And also the fact that they attack him on sight with intent to kill. But let's ignore that for the sake of your argument.
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Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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Zomba13
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Yeah, with Manhunt it is still fucked up (like, the kill animations and how it glorified them) but there was context in the world.
Same with Hotline Miami, it had context for the killing (and was still fucked up though a fun and challenging game). No Russian in MW2 had context and also didn't actually need you to fire a single bullet.
In GTA the main goal isn't to kill random civilians, it's just something people do because they think it's fun. The main goal is to rise up in a criminal empire. That usually involves a lot of violence, mainly against cops and rival gang members and criminals but it has context and the part where you go on murder sprees in the streets killing unarmed civilians isn't the main part, just something you can do.
Here, the main part is the killing of civilians that can't defend themselves.
pinkurocket
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"These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment"
They lost me at that quote. I don't mind you making a game focussed on entertainment and nothing more, but you don't have to put down others to make your game sound 'unique' (it's not). Also the idea of the game is really stereotypical. Kill as many innocent people without reason? That is the kind of game your mom thinks you are playing already.
They lost me at that quote. I don't mind you making a game focussed on entertainment and nothing more, but you don't have to put down others to make your game sound 'unique' (it's not). Also the idea of the game is really stereotypical. Kill as many innocent people without reason? That is the kind of game your mom thinks you are playing already.
Again, a thin layer of narrative context is just that... It doesn't really justify games that are largely predicated on mass murder to me.
Also, I am not the one who is offended here. I am fine with this game's existence.
TheSpoiler
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The guy who keeps warping the narrative to suit his needs.
Urrm... the protagonist in Hatred is clearly insane.
There is narrative justification for his killing.
Dark_castle
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This game is going to be banned pretty much everywhere except a few.
Confidence Man
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This is pretty metal. If the dude was into the occult it would be icing on the cake.
I don't like being told what to think. I analyze games as they appear to me, not how the developer chooses to summarize them. Nathan Drake doesn't "save the day", he murders hundreds of people and destroys irreplaceable ruins and artifacts. Every god damn game ends with an ancient city collapsing into the void. He's a selfish opportunist and a misogynist to boot.
I haven't played Hatred, so I can't judge it yet like some others here, but I doubt it will be any worse than the other mass murder simulators I've played. Payday, Uncharted, GTA, Fallout, Call of "Duty", etc etc
spacemonkeynation
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They should just name this game "Story at 11." At least then it would serve as some sort of comment on society. As is it's just devoid of any thought, any mental effort on the part of the developers. It looks like a complete waste.
If you play FO3 with the sole purpose of RPing a mass murder who specifically targets unarmed civilians, that's good for you, I guess, but not really the point of the game.
Hotline Miami is also different because of its narrative context. You're right in that it's an incredibly brutal game. But you're not killing unarmed civilians, you're killing members of an organized crime syndicate. You do kill police in the game too, but IIRC, it's something you can either do when you're escaping or not. There's a level set in a police station but the narrative context attempts to justify this.
Hotline Miami is also not presented in such high fidelity. Its pixel art style (during gameplay, not the character portraits in story bits) means you can't see people's faces when you're doing something like smashing their heads against a wall. You also can't ever hear/read characters speaking during gameplay (nor do they do things like beg for their lives), so the fidelity of the simulation is much lower than something like Hatred. The game doesn't even have dialogue that's spoken aloud, it's all text.
IIRC, Manhunt also had a layer of narrative context that contextualized everything: you were captured and set free in a fake city with people who were paid to kill you. It was kill or be killed.
Again, a thin layer of narrative context is just that... It doesn't really justify games that are largely predicated on mass murder to me.
thehillissilent
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Yeah, I'm thinking this game will be PC only.
Leafhopper
Banned
It doesn't look special is all I was getting at. These games rarely interest me usually so that probably explains my off non relevant comment. You're right though solid doesn't mean novel or anything. My bad.
You are right, I don't have to consume it and I won't. Doesn't mean we can't talk about. Also if you read the thread barely anyone, heck no one is saying censor the game.
I'll advise the developer to tone down on the bloated, narcissistic self-narration and allows more subtlety. Make your character multifaceted, hatred isn't the only viable option for a serial murderer to assault civilians. And lastly, build up another unstoppable as rival/monster and clash it with the protagonist at the end.
As other people have speculated in this thread, I do wonder what will happen if you choose not to kill people.
Kids shouldn't be playing this and a mature person should be able to determine that this game is just that, a game.
Kids shouldn't be playing this and a mature person should be able to determine that this game is just that, a game.
Actually, yeah lol
Bingo.
Coulomb_Barrier
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That's the narrative in the f*cking game though.
The one that is warping the narrative is YOU. You can apply any narrative that you want to Uncharted, like the one in your head where 'I'm playing as Drake and I'm a mass murderer' and completely ignore the story.
You could play Super Mario and the narrative in your mind could be 'I'm wickedly slaughtering hundreds of different animals' but that doesn't mean that that is what the game is framed around and that is not what the devs are encouraging you to buy into as you play the game.
THIS game has been set by the devs as basically a mass-murderer simulator. Uncharted wasn't.
Magic Mushroom
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Haloid1177
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Feel like I shouldn't have watched that in my college campus' wifi. Regardless will not be playing.
CassidyIzABeast
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Looks like Postal, Uwe Boll's Rampage, and Hotline Miami ran through a black and white filter.
It looks pretty black metal imo. Also, are the creators from Sweden or Norway? (only a point because black metal is popular/originated there). The CEO in the employee bio section is wearing a black metal shirt as well (can't make out the band).
They want to make something vulgar for their first game. That's their choice. Its just not for me.
Prophet Steve
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Seriously, what a lot of people being hypocrites.
I don't agree with the Uncharted example, but don't pretend like the motivations in other games to kill people are very strong. And besides that, the context in which you kill people in other games is almost completely ignored by players anyway.
I don't like the info on the website, as it seems as they do want to create something like this to stand out, but personally I am very interested in games like this.
I don't agree with the Uncharted example, but don't pretend like the motivations in other games to kill people are very strong. And besides that, the context in which you kill people in other games is almost completely ignored by players anyway.
I don't like the info on the website, as it seems as they do want to create something like this to stand out, but personally I am very interested in games like this.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Definitely seems like a stupid game that doesn't need to exist. I mean I'm at the age where I look for and crave novel narrative experiences, and it doesn't really look like this is going for anything more than shock value. Unimpressed, will not be buying or caring about this game.
Kiru
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Poland, I think.
SniperHunter
Banned
Disturbing
Ugh, don't get me started on Indiana Jones.
"Oh look, there's hitler. I'll just get his autograph instead of killing him." Not to mention the slavery references with that completely unnecessary whip.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Begaria
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I was having this same thought while I was reading through the thread. There's a lot of fucked up violence in video games - what's one more to add to the pile? Hatred looks like a modern take on Postal.
I would think that as a game developer you would want no limitations placed on what you can create. I know there's a line in the sand somewhere - something like 6 Days in Fallujah being based on actual events was probably taking it too far - but Hatred is complete fiction in an industry that has already had several examples of over the top violence.
Nobody is disputing the fact that there is narrative context, we're disputing the idea that this narrative context that requires you to murder civilians is somehow akin to the player's choice to murder civilians in games like Fallout 3 and GTA.
nextgeneration
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The press is going to have a field day with this. Why can't the developers just use zombies or aliens as the enemies to avoid all the inevitable bad press? Graphically, it looks like a step up from previous engines, though, that's for sure.
What.
This statement makes no sense whatsoever, in so many different ways.
Take lots of very different directions that have nothing to with each other and that, even though they exist are FAR from the majority, call it a single "trend" (seriously what's the link between colorful, polite, higher art etc ?), and then act like "pure gaming pleasure" isn't something games strive for (in a world where something like Sunset Overdrive comes out in 2 weeks), and link that to making a very violent game.
Frankly I don't even care they're making a very violent game, people canmake whatever they want, if that doesn't please me I just won't play it, but this statement is incredibly idiotic.
They act like they're making a violent game just because they want to, but instead of saying "just because we want to" they come up with some going against metatrends something bullshit x)
Because they're not trying to avoid it.
It's their only way to get attention, and it's working.
Damerman
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if it had more substance it I would be interested. but the presentation is pretty conspicuous in it's thematic direction. This is not for me... pass. Also, I implore people who compare this to GTA V and Hotline miami to think harder about themes and direction... this is significantly different.
Leafhopper
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I think they want bad press. It's free advertising. They are trying to be like Rockstar.
spacemonkeynation
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People arguing for this game are making an awful lot of concessions. By your very own diatribe you would insist that Snuff films have as much integrity as The Godfather. It's a stupid stance to take and you're not really convincing anyone. Like I've already said, it's fine to stand up to censorship, but to take ridiculous stances in anticipation of such talk only serves to discredit your opinion on the art of games. Your stance becomes a profession of poor taste. If that's really the case, then fine. Enjoy your shitty games.
Damerman
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do you even themes?
it's pretty obvious what this director is trying to depict. GTA V civilians said humorous things, even when you went on a rampage, so did the police. they are begging for their lives in hatred with really graphic depictions of violence... you are ignoring a lot of themes and obvious presentation motifs if you think Manhunt and this are similar.
Pffft. Who watches The Godfather for its storytelling, artful composition, or wonderfully realized characters? I just watched it for the severed horse heads and killing!
I can't see any of the big names attaching themselves to something like this, is it being self published? I think this is the first game I've seen where I've gone 'nope, that's too far', and the mainstream media will tear it to shreds. I predict many uses of the term 'murder simulator'.
The real argument is that virtual killing is nothing to be ashamed of and doesn't need to be justified. It can be entertaining/exhilarating/fun in its own right.
It's not even a question of morals to begin with. It's a game.
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