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[Shake Appeal]

The problem with this kind of review sessions is of course that you usually don't get a good picture of multiplayer or any online components. I think you might have noticed a thing or two about journalists and their gaming skills.

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And yet the perception of multiplayer is highly related to how well you do in it.

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I rarely see good, thorough analysis about multiplayer in game reviews.

Good post. Eurogamer sometimes split reviews and cover the multiplayer a week or two after the game has seen public release, but even then it feels cursory, and you can tell their hearts aren't in it. And how do you review an MMO properly, for instance? After ten hours? Twenty? After its first expansion? After a thousand hours?

Fortunately, Reach is one of those one or two games that come along each year were reviews are completely irrelevant to me.

 

[Chinner]

seeing as we're all pretty bored in this thread, i decided i think you guys should watch 100 ways to watch a cat:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=87p53rAD7Sk

Spoiler

i watched all 35 minutes of it; the ending is actually amazing

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Exactly.

This is not how the system works. You don't go to the store, take what you want off the shelf, take it out of the store without purchasing it, and then later, perhaps, if you feel like it, pay for it. Not even credit cards work like this.

How isn't it that simple?

If you honestly think what he did was wrong, you should be chastising him for doing it, not being all buddy-buddy with him and benefiting from what he stole. Anything else would be hypocritical.

Woah step back a minuite. Your asking him to argue with a friend of his over this. :lol :lol :lol

Piracy is wrong, but come on, Bro's before... Intellectual Property rights. At the end of the day friends are going to do worse things in theyre lives than pirate stuff, if your really going to end friendships based on if they download, your not a very tolerent guy.

Life is full of bad stuff, (much worse than piracy) and when it comes down to it the people who dont hang around HaloGaf arent going to understand why pirating Reach is such a bad thing, especially if they intend on buying the game.

Turkish if I was in your place I would just wait in fear of spoiling something for myself, but I cant believe how badly hes been chastised for what his friend has done. :lol

 

[Photolysis]

I'm with Ghaleon on this one in the sense that, it's all fun and games until you have friends that work in game design. I've gotten to know a few people at bungie personally, they've invited me into their house, I've been given the privilege to play some of their stuff early. I was never a pirate to begin with, but once you can put a face and name to this stuff, its flat out disrespectful to tread on something they've spent so much time and energy on.
I just couldn't do it.

I can understand that to an extent. When you actually talk first hand to people at Bungie you definitely notice their passion and commitment, as evidenced by how they interact with the fanbase. I also consider it a privilege to be able to play the betas early, and to get an insight into the technical details, and it's one reason of many I respect Bungie and its employees so highly.

From their perspective, seeing the game being ruined for fans, I'm sure it sucks, and I think we can all feel for them.

Equally though, people need a sense of perspective. There's no need to treat a Halo fan who's played it a bit earlier as some kind of monster who goes around stabbing kittens with a fork.

 

[georgc]

Sampling? Would you consume food in the supermarket before you've bought it too? :lol

You don't have kids do you? Many of times i'm in the market and the little one gets a snack bag to keep him quiet. It's paid for at the register and no one complains.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Yea I had two games of MLG ruined for me before I had to goto work due to terrible internet connections. The one game it was so bad their team had a guy lag out and we still lost. That was embarassing but the dude who had host was foreign and went like +15 so no big deal, it was just a host win. Other game was close but still had a bunch of bullshit that would be a kill in 90% of any other game but yet kids were just eating shots bullets would hit their body and then just not take shields away. I was doing pretty well despite it all.

Can't wait for Reach to get here, HITSCAN, GOOD NETCODE. NO SPREADY BR.

As for playing the game right now, I never saw the harm of playing a leaked campaign early, almost all of us here at least are going to purchase it so we can go run around in matchmaking. They are playing a crippled version. As long as the company who made the game gets the cash I don't see a problem. Besides the obvious FUCK YOU FOR GETTING TO PLAY AWESOMENESS BEFORE ME. :lol

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Equally though, people need a sense of perspective. There's no need to treat a Halo fan who's played it a bit earlier as some kind of monster who goes around stabbing kittens with a fork.

No, but that doesn't mean we have to like it either, losing respect for that person makes sense.

I've a friend who's a pretty rampant pirate, and I've given out to him and made my position clear. He doesn't work (in college) but that doesn't morally clear you to download watch & play whatever, it really doesn't.

 

[squidhands]

Dear Abusive Teammate,

The reason your team 'suck so bad' is because you came into the game with your shitty complaining attitude and whined about their performance from the bat. You caused them to be annoyed and disinterested in the victory because it would have meant something to you to win. Your asinine insults and truculent whining piss guaranteed we would not only take the loss just to hurt you, but we never once tried to help you when you were being punked ruthlessly by the lead Shawshankers from the opposing team. In short, I am glad they rectally flushed you and I am happy knowing that almost every experience you have in life is frustrating and difficult and that you will never realize it's YOU not them.

Not gonna lie; I had to look this up.

And to throw my hat in the "friend has a copy of the game already" thing, you should definitely give him shit for pirating it. It's what friends do to keep each other grounded in relative decency, and you shouldn't condone that behaviour by playing it with him.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Not gonna lie; I had to look this up.

it's a g1. he meant 2 write 'uninterested', tho..

 

[Palette Swap]

I get the point of guilt by association if you see your friend playing a leaked game and can agree to an extent. However by that logic, you shouldn't even tolerate people disscussing gameplay streams provided through illegal means.

Anyway, that cat video is pretty good. Looking forward to a sequel (101-200).

 

[Slightly Live]

You don't have kids do you? Many of times i'm in the market and the little one gets a snack bag to keep him quiet. It's paid for at the register and no one complains.

Without seeming like I'm trying to tell someone how to raise their own kid, but if that was my kid, I'd keep something for him on me for when I'd go to the market to avoid doing that in the first place.

My imaginary kid, however, doesn't get snacks in the first place.

 

[Magni]

You don't have kids do you? Many of times i'm in the market and the little one gets a snack bag to keep him quiet. It's paid for at the register and no one complains.

To keep kids quiet you don't need to buy them random snacks. My parents have never had to do that a single time, and there were five of us, it's called good education..

It's hard trying to keep your friends from pirating, I lend them games, movies, music all the time. They're not paying for them, but at least they're not pirating 'em either, feels better..

 

[Karg]

To chime in on the piracy deal, as I've gotten older I certainly have more respect for other people's work put into something. Working some shit job you hate or is a placeholder, its harder I guess to have that perspective really burned in. To really take pride in something you've helped contribute towards, but only to watch it go to shit or be taken advantage of, its just a hard blow to take.

As far as the comparison on watching the streams vs playing the leaked version........damn the internet for making it so tempting.....damn it to hell.....I've resisted so far....


Posted by Photolysis:

Equally though, people need a sense of perspective. There's no need to treat a Halo fan who's played it a bit earlier as some kind of monster who goes around stabbing kittens with a fork

That would make a great tag.......

 

[The Wise Old Man]

As for playing the game right now, I never saw the harm of playing a leaked campaign early, almost all of us here at least are going to purchase it so we can go run around in matchmaking. They are playing a crippled version. As long as the company who made the game gets the cash I don't see a problem.

I agree with this. As a company, Bungie will make massive cash on Reach no matter what. I have no idea what the figures are, but I bet that gaming piracy isn't nearly as financially detrimental as the piracy that goes on for other forms of media such as music and movies. Bungie will be fine. Is it disrespectful and douchey to pirate Reach? Sure it is, but it's also wrong to grab all the tuna rolls at the sushi buffet but some prick did that to me last weekend. Assholes exist, but usually they get called out for it sooner or later.

With or without piracy, the idea of them making Halo 3 money on this game is pretty doubtful, IMHO. The marketing isn't getting the job done.

Also, call me cynical, but I'm a bit suspicious about this entire leak story. It reeks of a stealth PR campaign to me. Why would the perps so brazenly adverstise their actions? Why would Bungie make it so apparently easy to acquire the game? Something is fishy here.

 

[Karg]

To keep kids quiet you don't need to buy them random snacks. My parents have never had to do that a single time, and there were five of us, it's called good education..

It's hard trying to keep your friends from pirating, I lend them games, movies, music all the time. They're not paying for them, but at least they're not pirating 'em either, feels better..

Are you calling him a bad parent for doing that?

What do you do with your kids?

(Stealth Edit: Didn't mean it to come out that way)

 

[Devin Olsen]

Also, call me cynical, but I'm a bit suspicious about this entire leak story. It reeks of a stealth PR campaign to me. Why would the perps so brazenly adverstise their actions? Why would Bungie make it so apparently easy to acquire the game? Something is fishy here.

Why do people always assume there is some sort of PR involvement with these leaks...

The 'perps to brazenly advertised their actions' because it is a bunch of dumb modder kids who's ego's are to big for their own good. They manage to pull off an impressive thing by pulling the game off of Microsoft's Server, so they want to boast about it... It's human nature, nothing more then that.
Bungie has nothing to do with the leak, period. It was Microsoft that put it on their servers... Bungie makes the game and then wipes their hands of it, Microsoft makes decisions like whether to Mail Review Discs out or to do Digital Distribution.

There is nothing fishy here, just simply an expensive lesson learned by Microsoft.

 

[Jon93]

Concerning the YouTube ban, Youtube has a digital video finger print algorithm that can detect videos from a certain product and mass ban them (really cool shit and I'd kill for a peek at the source).

So when Microsoft hit the switch they forgot to add Bungie's youtube to the friendly channels list, so they got caught in the VERY effective crossfire.

Why do people always assume there is some sort of PR involvement with these leaks...

The 'perps to brazenly advertised their actions' because it is a bunch of dumb modder kids who's ego's are to big for their own good. They manage to pull off an impressive thing by pulling the game off of Microsoft's Server, so they want to boast about it... It's human nature, nothing more then that.
Bungie has nothing to do with the leak, period. It was Microsoft that put it on their servers... Bungie makes the game and then wipes their hands of it, Microsoft makes decisions like whether to Mail Review Discs out or to do Digital Distribution.

There is nothing fishy here, just simply an expensive lesson learned by Microsoft.

To Microsoft's defense, they had locked down the files with some crazy encryption so that only xboxs with a special permissions could play it. This is what took so long for the leak to go public, they had to piece by piece crack the game.

 

[Miggytronz]

Why do people always assume there is some sort of PR involvement with these leaks...

The 'perps to brazenly advertised their actions' because it is a bunch of dumb modder kids who's ego's are to big for their own good. They manage to pull off an impressive thing by pulling the game off of Microsoft's Server, so they want to boast about it... It's human nature, nothing more then that.
Bungie has nothing to do with the leak, period. It was Microsoft that put it on their servers... Bungie makes the game and then wipes their hands of it, Microsoft makes decisions like whether to Mail Review Discs out or to do Digital Distribution.

There is nothing fishy here, just simply an expensive lesson learned by Microsoft.

THIS

 

[Magni]

So you're just calling him a bad parent?

What do you do with your kids?

Not every kid is the same as well......

I'm 19, I thankfully don't have kids yet. I'm not calling him a bad parent, I don't know him or his kids enough to call him that. I'm just saying giving in to your kids whining at the supermarket by buying them snacks, and letting them eat it in the supermarket, is in general bad parenting.

a) It's not polite. You eat before you pay at the restaurant, not at the supermarket. You're not supposed to eat or drink in a supermarket anyways.

b) Giving in to your kids all the times tends to make them more impatient whiny bitches. The more impatient and whiny they get, the more you'll give in to them. Repeat ad infinita, and once they're adults, they tend more than not to be adult assholes.

c) Depending on the snacks bought, it's unhealthy. Snacking on the whole is an unhealthy habit.

 

[The Librarian]

Why do people always assume there is some sort of PR involvement with these leaks...

The 'perps to brazenly advertised their actions' because it is a bunch of dumb modder kids who's ego's are to big for their own good. They manage to pull off an impressive thing by pulling the game off of Microsoft's Server, so they want to boast about it... It's human nature, nothing more then that.
Bungie has nothing to do with the leak, period. It was Microsoft that put it on their servers... Bungie makes the game and then wipes their hands of it, Microsoft makes decisions like whether to Mail Review Discs out or to do Digital Distribution.

There is nothing fishy here, just simply an expensive lesson learned by Microsoft.

I don't understand it much either. It's like some people are trying to make something more of leaks than what it is: leaks.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Also, call me cynical, but I'm a bit suspicious about this entire leak story. It reeks of a stealth PR campaign to me. Why would the perps so brazenly adverstise their actions? Why would Bungie make it so apparently easy to acquire the game? Something is fishy here.

Pre-order your tin-foil hat today!

 

[Karg]

I'm 19, I thankfully don't have kids yet. I'm not calling him a bad parent, I don't know him or his kids enough to call him that. I'm just saying giving in to your kids whining at the supermarket by buying them snacks, and letting them eat it in the supermarket, is in general bad parenting.

a) It's not polite. You eat before you pay at the restaurant, not at the supermarket. You're not supposed to eat or drink in a supermarket anyways.

b) Giving in to your kids all the times tends to make them more impatient whiny bitches. The more impatient and whiny they get, the more you'll give in to them. Repeat ad infinita, and once they're adults, they tend more than not to be adult assholes.

c) Depending on the snacks bought, it's unhealthy. Snacking on the whole is an unhealthy habit.

Understood, I won't go any further, this could easily go way off track more so than is normal for a HaloGAF thread......

 

[BrLvgThrChmstry]

EDIT: Fuck it. Threads been derailed enough as it is...

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

EDIT: Fuck it. Threads been derailed enough as it is...

:lol Good man.

So do we know when the last or epic piece of the live action ad campaign is going to drop? From those screens on HBO it looks like it is going to be pretty awesome.

 

[derFeef]

:lol Good man.

So do we know when the last or epic piece of the live action ad campaign is going to drop? From those screens on HBO it looks like it is going to be pretty awesome.

Where? what screens?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

:lol Good man.

So do we know when the last or epic piece of the live action ad campaign is going to drop? From those screens on HBO it looks like it is going to be pretty awesome.

I thought I heard this Thursday, but I could be mistaken.

 

[LunaticPuma]

Can we please stop calling it a leak? The game was stolen from the servers.

 

[shas'la]

Makes sense. Probably a "Spend 2 days in a Hotel Conference Room" situation with organised MP to ensure reviewers try out MP, FF & Forge. Demos going through the important features etc.

This. See you UK guys on thusday if you're attending!!

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Where? what screens?

They're gone now but search on hbo for Kat and you should find the story.

 

[derFeef]

They're gone now but search on hbo for Kat and you should find the story.

Thx, sounds good!

 

[bobs...onGaf]

This. See you UK guys on thusday if you're attending!!

Im in the UK but I have no idea about this event - can I go to it without being a reviewer? Where is it held?

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

They're gone now but search on hbo for Kat and you should find the story.

Edit: Booo the pics are gone, weird they still load for me. Probably because I haven't cleared my cache yet.

 

[Neverender]

Can't see them

 

[Gui_PT]

VVVVEdit: Thanks! Those look sweet =)

Anyone need help with 200k's today?

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

Any chance you could upload them somewhere?

 

[derFeef]

Is that Kat stabbing an elite?

edit: hm no, no robo arm.

 

[Popeck]

Im in the UK but I have no idea about this event - can I go to it without being a reviewer? Where is it held?

Naah, Microsoft sends invites to magazines and websites.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

Is that Kat stabbing an elite?

edit: hm no, no robo arm.

Believe it is Carter. So hopefully this vid continues the birth of a Spartan, watch him rise of the ranks briefly and then BAM kicking ass and stabbing Elites.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Is that Kat stabbing an elite?

edit: hm no, no robo arm.

Looks like Carter to me. Its pretty exciting since we know Kat will be in this also.

 

[angelkimne]

Has anybody picked up the OXM special yet?

It's supposed to release today, and I could do with 17 pages of 'must read interviews, trivia and secrets'.

 

[neoism]

I told you about tritton AXpros (cheaper 100-150) And Astro A40s. I would go with Astro A40s and I've owned both.



Do you reap ass grapes from butthole fishhooking?

thanks

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Naah, Microsoft sends invites to magazines and websites.

Booo.

Bungle, I demand you have a private event for Gaf, with Reach and Beers and Hookers.

Anyway the live action shorts on Remember Reach are a lot better than theyre 30 second counterparts. I guess this next video will go live there, where did people get the Thursday date from?

 

[neoism]

VVVVEdit: Thanks! Those look sweet =)

Anyone need help with 200k's today?

me I can go on anytime. til 2 PM est. then I'll be on later at like 430.est

 

[Chip N Chance]

Heres some official Microsoft Halo Reach wallpapers, and posters. Thought id share.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I'm with Ghaleon on this one in the sense that, it's all fun and games until you have friends that work in game design. I've gotten to know a few people at bungie personally, they've invited me into their house, I've been given the privilege to play some of their stuff early. I was never a pirate to begin with, but once you can put a face and name to this stuff, its flat out disrespectful to tread on something they've spent so much time and energy on.
I just couldn't do it.

This is a big part of what informs my perspective on the issue. I try to humanize things rather than rationalize them in the abstract. It also informs my approach to conversation online, as I've met and know many Bungie folks; I try not to type something I wouldn't feel comfortable saying in person, to anyone. (Don't always meet that standard, though.)

Edit: ^^ those are awesome. I love the third one down, of the team.

 

[Miggytronz]

^^nice pics

 

[Falagard]

Heres some official Microsoft Halo Reach wallpapers, and posters. Thought id share.

Haha, very cool. Those are really high quality 3d models.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Carter looks more and more like Kurt Russel. :lol

 

[DrBo42]

No love for 6, Emile, or Jun? Jun has the best armor IMO.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Did the RememberReach.com timer get pushed back? I could swear two hours just got tacked on.