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Descoping would be pretty sweet, but I'd almost rather see CSR be in-game. Not that it's an either / or situation.
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Halo |OT16| Oh Bungie, Where Art Thou?
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From a Designer for the Halo 4 Team Throwdown Playlist.
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Demoncarnotaur
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TBH- I hate descoping. But Im also no fan of flinch. I wish there was another way to handle that issue.
I recall Frankie saying that they don't have the time/resources to implement CSR into the UI. Wait for Halo 5.
Yeah, would be awesome if they did it for Halo 4 -- but this all sounds like stuff for 5.
I don't understand? My issue was with global ordnance as it stands. I don't like the fact it's completely random and leads to unfair matches. You said its alright because while I get screwed over a few matches, I also benefit sometimes so it evens out. Then you say you like the system but that it should be predictable? Isn't that what static ordnance was before? Set weapons spawning at set locations on a set timer.
What was wrong with it how it was in the previous 4 games? It worked pretty well. Also what does lag have to do with anything I said?
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They should have made the Forerunners and Prometheans modelled after the enemies from Starship Troopers.
I want to be able to hop in a Wathog and yell, "Lets go kill some bugs!!"
Starship Troopers is such a good movie.
The base defense scene when the Bugs attack and they're waiting for evacuation should be some type of Spartan Ops level against Grunts or the Flood or something.
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Everything gets blurry when you shoot while scoped and get shot. Boom roasted. No flinch no descope.
I want to be able to hop in a Wathog and yell, "Lets go kill some bugs!!"
Starship Troopers is such a good movie.
The base defense scene when the Bugs attack and they're waiting for evacuation should be some type of Spartan Ops level against Grunts or the Flood or something.
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Everything gets blurry when you shoot while scoped and get shot. Boom roasted. No flinch no descope.
From a Designer for the Halo 4 Team Throwdown Playlist.
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Bit late to be implementing all that now. They might as well just ditch Halo 4 now, and start getting their shit together for Halo 5.
Demoncarnotaur
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Blurry doesn't change your aim, though, so it's really not much of a disadvantage in medium-range battles. I suppose it could affect long range, where theoretically the other player could strafe, but I think in practice pinging people at long range would be just as bothersome as descoping and flinch.
So you're saying descoping should be random.
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De-scoping worked great for four halo games. I think they should patch it into halo 4 and never go back
Sorry if I wasn't being clear. I was suggesting how I thought global ordnance could be changed to work as opposed to just completely removing it.
And I don't think anything was wrong with how it worked before, but I think there could be an evolution of it. I was glad to see them try, but I don't think it completely worked.
Lag is my own personal priority. Bullshit moments happen more often for me due to connection than some of this other stuff. Whether or not my shot is going to hit or if someone is going to suddenly disappear is more random in the games I've had than some of the mechanics.
StalkerUKCG
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De-Scoping, In Game CSR and Weapon Buff/Nerfs + A playlist without the shit and I could get behind Halo 4.
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You kill hope.
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You rather have it easy, I getcha.
Huh?
343 need to get rid of all the CoD flinch and CoD perks from my Halo. Only thing 343 needs to take from CoD is 60fps.
Awwwwwwww man.
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B-but they discussed it!
I never knew descoping bothered people. I can see how it's jarring to someone who's never played a halo game before, but it became second nature. I never got used to flinch, and ever since I unlocked stability, I don't use anything else
Descoping>Flinch, especially when it comes to snipers as well.
Descoping>Flinch, especially when it comes to snipers as well.
that explains things
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So, I just noticed Halo 4 hit GOD?
I thought this game hit rock bottom already?
I thought this game hit rock bottom already?
Descoping is practically irrelevant in Halo CE with the Pistol, the magnetism and aim assist doesn't fall off until much farther ranges, so you don't need to constantly scope to get mid-long range shots with accuracy. But, because the aim assist and magnetism was well tuned and not stupid easy, along with there being strict hitboxes and actual strafing, it all worked out for excellent gunplay.
Halo CE's engine solved most of the problems people complain about in later Halo's, but no one remembers because it wasn't on XBL or they were 5 years old. Descoping also is not an issue in Shadowrun because it was built on the Halo CE engine. Descoping only really effects Snipers in both games, which is perfectly fine because it is a power weapon and Pistol/Rifle should be able to ping them out of scope.
Back to arguing about shit Halo though guys.
Halo CE's engine solved most of the problems people complain about in later Halo's, but no one remembers because it wasn't on XBL or they were 5 years old. Descoping also is not an issue in Shadowrun because it was built on the Halo CE engine. Descoping only really effects Snipers in both games, which is perfectly fine because it is a power weapon and Pistol/Rifle should be able to ping them out of scope.
Back to arguing about shit Halo though guys.
Yeah I was assuming this is more halo 5 stuff
StalkerUKCG
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I was 17 in 2007 post makes me feel old.
I had just turned 20 when Halo 3 came out. Ridiculous how fast time flies. Going to be interesting to see by the time Halo 5 comes out, kids who probably never played 1-3, talk about the series.
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Descoping is serious business apparently.
Look, I know it adds a layer of skill to the game. I still found it annoying. Not fun. Same with flinch.
Perhaps of DMR fire didn't pop you out of a sniper I wouldn't mind it as much.
Look, I know it adds a layer of skill to the game. I still found it annoying. Not fun. Same with flinch.
Perhaps of DMR fire didn't pop you out of a sniper I wouldn't mind it as much.
Don't feel shame. I feels ya.
I definitely think the 3x DMR scope is one of the reasons it bothered me a heck of a lot more, when I never really noticed it as much before Reach, but that's a whole 'nother issue.
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That's the whole point of descoping and why people hate sniper in this game. You don't descope when shot and so it's easy to kill anyone.
Reloading isn't fun either, but there is a reason guns don't have bottomless clips. It's meant to facilitate timed combat and skill. You can't just shit there scoped with a weapon pinging people from a difference the whole time.
If anything, couple a sniper or DMR with stability, which is gives you a no flinch, no descoped experience and you easily have the advantage over everyone.
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Flinch really ruins team snipers, I think snipers flinch more when you're shot by another sniper, so it's whoever gets the first shot wins. In the other Halos you at least had a chance to strafe and quickscope them for the headshot or body shot to throw off their second shot.
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Descoping=Reloading now? Last I checked, I don't find reloading to be frustrating.
I hate descope in Reach because the DMR has an incredible range, and the balance is thrown off IMO. I don't mind it at all in Halo 3.. but with the new sandbox I don't like it at all.
Anyways, same pros and cons exist for flinch. I don't like that one either, but I feel like others hate on it because its a CoD thing.
De scoping helps to counter the DMR....
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The problem with flinch is that it isn't consistent. With descoping you at least know what is going to happen every time you're shot. Flinch is random and unpredictable.
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