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HD-DVD Launch Thread
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Stores are now in the intersting position of supporting four formats, all fighting for shelf space:
VHS
DVD
HD-DVD
Blu-Ray - Coming Soon(TM)
Does anyone think either format will reach the penetration that DVD has? I think as soon as one or the other starts to take off digital distribution will begin to get figured out.
VHS
DVD
HD-DVD
Blu-Ray - Coming Soon(TM)
Does anyone think either format will reach the penetration that DVD has? I think as soon as one or the other starts to take off digital distribution will begin to get figured out.
For me, it's still a little too early to jump in. Also, 500 bucks is pretty cheap for launch hardware. The first DVD players that came out in the US in Jan. 1997 were:
Toshiba SD-2006 ($600), Samsung DVD-705 ($750), RCA RC-5200P ($600). Pioneer DVL-700 ($1000), Sony DVP-S7000 ($1000), Panasonic DVD-A100 ($600), Faroudja DV-1000 ($5495 w/ DTS)
Toshiba SD-2006 ($600), Samsung DVD-705 ($750), RCA RC-5200P ($600). Pioneer DVL-700 ($1000), Sony DVP-S7000 ($1000), Panasonic DVD-A100 ($600), Faroudja DV-1000 ($5495 w/ DTS)
Kung Fu Jedi
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GhaleonEB said:
VHS isn't exactly competing for shelf space these days. At least not in my area. Best Buy has it scaled back to almost nothing. HD-DVD and BluRay will be even smaller for now.
I'm not in a hurry to buy either one of these formats. I'll wait until we get some kind of standard again, or as you metnion, digital distribution goes mainstream.
Lord Error
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OK, found it:hellfire said:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=660193
I didn't read the whole thing, but if people in that thread know what they are talking about, doing correct inverse telecine in realtime might not be always that simple and accurate. I know how that process works and have been using it in Aftereffects, but I don't know what problems could occur in realtime.
Other than the academic curiosity, do you think it really matters? If you are worried you are going to end up with a dead format few years from now, with no movie release either on BR or HDDVD, what other option do you have? Continue buying DVDs in hope they will survive longer? But why limit yourself to an inferior format for the sake of possible longevity that you get nothing out of?GhaleonEB said:
.hacked
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they just popped up online as available at my local Best Buy, I ordered one for instore pick up and am waiting for an email to come in and pick it up. Only other time I have done this was with Guitar Hero while I was on vacation and after that experience I am none too confident that they actually have the HD DVD player in stock.
I would love to watch Serenity in HD tonight
I would love to watch Serenity in HD tonight
VictimOfGrief
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pretty clear that HD will win out over Blu-Ray. freaking sony.
Lord Error
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That's some grade-A logic you have there.VictimOfGrief said:
I thin he was saying that you are not aware that your Samsung CRT for example, does not show 720p natively, nor does the 1080p (fixed resolution) LCD for that matter.DJ Sl4m said:
sooperkool
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How so?
VictimOfGrief
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VHS > Beta. Sorry to say.Marconelly said:
Lord Error
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VHS had a lot more going for it than HDDVD has at this point (higher capacity, cheaper, more studios and more hardware manufacturers supported it). HDDVD only has the 'cheaper' part of that equation on it's side, and that's until PS3 is released.VictimOfGrief said:
VictimOfGrief
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Actually HD has a lot going for it.Marconelly said:
Cheaper, available now and it has the distinct advantage of not coming from Sony.
Sony's foul up with Blu-Ray is probably the single most reason I won't get a PS3 because it's a format that while "neat" is just not for the masses.
VictimOfGrief
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it's a better alternative for the masses than Blu-Ray is.XMonkey said:
You gotta love the debate though, you're either a HD Fanboy or a Blu-Ray fanboy. There is no middle ground on this.
Kung Fu Jedi
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What has Sony done to mess up BluRay for the masses? Just curious, because this is something I haven't heard before, and most reports I read say that HD-DVD is the one fighting an uphill battle in the market place.
VictimOfGrief
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XMonkey said:
Supose that depends on supply of them, cost, availbility of Blu-Ray DVD's.
I have a feeling by November time HD-DVD players will be $300 bucks and smaller and people will be getting them for Christmas this next year.
VictimOfGrief
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Whose first to market?Kung Fu Jedi said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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VictimOfGrief said:
And that determines which format wins? Especially with such a short gap betweent he two products, whic have zero recognition at all from the mainstream public?
Dreamcast FTW I suppose!
VictimOfGrief
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errr no. However, first to market means they have been in production for at least 6-9 months, also, rev 2 to rev 3 are already planned, designs for different cases are being made... as far as I know the PS3 is the ONLY Blu-Ray player that will be out this year? Unless this isn't true and their will be a choice.Kung Fu Jedi said:And that determines which format wins? Especially with such a short gap betweent he two products, whic have zero recognition at all from the mainstream public?
Dreamcast FTW I suppose!
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I have a slight feeling you are just baiting here, but in a remote chance that you are not - that made very little sense. Not only you have more brands to choose with BR (Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer just of those announced so far) but just how BR being in PS3 makes the PS3 less desirable? If you have interest solely in HDDVD for it's support by Universal, I can at least understand that, but in that case, what does that have to do with PS3 in any way. You are obviously not going to use it to watch BR movies, and it's not like it won't play games and your existing DVD collection.VictimOfGrief said:
As for your other question, there will be several BR players available before PS3 comes out.
Well you started the debate by a very inflamatory comment, so are you now saying that you are generally fair in your assessment and that comment was just trolling?
Kung Fu Jedi
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VictimOfGrief said:
Ummm... Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung have all announced standalone players for release this year, with the Samsung model set to be released in June. They do cost more than HD-DVD, and if they do hit in June as expected, the two months difference isn't enough to sway consumers, who have no real knowlege of these products yet. Remember, most don't even have an HDTV to use 'em on.
TerryLee81
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Didn't Samsung (or Sharp?) announce a player for both formats?
I think it's possible that both formats survive, if there will be players that support both formats.
I think it's possible that both formats survive, if there will be players that support both formats.
VictimOfGrief
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Next question.... which sounds more cool?
HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?
I'm guessing Best Buy pushes HD-DVD because it "sounds cool".
Ninja Scooter
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VictimOfGrief said:
forever dumb indeed.
jamesinclair
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I was at Best Buy today and didnt see space for HD-DVD. They also seem to be lacking SACD....
Lord Error
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Proably won't reach the market penetration that DVD has, and will eventually be replaced by digital downloads in a 6-8 years, maybe even sooner. But everything gets replaced by something else eventually, and if you want to own the movies, and have a HDTV, I see no reason to not buy HDDVD or BR movies - I think most releases will be coming out on them as well as on DVD during their life span, however long it ends up being.GhaleonEB said:
If they do, they push it because they can sell it today...VictimOfGrief said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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VictimOfGrief said:
Ok, so when I asked you how Sony screwed up, your response was "First To Market!", then when I provided info on BluRay players coming this year, and in only two months, your next respons is "Which sounds more cool?" :lol Obviously you aren't serious and you're just trolling for kicks.
I'll grant you that HD-DVD will resonate as a name with consumers. BluRay is kind of a stupid name and doesn't really say what it is. But I'm not ready to write off one camp over the other, and as I mentioned earlier, most reports I have read, give the nod to BluRay. You have yet to provide any argument in the opposite direction, or explained how Sony screwed up.
Ninja Scooter
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Warnen said:Morphix(.hacked) and I just got ours, no movies till the AM though.
maybe he will take some picks later
can i have $100? just $100 you'll never miss it.
Kung Fu Jedi
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empanada said:
This statement holds more truth than you know! :lol
Fuck you Victimofyourowngoddamnstupidity. This was a pretty informative thread until you entered with your shit no brains comments, turning it into a fan boy anti-sony rant.
But I digress...
anyone knows what the differences between MP2 and MP4 encoding will be, as far as quality is concerned? Will the quality (and space on the BR) be good enough such that there should be no quality drop from one to the other?
If you use MP4 encoding, but at higher bitrates, won't that look better than equally sized MP2 encodings?
But I digress...
anyone knows what the differences between MP2 and MP4 encoding will be, as far as quality is concerned? Will the quality (and space on the BR) be good enough such that there should be no quality drop from one to the other?
If you use MP4 encoding, but at higher bitrates, won't that look better than equally sized MP2 encodings?
VictimOfGrief
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Fine. Getting back to your question, Sony screwed up by not being compatible with HD. If they want their "own" little pet project for DVD's, then fine, but at least make them compatible with the other one. now before you go on and on about "WTF, how would they do that?" Delay Blu-Ray? I mean if the PS3 came with a Blu-Ray drive + HD-DVD out of the box, how attractive will that be?Kung Fu Jedi said:
regardless, I think their forcing the conversation of formats due to their own stuborness is a shame.
Lord Error
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Not so sure these days...Kung Fu Jedi said:
There was actually this announcement that some major porn distributor will support BR (they actually cited PS3 as one of the key factors in their decision if I remember correctly), but again, I wouldn't bet on importance of that these days when internet porn has taken off as much as it is.
VictimOfGrief
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Zaptruder said:
Geez Zap, thanks for the personal attack. :lol
Kung Fu Jedi
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VictimOfGrief said:
Forcing a format war is always stupid, and Sony has a track record of doing this, I agree. But it seems that they chose the right option this time, as I said, a lot of reports and analyst feel it's the better format. It doesn't really make business sense for them to make the PS3 HD-DVD compatible, but I know what you're saying. I wouldn't argue that they screwed up BluRay however, and you seem to be the only one arguing that they have.
sportzhead
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Well I believe HD-DVD will do a lot better than most of you think. First, Joe Everyman will see the name, "HD-DVD" and will go cool hi def movies for my new HD TV. Then he will see the price (at the end of the year) wow $250 to $350 not bad. And if he has a 360 and an add on player is available for $150 all the better. Blu-Ray is too "new" sounding to the average person. They will see it in stores along side HD-DVD and see it cost more and has a weird name. Instead of purchasing it right then and there they will probably go home and research it first.
This could all be thrown overboard if Blu-Ray comes down in price by the holiday season, and Disney releases a lot of their kid friendly movies. The PS3 only comes into the equation if it is under $400 and is widely available. Which means don't count on the PS3 to help early Blu-Ray sales.
This could all be thrown overboard if Blu-Ray comes down in price by the holiday season, and Disney releases a lot of their kid friendly movies. The PS3 only comes into the equation if it is under $400 and is widely available. Which means don't count on the PS3 to help early Blu-Ray sales.
Ninja Scooter
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sportzhead said:
the PS3 is going to be more widely available and well known this fall than even HDDVD. I mean, where is the hype for HDDVD? Its launching this week and i haven't heard anything outside of hardcore hometheatre-philes.
VictimOfGrief
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Well, maybe my arguement isn't that they screwed it up, but maybe they didn't introduce it fast enough?
Going back and forth on the whole fence of HD vs Ray technology, BR seems nice and neat on paper, but when does that break down into sales and raw $$$. HD seems like the "natural" progression of DVD's. Maybe that's what I'm having a hard time with, Sony is either introducing it too late or not soon enough.
But still, my first thoughts are on getting a HD player but who knows, that might change by Christmas time.
Going back and forth on the whole fence of HD vs Ray technology, BR seems nice and neat on paper, but when does that break down into sales and raw $$$. HD seems like the "natural" progression of DVD's. Maybe that's what I'm having a hard time with, Sony is either introducing it too late or not soon enough.
But still, my first thoughts are on getting a HD player but who knows, that might change by Christmas time.
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