VS Halo 3 GT Comparison :(
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plagiarize
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meh, i know that PDZ is doing more impressive stuff in these two screens, but i also know which one gives me a headache.dark10x said:
AltogetherAndrews
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plagiarize said:
Cluttered, isn't it?
That's a real capture.Gattsu25 said:
The problem with PDZ is its HDR lighting usage. Like PGR3, certain positions would result in a dull haze. There are some REALLY ugly locations in the game as well. The jungle area is one of the best, I thought, along with the second and third missions.
dark10x said:Noticed I mentioned their framerate failure? It was a serious problem. The game was a seriously flawed piece of software, but it did some things very well. It should never have been a launch title.
Some PDZ shots for comparison fun...
Those screens make me want to play PDZ past the 2nd mission where I stopped. They look pretty nice.
plagiarize
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and it's art of course. PDZ overuses just about every flashy thing it can do. way over done HDR, bloom, bump mapping (parallax i think but could be displacement, been a while), and reflections.dark10x said:
m0dus said:Again, it boils down to the visual style of the game, the size and scope, as well as the nature of what is being compared (single vs. multiplayer).
I popped in the beta again, just now, and gave it a once-more through. As I said, many of the effects are subtle, if not understated. Since we're, at this point, used to shit litterally blooming / blowing up in our faces, it's understandable that people might sense a void when the game doesn't blind you with specular highlights on every surface, or overdone bloom effects washing everything out. that being said, what is there is indeed awesome--I dunno, maybe I'm just too impressed with valhalla's lighting, water effects, foliage, and textures (esp. the central structures.). Going back and forth between it and Halo 2, there is honestly no comparison.
I don't give a rat's ass if the game field is super duper vast - remember Bungie guys pointing out in the E3 trailer that "see those mountains in the distance? that's no placeholder or mere textures. Those are actual polygonal mountains that you can hop on a banshee and reach" or something ridiculous like that.
the bottome line is Halo 3 beta is neither demonstrating that kind of graphics nor anything to rave about. Stop saying "compare to Halo 2". Of course it looks better than Halo 2!!! Do you expect anything less??? But does the beta has the visuals that make people go "WOW!!! That looks simply awesome!!!"? No. No. No.
meltpotato
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GSG Flash said:
it's no excuse. it's reality- for better or worse. how is the trailer much different? i'm sure you will see the battle-worn MC with long draw-distance in the single-player.
meltpotato said:
You can't really go out and say it's reality unless you are one of the developers on the team making the game, unless you are which then...well...errr
I for one think the established art direction for the series is not holding the game back graphically. Maybe the game will look better in single player (although Halo 2 to me looked superb in both multi and single) but GOW has already shown us the 360 can pump out nice visuals in both single and multi. I'm not willing to give Bungie a free get out of jail card just because this is Halo 3.
meltpotato
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GSG Flash said:
uh.. what? nevermind, i completely give up! :lol
Holy zombie Jesus! You guys are comparing the atrociously designed Perfect Dark Zero with beta Halo 3?! :lol
PDZ is just rooms and corridors packed with shaders to conceal it's major shortcomings, the most prominent one being the LACK OF FUN GAMEPLAY. UNGH! I feel the urge to slap someone!
PDZ is just rooms and corridors packed with shaders to conceal it's major shortcomings, the most prominent one being the LACK OF FUN GAMEPLAY. UNGH! I feel the urge to slap someone!
AltogetherAndrews said:
Man, I don't even play Halo regularly, so there's only one fanboy in this conversation. Feel free to go look at my scores on Bungie.net and you'll find no MP for Halo2 and all of one game for H3. You can take all the offense you want to being called a fanboy, but even a brief perusal of your posts tels the story to anyone who cares.
m0dus said:Again, it boils down to the visual style of the game, the size and scope, as well as the nature of what is being compared (single vs. multiplayer).
I popped in the beta again, just now, and gave it a once-more through. As I said, many of the effects are subtle, if not understated. Since we're, at this point, used to shit litterally blooming / blowing up in our faces, it's understandable that people might sense a void when the game doesn't blind you with specular highlights on every surface, or overdone bloom effects washing everything out
There's a design philosophy on display in these Halo 3 screens that has not been mentioned. In a word: Clarity.
Valhalla is absolutely coated in foliage of many different kinds, just like many of the pics from other games people (speevy) have posted. That foliage is kept very short and is spaced such that it never, ever obscures weapons, grenades or equipment placed or dropped on the ground. Bungie could have built tall, dense grass but that would lead to frustrating hunting around for stuff - where that sniper rifle, where did he drop it?!!? Oblivion, anyone?
That philosopy of "clarity" extends to the lighting, to the way the spartan models are lit and to the "clean" look of many areas. It's not cluttered on purpose.
Two other notes. Frankie has said in past Updates that in the final game, the foliage decorators will be both interactive - they move aside as you go through it - and destructable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in those PDZ shots, the foliage is something you just clip through, and it never responds to gameplay? It's an important distinction that won't come out in screen shots.
Campaign has none of the "clarity" requirements the MP arenas have because they are about immersion, not making a level combat arena. We'll be seeing fog, darkness, rubble etc. Also, longer grass and denser foliage, which we've seen in the wireframes Bungie has posted.
AltogetherAndrews
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besada said:
I wasn't even talking about you, you nit. :lol
Winterblink
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Vrolokus said:
True, but who's fault is that? The players, or the console manufacturers playing up the visual capabilities of their hardware? I mean, remember when the 360 and PS3 were unveiled, and each side was busy comparing the size of their own penii?
dark10x said:Accoridng to this thread, it's impossible to capture Halo 3 in a screenshot.The actual beta is rumored to look completely different and the screenshots are designed to fool us poor fools who did not buy Crackdown or find another way in.
Gotcha. But come on. This:
Is a total joke. It's like someone compressed it, added jaggies, slapped some opacity on it, and then compressed it again.
It is possible to do good screen grabs.dark10x said:Accoridng to this thread, it's impossible to capture Halo 3 in a screenshot.
(stolen from Voc's site
VictimOfGrief
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......anddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd you're blocked.michaeld said:
Wha? I don't think that would be necessary. If you were actually serious, though, I appreciate the offer.PM me your address and I'll ship you my copy if you promise to return it when the beta ends. I don't need it.
I'm going to hit up some other rental stores while I'm out today and see what I can find.