Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
train hasnt even arrived yet we just got the tracks laid out and the station built the train is scheduled to arrive when valves games show themselves
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Has VR stalled ?
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train hasnt even arrived yet we just got the tracks laid out and the station built the train is scheduled to arrive when valves games show themselves
shark sandwich
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Haha. I wouldn't even go that deep. People are going to have 2 ways to play a game.
VR: clear the room, watch for wires, strap a head set on your face, hope you don't get motion sickness, control the game by physically moving your head/neck and pantomiming the actions.
Controller: sit on your ass on the couch, do all sorts of complex actions with the twitch of your finger muscles, don't have to be cut off from the real world.
I honestly think that once people have spent some time with VR, MOST of them are going to realize they preferred good old couch/desk gaming.
MrMysterio
Member
From the perspective of an indie developer for VR... actually still super-excited about it.
Think people are still getting their head around what kind of medium VR is.
Seeing a lot of cultural institutions getting into 360 film now - especially dance and theatre companies, and although that's not strictly VR, it does expose you to things like the GearVR, etc.
I can't wait what Squanchtendo (Accounting) are putting out as their first full game. And I can't wait for the first Point'N'Click type of games in VR. Monkey Island VR, etc etc.
Also, keep in mind that most people have not used any kind of VR yet, which will change once the mobile market is doing its next upgrade (or two). Fully expect mobile VR to grow a lot faster than PC VR, though... which means we still have to bake our lighting
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Think people are still getting their head around what kind of medium VR is.
Seeing a lot of cultural institutions getting into 360 film now - especially dance and theatre companies, and although that's not strictly VR, it does expose you to things like the GearVR, etc.
I can't wait what Squanchtendo (Accounting) are putting out as their first full game. And I can't wait for the first Point'N'Click type of games in VR. Monkey Island VR, etc etc.
Also, keep in mind that most people have not used any kind of VR yet, which will change once the mobile market is doing its next upgrade (or two). Fully expect mobile VR to grow a lot faster than PC VR, though... which means we still have to bake our lighting
(((What can I say: I have some time on my hands
. Why I chose to post this instead of playing Zelda (it's awesome), I don't know.But you're right of course. There's just way too much that goes between you and the entertainment with VR. It's just uncomfortable and awkward all around.
karasu
Member
I mean, have you even tried VR? This sounds completely imaginary.
sooperkool
Member
No, because they will quickly realize that they are not actually skilled enough to do any of that stuff you fantasize about doing in games.
DouglasteR
Member
Giant corporations supporting this ? (samsung, facebook, valve etc)
Massive $$ investments (multiple funds and concessions being given)
Tech avaliable and improving in cellphone cycle
Regarding comfort in VR:
Can we all agree that this too will get much better over time with later HMD iterations? Think gen 3-4 of mobile/PC/console HMDs. Like mentioned before, this is just the tip of the iceberg, the first baby step for the VR industry. It'll only get better from here on out, not worse.
Can we all agree that this too will get much better over time with later HMD iterations? Think gen 3-4 of mobile/PC/console HMDs. Like mentioned before, this is just the tip of the iceberg, the first baby step for the VR industry. It'll only get better from here on out, not worse.
VR sales have played out exactly in a way that was obvious before all these headsets launched. Hype, pent up sales and then crash and burn.
They're too expensive, too cumbersome, a pain to set up, uncomfortable, have a mess of wires / dongles, don't have much content and some people suffer headaches, motion sickness etc. from using them.
I think VR will survive in some form but really they should focus on what they're good at - simulators and such like. I reckon flight & racing sim enthusiasts would swallow the cost for the immersive experience. Other people, not so much.
They're too expensive, too cumbersome, a pain to set up, uncomfortable, have a mess of wires / dongles, don't have much content and some people suffer headaches, motion sickness etc. from using them.
I think VR will survive in some form but really they should focus on what they're good at - simulators and such like. I reckon flight & racing sim enthusiasts would swallow the cost for the immersive experience. Other people, not so much.
The thing is that doing what one would consider mundane in a lot of games becomes interesting in VR.
MrMysterio
Member
I'd also add that the tools for actually making VR content are affordable, too, and relatively friendly towards beginners.
Yep, everything is going to get better with time.
We're barely on the first year with VR, a brand new medium. May I remind you all that the first year of consoles you had this to play with?
I don't see it ever going mainstream. It's a curiosity like 3D TV/glasses were. It may maintain a niche status in the background, and never say never to some crazy piece of software lighting the world on fire, but I think it's largely a reach right now in an industry desperately looking for innovation and the next big thing.
Puts it in perspective, doesn't it? This medium is just getting started.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yep, everything is going to get better with time.
We're barely on the first year with VR, a brand new medium. May I remind you all that the first year of consoles you had this to play with?
I think you need reminding that consoles were wildly popular in their infancy. VR isn't pulling in anyone outside of the diehard early adopters.
Its a gimmick of course. But for porn, virtual tour tech it's fine enough. For gaming it's far from ready, so i would say it's a failure. Good from MS they didn't make the same mistake as Sony did with PSVR. On the other hand I believe in some near future it will be more than a gimmick for gaming. I'll be there when it's ready.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't think we're going to see any serious VR adoption until you can pick up a wireless pair of glasses for $200-$300.
I don't understand where tons of people are coming from when they say VR is going nowhere or compare it to a fad.
People who compare 3D TV to VR are talking out of their ass. Many major tech companies are already heavily invested in VR tech, it's played a large part in how fast it's progressed within the past few years. Gaming/entertainment is only a short-sighted way to look at it too, it could be used for education/job training etc. the world's leading tech companies aren't just making it for your vidya games.
It was never in a position right now to offer what you think it was going to do. Nobody claimed/hyped otherwise.
With better technology and time VR is only inevitable. Even if it takes decades, it will get there.
People who compare 3D TV to VR are talking out of their ass. Many major tech companies are already heavily invested in VR tech, it's played a large part in how fast it's progressed within the past few years. Gaming/entertainment is only a short-sighted way to look at it too, it could be used for education/job training etc. the world's leading tech companies aren't just making it for your vidya games.
It was never in a position right now to offer what you think it was going to do. Nobody claimed/hyped otherwise.
With better technology and time VR is only inevitable. Even if it takes decades, it will get there.
I'd say that's a fair assessment. Price, comfort, variety/depth & quality of software must come together for that mass market adoption. I don't feel we'll see this in the next generation of VR HMDs either. I do feel we'll see it in 3rd or 4th gen though.
flyinpiranha
Member
GAF is the worst place to talk about VR. Specific subreddits are the best bet for actual discussion.
I mean, I've demo'd to a ton of people and they are blown away that "that" is possible and I remind them that we are in the early stage. Robo Recall is legitimate too. An absolutely amazing experience.
Is everybody going to buy it? Of course not, most can't even run it. That's not the point though. It's like saying NVIDIA is wasting their time with the 1080tI .. a certain group will purchase and push. The rest will dive in when it's cheaper or has <feature> they want.
Look at everybody with 4k HDR TVs, wouldn't have seen that a couple years ago.
VR is supplemental to my gaming. I still game on my PS4, PC with a XB1 controller, or just playing Zelda on the Switch.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah this is really what it feels like
Charles Brandon
Member
I enjoyed watching netflix on Google daydream. If I could watch TV (Sky) through it, I would. But I don't think I can.
Yup. It's important to keep perspective.
Now imagine where we'll be in 10 years(gen 3/4). I like where we're heading.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
...and far more useful.
That's like complaining that people think the Apple Watch is expensive when they own an iPhone.
Purple Cheeto
Member
There's not much money in VR development for games. The people who are most accepting of the current level of VR are not the kind of people who are willing to drop $1000 on hardware for it.
High end VR will remain niche for a long time. Mobile VR, with an emphasis on non gaming applications, is probably more likely to succeed in the immediate future.
High end VR will remain niche for a long time. Mobile VR, with an emphasis on non gaming applications, is probably more likely to succeed in the immediate future.
I'm still interested in getting a PSVR at some point, but it's sold out everywhere I go.
Until there are demo stations in stores for more people to try it out, and maybe a tad lower price, I don't think it's going to be huge.
So why *aren't* there more PSVR systems in the wild? Did they not build enough? Are they being held back to be released to coincide with some big E3 reveal?
Until there are demo stations in stores for more people to try it out, and maybe a tad lower price, I don't think it's going to be huge.
So why *aren't* there more PSVR systems in the wild? Did they not build enough? Are they being held back to be released to coincide with some big E3 reveal?
ArkkAngel007
Member
It's going to be a slow process, as the relative success of PS VR is a very recent thing. Unless games have been in development for years to take the risk on VR like RE7, anything recently getting into the pipe with the guaranteed audience present are a a couple of years out.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Nope. VR continues to grow at a steady pace and I can't wait to see what VR games gets announced by Sony and other devs at E3.
I was talking more about the general quality of the hardware and software for a new medium.
That said, the Odyssey only sold 350k units in 3 years.
Yes VR is a slow start, but ultimately, I think we'll get there. It just needs to have its own 2600 product.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
People also need to remember that the industry planned for a slow rollout. Yes it's heavily based on indie support, but that was always going to be the case.
Right now I'm just biding my time until Star Trek: Bridge Crew, and then I plan on living there on the bridge of the Enterprise.
After playing and loving Werewolves Within, I think it's social games like these that are where VR's true strength lies.
Oh, hyped for Ace Combat 7 too.
I think a lot of people were like me and didn't buy it because it's too intense.
I wish the first full AAA PSVR game hadn't been in the horror genre.
After playing and loving Werewolves Within, I think it's social games like these that are where VR's true strength lies.
Oh, hyped for Ace Combat 7 too.
I think a lot of people were like me and didn't buy it because it's too intense.
I wish the first full AAA PSVR game hadn't been in the horror genre.
Fair to say that the majority had much higher expectations than the actual people funding/making VR games lol. That's for damn sure.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Going by the number of VR threads here on GAF I'd say yes.
flyinpiranha
Member
Which has no bearing on it being "stalled".
A lot of stuff is releasing and new funding and announcements are happening all the time.
I guess to really comment, what's the definition of stalled? That it hasn't sold millions? That GTA isn't on it? From a person who follows just a few VR sites and a forum or two, it seems very active to me.
But if we are going by what's on GAF. Yes. It's dead. So is League of Legends and Microsoft. And the Switch. And anything that doesn't use Zelda's base mechanics of climbing. I'm kidding of course but using "mainstream" (or GAF) to gauge where a tech is at in its infancy isn't going to net any reasonable metrics.
The best solutions are just too expensive and require a beefy PC to get the most out of them. Like some of the early 3D consoles like 3DO, the mainstream casual accessible tech is still quite pricey and doesn't feel quite there. That's not to say the PSVR isn't impressive, because it is, but it's still too costly and limited.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
roomscale + 1:1 motion is how things are ment to be
I love my Rift + Touch setup, and I think VR has more than what is necessary technically to become a big thing. It's the most impressive thing I've experienced in gaming in decades (>20 years), if not ever.
However, the price and the lack of games (because of limited market share) are preventing VR from being bigger.
At this point I hope VR becomes a big thing as prices drop, but I still think that VR isn't inevitable at this point (market dynamics).
However, the price and the lack of games (because of limited market share) are preventing VR from being bigger.
At this point I hope VR becomes a big thing as prices drop, but I still think that VR isn't inevitable at this point (market dynamics).
GuitarAtomik
Member
As someone who has had it since last August, I can refute that. Granted the initial "holy shit this is new!" is gone, but that's natural for any new technology. I'm still using it regularly to play stuff that would have been impossible to play without it. And then I also play For Honor and Horizon. And then i play VR and then i go back to tv stuff. These things can coexist. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
I couldn't do this with an analog stick:
you could with a wii remote
VR is just in a holding pattern until the next generation of devices.
But sure, let's keep having this circular discussion
Most of us knew it was going to be a very slow start as the tech evolves and gets more affordable.
We are still on that path, only people who argued either for or against overnight sensation are feeling let down or vindicated.
But sure, let's keep having this circular discussion
Most of us knew it was going to be a very slow start as the tech evolves and gets more affordable.
We are still on that path, only people who argued either for or against overnight sensation are feeling let down or vindicated.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
You are rather ignorant. Microsoft is actually partnering with manufacturers to create Microsoft headsets at the later part of this year, and for consoles next year
Its going to backfire on you few years later. I dont suggest it
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