• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • Hey Guest. Check out the NeoGAF 2.2 Update Thread for details on our new Giphy integration and other new features.

Has Nintendo given up on AAA gaming?

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
Sep 2, 2007
31,626
4,786
1,470
Kinda got the feeling that Nintendo got hit hard by COVID delays since their biggest sellers are often games from 2017.

I'm also speculating that Metroid Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 are taking way longer to make than anticipated.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: _Ex_

Ten_Fold

Member
Jan 18, 2017
2,407
2,125
480
You want those western walk, stop, walk stop, walk, cutscene, limited combat type of game? Or boring open world games with a ton of shit to do that’s just meh?

Nintendo is gameplay first, they make games with unique design that sells millions and NEVER really drop in price. Those AAA games will be like $20-30 in 6-7 months after release.
 

BadBurger

Gold Member
Nov 6, 2019
2,529
4,128
545
I think their going with the Switch, a 720/1080p console, in 2017 can be interpreted as them definitely not chasing the AAA market. If publishers want to bring those products to the Switch at vastly reduced resolution and performance Nintendo seems eager to suit them, however.
 

Arcadia88

Member
Apr 2, 2020
274
211
250
Nintendo currently belongs with the other 2 big names.
Those names are iOS and Android.
If we are to say AAA then it needs to be paired with AAA(mobile).
Mobile is a sea of Z games. ZZZ being the absolute bottom of the garbage bin.
But every once in a while something floats to the top. 1 percent of 1 percent of 1/2 of a percent.
iOS Android Nintendo. Have to put on rubber boots before diving into these stores. Yuck
 

Abriael_GN

Member
Feb 26, 2019
2,049
9,437
630
Italy
twinfinite.net
I have to disagree. I think Rise for its system the Switch is a great looking good and a great looking game in general that looks and feels like a mainline game in every way.

In a lot of ways it looks better than world. It's a AAA game. Plus it'll get released on the PC in the future according to the Capcom leak so you know they're aiming for a big time game here even if you don't think the Switch is worth it.

Sure man. Think what you want if it makes you feel better 😂

It's funny that some people think that "AAA game" simply means "I like the way it looks" 😂

Also Nintendo Fans - Omg I can't wait a switch pro. 4k graphics!! Omg BOTW 2 looks so great this is a triple A game!!! Game of the CENTURY!!! SUCK IT SONY FANBOYS!!!!!!!

Well, Breath of the Wild 2, like Breath of the Wild, likely is high budget enough to classify it as an AAA game.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Goro Majima

Hawks Eclipse

Member
Nov 15, 2019
1,142
1,045
480
The Switch will be entering its 5th year next month.
Next month it'll turn 4 years old, unless you're the type who rounds up once something ages a day over its anniversary.

Edit: Okay, looking back at it, your wording is correct, so don't mind me. I do prefer to view it as "turning 4 years old" instead of "entering its 5th year".
 
Last edited:

Kataploom

Member
Jan 30, 2014
1,238
791
725
Colombia
LMAO seems like many really believes those absurly good lists (Mother 3, MP4, new F-Zero, new Wave Race, etc.) cause the hangover is getting serious around here lmao.

BTW, Nintendo is not a AAA dev for the most part, their games are good, but that doesn't mean they are 100 M projects.
 

NahaNago

Member
Aug 29, 2014
3,853
1,254
525
Nintendo has been this way for awhile. Expecting them to make AAA games nowadays is just silly. It's weird cause I honestly wish that Sony and Microsoft would make more games like Nintendo and I wish Nintendo would make a couple of games like Sony and Microsoft. Just 1 or 2 AAA games a gen from Nintendo honestly would probably sate the Nintendo community.
 

Clarissa

Banned
May 15, 2019
1,224
2,369
645
Well, Breath of the Wild 2, like Breath of the Wild, likely is high budget enough to classify it as an AAA game.
That's why I cited BOTW 2 as an example. It is a Triple A game.
So despite Nintendo fans saying they aren't interested in triple A games, they actually are.

Someone I know hates open world games but because of Botw, now loves open world games (Only BOTW though, he still hates a other open world games especially the PlayStation exclusive ones)
 

_Ex_

Member
Oct 5, 2019
259
396
295
Why make a AAA game when u can just port an old game, charge full price and sell 20 million copies?

 
  • Like
Reactions: MilkyJoe

R6Rider

Member
Jan 22, 2020
1,764
2,286
420
USA
The people in here claiming that most PlayStation and Xbox AAA titles are "walking and talking simulators" are very similar to the people who claim all Ubisoft games are the same.

Both are full of shit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GymWolf

Burythelight

Member
Dec 25, 2020
241
404
250
Well, they didn’t announce any 3rd person walking simulators, with protagonists that talk to themselves every 20 seconds, if that’s what you mean.

Thank god.
Enjoy Mario golf, 60$ dollar remaster with no effort and splatoon ripp-off. Nintendo AAA games are "deceparacidos" That's what he's talking about.
 

turtlepowa

Banned
Mar 27, 2020
2,366
3,968
415
The people in here claiming that most PlayStation and Xbox AAA titles are "walking and talking simulators" are very similar to the people who claim all Ubisoft games are the same.

Both are full of shit.
Wo said Xbox has walking sims?
 

Abriael_GN

Member
Feb 26, 2019
2,049
9,437
630
Italy
twinfinite.net
That's why I cited BOTW 2 as an example. It is a Triple A game.
So despite Nintendo fans saying they aren't interested in triple A games, they actually are.

Someone I know hates open world games but because of Botw, now loves open world games (Only BOTW though, he still hates a other open world games especially the PlayStation exclusive ones)

Oh yeah. The usual Nintendo fan will love whatever Nintendo makes and hate whatever Nintendo doesn't make... until they make it 😂
 
Jun 28, 2013
2,160
1,914
805
Nintendo just cares about profits. Not like a matters. They gimp on pokemon games they sell the same regardless. Hell Im a switch hater. Guess what I just bought my 4th switch. Mario Edition. Giving one to my little cousin.
 

Burythelight

Member
Dec 25, 2020
241
404
250
If Sony made an announcement of game 5 years ago like Zelda, bayo 3 and shin megami tensei, it would be torn a part. I'm disappointed by the the lack of information and Nintendo 0 effort in gaming. I want those games very bad.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: _Ex_

turtlepowa

Banned
Mar 27, 2020
2,366
3,968
415
If Sony made an announcement of game 5 years ago like Zelda, bayo 3 and shin megami tensei, it would be torn a part. I'm disappointed by the the lack of information and Nintendo 0 effort in gaming. I want those games very bad.
Nothing Sony does gets torn apart. I think you meant Microsoft.
 

Marvel14

Member
Sep 30, 2020
138
216
255
Here's an unpopular opinion i bet:

Nintendo front loaded lots of AAA games at the beginning of Switch's life...learning the lesson from Wii U. In its first 4 years: Zelda, Mario, Luigi, Smash, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Pokemon, Mario Tennis, Yoshi, Kirby, Mario Kart circuit, new IPs Arms, Astral Chain, Mario+Rabbids,

I am probably missing some but that's more than 3 per year which is not too shabby.

Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus and a few other IPs are still to show up though.

Suspect we will get a few more in the next year or 2 but some of the big tentpoles may be held back for the next hardware launch which might be as early as next year.
 

Twinguistics

Member
Jun 1, 2014
844
513
530
I hold Nintendo in higher regard than that. They are the king of game design and are primarily responsible for games being an art form. If Nintendo has turned into Netflix where they just wnt to churn out "content" for the masses to consume then i will be devastated as a life long gamer.
But most of their recent games have been lazy rubbish. They used to be a bastion of quality not this argument doesn't hold anymore.
 
Nov 22, 2019
411
732
305
What are triple A games exactly? The live service shit Ubi, EA, WB spit out every year? Lol

Just a reminder, Nintendo is opening theme parks this year. They arent beholden to any rules ps and Xbox tards think they should follow. Nintendo is beyond a console manufacturer or a game company. They don't need to sell stripped down pcs to get people on board with their products. The question isn't "is Nintendo falling behind Xbox and Sony?" the question is, "are Xbox and Sony even on Nintendos level?" and the answer to that is a hard no.
 

mcjmetroid

Member
Feb 11, 2019
2,967
3,967
510
Limerick, Ireland
Sure man. Think what you want if it makes you feel better 😂

It's funny that some people think that "AAA game" simply means "I like the way it looks" 😂



Well, Breath of the Wild 2, like Breath of the Wild, likely is high budget enough to classify it as an AAA game.
So.. to you there can be no AAA games for the Switch because it a weaker system?

Super Mario Odyssey is not a AAA game, Breath of the Wild is not a AAA game?

You should be laughing at yourself for such a shit take. I know I am.
 
Last edited:

royox

Member
Nov 3, 2013
4,655
3,009
775
34
I am going to put this in the most delicate manner possible so as to not turn this into a console war. Does Nintendo really care about AAA gaming like Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft, Take Two, and EA do?

I watched this Direct today and I was quite frankly blown away by almost a complete lack of new AAA games. I think I saw a Monster Hunter spin off, but that was it. Zelda is still not ready, Metroid is still not ready. It's been four years for teasing, and quite frankly if they had anything else during this period, the wait for BOTW 2 wouldnt have been so agonizing.

The Switch will be entering its 5th year next month. If we dont count cross gen games like Zelda, I am struggling to see what other AAA games they have released since. Animal Crossing, Smash, Mario Odyssey? I dont even want to go into a debate about whether or not they are AAA, but surely this is simply not good enough for fans who want to have AAA games with that Nintendo magic.

Both Microsoft and Sony are bending over backwards buying studios if not entire publishing companies, signing developers for exclusives, putting millions into bigger AAA first party games, and here we have Nintendo just sitting there making Mario Golf, Splatoon 3, and pretending that it's enough. Looking at sales, it maybe is, but as a gamer I feel like Nintendo has simply given up. They have found their market and that market is making them billions, but that market isnt your average hardcore gamer who visits gaf and plays AAA games.

Let's put it in another way?
Why should they invest their time and resources in AAA games when:

-They just upgrade the resolution of WiiU games, relaunch them for full price and they sell like crazy.
-They put roms of 3 old games in 1 cardtidge, sell them for full price as a limited product, and they sell like crazy.

We are talking about a company that still considers this is the "voice chat" their consumers deserve:


They don't care about videogames anymore, only about selling their system and filling it in the fastest way possible (via remasters and ports of WiiU games).

2021, still no news about Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3, or BOTW2. They are the Smoke sellers.
 

Abriael_GN

Member
Feb 26, 2019
2,049
9,437
630
Italy
twinfinite.net
So.. to you there can be no AAA games for the Switch because it a weaker system?

Super Mario Odyssey is not a AAA game, Breath of the Wild is not a AAA game?

You should be laughing at yourself for such a shit take. I know I am.

Have you read the entirety of the post or you were foaming at the mouth so much at the second line that you didn't get to the end? 😂

Sure man. Think what you want if it makes you feel better 😂

It's funny that some people think that "AAA game" simply means "I like the way it looks" 😂

Well, Breath of the Wild 2, like Breath of the Wild, likely is high budget enough to classify it as an AAA game.
 
Last edited:

Redlancet

Now on perm warning for console warring
Jun 7, 2020
1,665
3,123
525
If I made garbage like animal crossing and selln millions wadda u expect? Let the pillowfuckers enjoy their games and play whatever you like, at this point im not gonna engage in any conversation with any Nintendo fanboy, its wasting time
 

cireza

Member
Jun 1, 2014
8,051
6,574
700
They don't need games, Switch is selling like crazy. Why waste precious games to support a console selling like this ? They decided to keep the big games to boost a new hardware, and it makes perfect sense.
 

GymWolf

Member
Jun 11, 2019
15,067
21,944
615
They still make a buckload of money with 1000 yen budget games, why change something that work so well?!
 

Shadowstar39

Member
Apr 25, 2018
582
697
380
Is Monster Hunter Rise not considered AAA game? Also Rise considered mainline MH.

This. Also there are lots of great ports from pc and such that work crossplay. Its great being able to play Divinity original sin 2, civ 6, witcher 3 , save and continue on the pc, and vs versa.

I just got outerworlds on sale (wasn't even going to get it but i'm a sucker for sales), and next month got kingdoms of amalar, monster hunter rise, and Mario 3d world just came out. There are games. More than i can say for the PS5 and xbone2. Oh and at least switch is obtainable now, compared to ps5/xsx/pc gpus.
 

UnNamed

18+ Member, acts like 12 year old console warrior
Dec 21, 2006
1,782
2,899
1,525
Somewhere in Bananaland
Animal Crossing is for kids.
Smash Bros please stop.
Mario 3D is a blatant port.
Splatoon 3 is Splatoon 1 reskinned.
Hyrule Warriors have no soul.
Pokemon is for kids Remastered.
Paper Mario I don't like RPG.
Third Party games, nobody buy a Nintendo console for TPG
Indie games are so indie.


Why Nintendo has no games?
 
Last edited:

greencoder

Member
Oct 7, 2019
361
765
460
They have found their market and that market is making them billions, but that market isnt your average hardcore gamer who visits gaf and plays AAA games.

Unrelated to the topic, but your "average hardcore gamer who visits gaf and plays AAA games" plays no more than 10 games a year (even though buys 40+ games) and pretends to be a gaming-guru. If a person plays only AAA games, he is a regular gamer. I don't consider a person to be a hardcore gamer if he doesn't play at least 900 hours a year.
 

GymWolf

Member
Jun 11, 2019
15,067
21,944
615
You want those western walk, stop, walk stop, walk, cutscene, limited combat type of game? Or boring open world games with a ton of shit to do that’s just meh?

Nintendo is gameplay first, they make games with unique design that sells millions and NEVER really drop in price. Those AAA games will be like $20-30 in 6-7 months after release.
Waiting for any footage of a game made by nintendo (so no astral chain or monster hunter) with a boss fight as good as the valkirye in gow or the 500 zombie horde in days gone or the 3 polar dinobear in horizon dlc, limited combat while enjoying stuff like zelda, luigi's mansion or really any other nintendo games, shake my fucking head...
 

GymWolf

Member
Jun 11, 2019
15,067
21,944
615
Actually all monster Hunter boss battles are better than Valkyrie fights and in my opinion MH series has vastly better combat than GOW 2018. This also true vast majority of boss fights in Astral Chain.
They are not made by nintendo, they are from capcom and platinum and you can find pure action games and monster hunter games outside of nintendo console, did you even readed my post?!

Also, only the major battles in mh against the best monster are better than the valkirie, especially sigrun that has like 20 different moves.

Fucking up creatures like a barroth or the fucking lava shark or another shitload of minor monsters are still not on the level of the valkirye imo.

Preferences on combat are more of a personal taste, but yeah i prefer monster hunter combat myself, but not by a huge margin, gow still has some of the best melee combat from western developer in the past gen.
 
Last edited:

LMJ

Member
Feb 7, 2019
1,001
1,705
550
Sure man. Think what you want if it makes you feel better 😂

It's funny that some people think that "AAA game" simply means "I like the way it looks" 😂



Well, Breath of the Wild 2, like Breath of the Wild, likely is high budget enough to classify it as an AAA game.

I think you nailed it on the head, to me AAA means higher priority on budget and graphics and I would say Mario Odyssey, BOTW, and the like are clearly AAA in Nintendos case, same with Bowsers Fury (have a feeling that's a taste of the next Mario game AKA open world Mario)

I think something many are forgetting is there is still a ton of time and money put into the big N's games like Animal Crossing or Arms (planning, engine work, testing etc)

Now I think the laziness of the ports is inexcusable, particularly considering how well the Switch is selling so I CAN see the "Nintendo is becoming complacent" concerns

If Sony made an announcement of game 5 years ago like Zelda, bayo 3 and shin megami tensei, it would be torn a part. I'm disappointed by the the lack of information and Nintendo 0 effort in gaming. I want those games very bad.

Sony has done that, we waited a looooong time for games from the E3 of dreams (hell last Guardian was a PS3 title at one point) I will say Ninny has been pretty bad lately, though they like everyone do have the whole Wuhan Flu thing to deal with (and a WHOLE theme park to partially run now lol) I jest they have been complacent

But most of their recent games have been lazy rubbish. They used to be a bastion of quality not this argument doesn't hold anymore.

Come on that's simply not true, you can dislike their latest output, but "rubbish" they are not lol
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
Mar 22, 2017
15,957
25,473
1,075
sigrun that has like 20 different moves.
Sigrun basically uses moves from other Valkyries with some of her own moves. I personally find fighting monsters in MH much more engaging, especially satisfying when you break body parts. You also have 14 different weapon that can give completely different combat style.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: GymWolf