Its a core feature of the series!? Thats like buying a new 2d mario game and there aren't any power ups in it until 3 months after launch. Im not the one to blame for having unrealistic expectations when 343 are the ones who went into this project with a scope that they could not manage and it came at the cost of core fucking features.
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Yeah. How could one expect co-op at launch, after 1 year delay when it was in any game before and no couch co-op was one of the biggest mistakes of Halo 5 according to the head of the studio.
Wrong, the game isn't missing core gameplay elements, it's only missing a couple features at launch. Those features do not hinder a majority of peoples experiences. SO while I play the fuck out of Infinite on Legendary, you can hang back and not play. Won't bother me a bit.
Which is still coming to the game. Chances are the overhaul they did on the visuals and various other things pushed the Coop and Forge modes out to ensure the game was what people wanted. Unfortunate for them, you can't please everyone.They didn't outright say it but this is pretty close to a promise. They said they would never release another halo without split screen support which insinuated co-op.Gaming Archives
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Games like Halo Infinite and Sea of Thieves will get continuous support. New modes and levels will keep getting added. If they held off release until there was nothing left to update these games would never come out. Think of SoT waiting to release until after the Pirates expansion was done. This is the nature of live service titles. I'm bummed Halo Infinite doesn't have Co-op at launch but I'm willing to at least see what they release before getting outraged and calling it incomplete. They said 3 months, lets see if they make this time frame.
Hence, why I suggested they release multiplayer this fall and delay campaign until it's ready. Co-op is a series staple that people want. Now that doesn't seem too entitled does it?
Stopping a complete multi-million dollar game from releasing because a small element is not complete? Give it to me now, I'll play coop when it get's here. As I said, the majority of people won't use the feature.
The “promise” of live services (the “oh but subscription optimised games will only make things better” bit) according to so easy that games would get the same core base game they would always get AND they would keep getting extensions and updates/improvements over time.
It's not a zero sum game. No game gets worse with more time and it's not like 100% of resources would be dedicated to including co-op, everything would be getting polished. But to each his own, I'm willing to wait. Hell, I think it should be delayed until proper Next Gen features like raytracing could be implemented.
Do you have any evidence that we are getting something smaller or that the developers held something back? This game in particular was always advertised as having seasonal content and getting updates for the coming years. There are plenty of successful games using this model of content delivery. Destiny 2 is one such example and I don't think we would be better off if that game was delayed until Witch Queen. For a single player offline title I could see a person complaining about missing features to be delivered at some future time. This isn't that.
You're right and I'm glad we have the option to either pretend the game doesn't exist until it has the features you want or play it at launch as it is AND play in the future with additional content. Options are good.
I think that's an industry issue, not one specific to "Live" titles. The high initial cost of making games and the ability to patch them easily means we are moving more towards an "Early Access" model where consumers are effectively beta testers. In that context, an initially smaller scale but more polished product seems like a better option than a mess like Cyberpunk.
Isn't an announcement of features not being there on launch date proof of something being held back? I mean, come on.
It is a core feature. Fundamental as Joseph Staten himself said - and anyone saying otherwise - you’ve been playing halo wrong. There. That is my final opinion. They also reiterated multiple times split screen co op would be available at launch throughout this development so… I don’t know why people are getting annoyed that many of us are rightfully extremely disappointed by this.
Not having co-op and forge is not the same as missing levels. The fact that this game is seasonal shows this game was always going to get additional content. Are you even aware this isn't like any previous Halo title? I'm willing to play the game BEFORE getting outraged.
I honestly can’t fathom how you could be a halo fan without playing it co op - it’s part of the draw of the series.
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Yep, considering it's been there day one for all previous titles you would have thought they would have had this ready. They had a huge amount of development time, resources, budget & even had an additional year to get it polished. It's quite a fuck up.
Hey man I’m just saying I’m willing to bet a lot of the success of halo is around the social aspect of the game - and that includes campaign - you might like to play it solo but there are plenty of solo FPS games that are just as good as a solo experience. You working together with someone else through the game is where their campaigns shine the most. It’s like when people go back and call Halo CE boring - yeah it’s boring if you play it alone. It’s playing in the sandbox with someone else where the magic comes through
You don't play Halo for the story, you play it for the gameplay/fun. At least, given the writing in Halo, I think that would be the case for most people. The story is just backdrop for the shooting action. I played through all of the Halos I played with friends. There is no denying that was always a big draw of the series.
Exactly - I’m willing to bet most of the people who prefer campaign (like me) prefer to play it with friends and do not give a fuck about the actual confusing as hell storyline. It’s not like the halo games are masterful stories, any of them - the gameplay is what makes it.
You are joking, right? The title of the thread… maybe
?I get that, but it feels odd… it is also a false dichotomy IMHO: as if getting very messy games at launch or early access reduced games we need to spend monthly fees to get the old full experience I used to get were the only two choices. I do hope it is not the case, not convinced yet.
But people are acting like it’s not coming. It’s frustrating, honestly. No delays just stop whining because it’s not coming day 1.
Most games with ongoing support (what I was calling "Live" titles) are financed by microtransactions, not ongoing fees, and Infinite doesn't seem to be an exception to that, since the multiplayer is launching as F2P. In a world where Gamepass didn't exist, it's not clear that Infinite would be much different. Halo 5 also launched with a limited selection of maps and modes and was "made complete" post-launch.
So no co-op at launch is equal to a reduction in game content? It is a mode. The campaign is still in the game and you can play that with friends on the second season. Forge will be there season three. Let's not make this more than what it is.You are joking, right? The title of the thread… maybe
Yes, that is the definition of it… less content == reduction of game content.
No we just have a different definition of reduction in content. It is a game mode. It is not missing levels. It is not releasing the campaign in episodes. It is the same game but you can play with your friend. That is NOT a reduction in game content. Most importantly it is coming in 3 months. Just like the Xbox Series launch it's not how you start its how you finish. This fall is looking very different than last and perhaps that bothers you.
