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[Arioco]

So Vincent has analysed the game on his reference monitor with real time waveform analysis and he found out that the dynamic range becomes more compressed when you move the camera, which is restored once the scene becomes static again, causing brightness fluctuations that create an almost flickery effect, which is very distracting. And basically this is what so many people have been complaining about. Comparing to other tittles (specifically Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart) whe an see the dynamic range is the same when we move the camera.



Vincent states that the hot-fix launched by Guerrilla doesn't seem to have worked for him (same as many people have said) , so I hope they are already working in a patch that can solve the issue once and for all.

Guerrilla, you have some work to do here!

 

[Von Hugh]

Weird that they have to apologize for finding bugs in a game.

 

[SlimySnake]

There might be a workaround. Disable motion blur and turn down the camera sensitivity to minimum. It worked for me and made 30 fps playable.

 

[Snake29]

There might be a workaround. Disable motion blur and turn down the camera sensitivity to minimum. It worked for me and made 30 fps playable.

Highly recommend giving this a try over 60 fps which is frankly the worst way to experience this game. The 30 fps option without motion blur and camera sensitivity to Mount minimum feels surprisingly close to 60 fps.

This, 30fps feels really great with camera movement at 30%, en both sensitivity axis at 100%, and i have motionblur at low. Also filmmaker mode (Warm 1) is more responsive then game mode hdr.

 

[TonyK]

I like the end of the video, when he says HDR is broken and he will share the correct configuration if this video reaches 100.000 views

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I had something pop in late once or twice.

Sticks out cause nothing else pops in far away in the landscape.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Imagine still playing with 30 fps.

edit: ofc talking about ps5 users. ps4 users obv have no choice.

 

[BlackM1st]

This, 30fps feels really great with camera movement at 30%, en both sensitivity axis at 100%, and i have motionblur at low. Also filmmaker mode (Warm 1) is more responsive then game mode hdr.

The Fuck?

 

[The Eradicator]

There might be a workaround. Disable motion blur and turn down the camera sensitivity to minimum. It worked for me and made 30 fps playable.

Highly recommend giving this a try over 60 fps which is frankly the worst way to experience this game. The 30 fps option without motion blur and camera sensitivity to Mount minimum feels surprisingly close to 60 fps.

30 FPS is not even remotely close to 60, and it is quite noticeable when you switch them. I'm putting the game away entirely until they patch it.

 

[SlimySnake]

30 FPS is not even remotely close to 60, and it is quite noticeable when you switch them. I'm putting the game away entirely until they patch it.

Try it. You might be surprised.

 

[Tschumi]

I was playing Warhammer 3 earlier today, and i noticed two polar bears on the world map had a weird effect going on, fuzzy and kind of pulsating...

And i thought:
"You know what? Someone on gaf would probably shout "eureka!" and rush to feel smart pointing this out"

Then i thought:
"Better keep moving the tzarina towards the next city, what's for lunch..."

I feel so pure.

 

[Doctor Hades]

30 fps is fine in Forbidden West due to excellent input latency that makes the game still feel responsive but 60 fps is obviously better in terms of actual motion smoothness, especially on OLED TVs.

Personally, I played the game for 9 hours on the default 30 fps Resolution mode and had no issues with it despite my preference for 60 fps these days on my 55" LG B9 OLED TV. However, I did switch to the 60 fps Performance mode and have stuck with it despite the more noticeable pop in and sometimes distracting foliage shimmering due to the low resolution 3200x1800 checkerboard (effectively 1600x1800) resolution used. It just feels smoother to play but if the game had only shipped with a 30 fps mode then I honestly would have been fine with it.

My main reason for switching to 60 fps though wasn't for the higher framerate, it was actually to see if it reduced or fixed the annoyingly distracting camera cut stutter/pauses during cutscenes. And, no, sadly it doesn't, if anything it is worse than the 30 fps mode...

This game needs a 120 Hz 40 fps 4K checkerboard mode with a less aggressive sharpening filter to bridge the gap between the image quality of the 30 fps and 60 fps modes. Despite it working so well in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart it seems none of Sony's other first-parties are using this which is a real shame and a genuine missed opportunity.

 

[ParaSeoul]

I like the end of the video, when he says HDR is broken

Many such cases

 

[onesvenus]

Love how some posters here said it was due to the TV and not something wrong with the game. As if Sony games couldn't have bugs

 

[ParaSeoul]

Love how some posters here said it was due to the TV and not something wrong with the game. As if Sony games couldn't have bugs

That just says a lot about how rare they are

 

[alienator]

hi there my name is Vincent aswell..
And i play this game in 1080p non hdr 60fps and its glorious.
4k was a mistake!
if this post reaches atleast 4 likes i will share how to setup a post on gaf to complain about Horizon.

 

[BlackM1st]

hi there my name is Vincent aswell..
And i play this game in 1080p non hdr 60fps and its glorious.
4k was a mistake!
if this post reaches atleast 4 likes i will share how to setup a post on gaf to complain about Horizon.

(You should've asked for 4K likes tho)

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Love how some posters here said it was due to the TV and not something wrong with the game. As if Sony games couldn't have bugs

To be honest its all very weird. I haven't nocticed all these issues on my Ps5 and TV which is confusing. Maybe I am simply not able to see those issues, (lucky me I guess) or these bugs are not encountered by all PS5s and TV combinations.

BTW i have set up my Ps5 und TV (Sony KD-55XH9005) according to vincents Videos.
The only thing I disabled in the game is motion blur because I hate it generally.
I'm playing the game in resolution mode so far.

 

[GHG]

Lmao the tantric sex comment.

That said, it's clearly something guerrilla need to fix. What's strange though is the fact that not everyone seems to be getting/noticing this issue. I'll be interested to see what his HDR settings are for the game, it could be something that allows the issue to manifest.

I have my in game brightness slider set to -1 so will play around with it later and see if it's something that becomes noticeable at different brightness/highlights levels. I wish he would just release his settings immediately though.

It's also worth noting that I've been using my Philips OLED 805 for the game in a pitch black room with the ambilight on, so it could well be the ambilight offsetting the brightness fluctuations making them less noticeable to the eye. Will try turning that off later as well.

 

[Nezzeroth]

I agree. I decided to wait for patches, some effects look really bad on performance mode.

 

[Represent.]

It was fixed after the GG tweet for me. Dont notice it anymore.

Either way, its quite easily the best looking game ever made. So I dont really care - im mesmerized by how this game looks in Resolution mode.

 

[Tarnpanzer]

We need more games with a 40fps-option.

 

[TonyK]

This game needs a 120 Hz 40 fps 4K checkerboard mode with a less aggressive sharpening filter to bridge the gap between the image quality of the 30 fps and 60 fps modes. Despite it working so well in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart it seems none of Sony's other first-parties are using this which is a real shame and a genuine missed opportunity.

Exactly.

 

[Leyasu]

Weird that they have to apologize for finding bugs in a game.

Imagine if they didn’t?

 

[Represent.]

Imagine still playing with 30 fps.

edit: ofc talking about ps5 users. ps4 users obv have no choice.

ill just leave this here. Click play. Its time stamped.

 

[cormack12]

Lmao the tantric sex comment.

I know where the fuck did that come from, lmao.

Hopefully there will be a patch in the next week. I find the resolution mode unplayable on my X90H. It feels like I'm trying to drag a picture across my screen and it's resisting, I'll take whatever compromises for the 60fps at this moment until that is a proper smooth 30

 

[kikii]

Horizon Forbidden West is so detailed that Aloy sweats in hotter areas

Move over, Red Dead 2's horse testicles

www.gamesradar.com

 

[existensmaximum]

Imagine still playing with 30 fps.

edit: ofc talking about ps5 users. ps4 users obv have no choice.

I'm playing it at resolution mode for the PS5, with full motion blur. Feels and looks great in 30 fps, loving it

Imagine not understanding or accepting different opinions and views than your own.

 

[The Cockatrice]

with full motion blur. Feels and looks great in 30 fps, loving it

 

[Tomeru]

Didn't they fix the hdr bug with a hotfix?

Also, an eyesore?

 

[PropellerEar]

Horizon Forbidden West is so detailed that Aloy sweats in hotter areas

Move over, Red Dead 2's horse testicles

www.gamesradar.com

Sweaty Aloy...

 

[Chukhopops]

There might be a workaround. Disable motion blur and turn down the camera sensitivity to minimum. It worked for me and made 30 fps playable.

Highly recommend giving this a try over 60 fps which is frankly the worst way to experience this game. The 30 fps option without motion blur and camera sensitivity to Mount minimum feels surprisingly close to 60 fps.

This, 30fps feels really great with camera movement at 30%, en both sensitivity axis at 100%, and i have motionblur at low. Also filmmaker mode (Warm 1) is more responsive then game mode hdr.

I can’t imagine the absolute nightmare of playing at 30 fps without game mode and with sensitivity turned down.

What’s the input lag on filmmaker mode cause I doubt it’s less than the 13ms you get in game mode?

60 fps is completely fine in HFW by the way.

 

[cormack12]

Has anyone tried disabling HDR on the console or anything?

 

[ArtHands]

The Fuck?

Its a console warrior thing. They are defending 30fps

 

[GymWolf]

Horizon Forbidden West is so detailed that Aloy sweats in hotter areas

Move over, Red Dead 2's horse testicles

www.gamesradar.com

Yep, noticed that yesterday, she said that she was sweating her ass off and she had a light wet aura on her.

 

[PropellerEar]

Yep, noticed that yesterday, she said that she was sweating her ass off and she had a light wet aura on her.

Aloys sweaty ass...

 

[Spaceman292]

60 fps which is frankly the worst way to experience this game.

Pfffft tt hahahahahahahahahaaa

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I appreciate the attention and constructive criticism but if you didn't point this out to me I wouldn't probably have made a YouTube video about it but that is the internet these days. Now is it something that they could come in and polish up if they want to, of course. Otherwise no sense in making a mountain out of a molehill. Enjoy the game.

 

[Riky]

1800 CBR is just embarrassingly low resolution for 60fps on a cross gen game, I'm sure they could do better than that. Either take it to 2160 CBR or straight 1440p, it can't be any worse.

 

[PropellerEar]

1800 CBR is just embarrassingly low resolution for 60fps on a cross gen game, I'm sure they could do better than that. Either take it to 2160 CBR or straight 1440p, it can't be any worse.

You're embarrassing.

 

[kikii]

Yep, noticed that yesterday, she said that she was sweating her ass off and she had a light wet aura on her.

that title is lil perv tho

 

[John Wick]

Its a console warrior thing. They are defending 30fps

Is that so? Maybe some people prefer the resolution mode for better graphics over better framerate?

 

[Outlier]

I don't notice any issues with the HDR, but differences in image quality and performance between the modes are jarring.

60 FPS is buttery smooth most of the time and still looks fantastic, but the resolution absolutely tanks when there are too many character models on screen (mostly in cutscenes).

30 FPS is the real eyesore, for me. It feels lower than 30 and even though it is sharper and has better effects, but the eye shredding from anything moving faster than 2 mph is repulsive. That, or my eyes have just become too adjusted to 60 FPS gaming.

GG should definitely iron these issues out.

 

[Spukc]

Is that so? Maybe some people prefer the resolution mode for better graphics over better framerate?

i do

 

[PaintTinJr]

For anyone that has encoded video and tried using the method that maximises signal to noise ratio you typically get the same shimmering issue IIRC, so thinking about the adaptive rate feature of Kraken texture compression I suspect the problem is that the texture compression is too aggressive for the textures when mapped to geometry in motion - while still offering excellent signal to noise when the camera is static but cause this issue for some pixels as the geometry sweeps through in camera motion and the shader texture sampling the compressed texture filters the sample pixel to two widely different values in a small number of frames, causing these big discontinuities. An easy check would be for them to use raw uncompressed textures on a devkit in a troublesome scene and see if the problem goes away.

 

[Skifi28]

1800 CBR is just embarrassingly low resolution for 60fps on a cross gen game, I'm sure they could do better than that. Either take it to 2160 CBR or straight 1440p, it can't be any worse.

You should also complain about VRR while you're here.

 

[ArtHands]

Is that so? Maybe some people prefer the resolution mode for better graphics over better framerate?

Yes, that is so. On console that would be the case.
Can't remember when was the last time I play a AAA game at 30 fps.

 

[anthony2690]

This, 30fps feels really great with camera movement at 30%, en both sensitivity axis at 100%, and i have motionblur at low. Also filmmaker mode (Warm 1) is more responsive then game mode hdr.

Okay then... Some of you guys are genuinely crazy.

Every offence. (I'm not going to say no offence, as I mean it)

 

[The Cockatrice]

better graphics

Imagine thinking the graphical difference is huge between the two modes.

 

[rofif]

There might be a workaround. Disable motion blur and turn down the camera sensitivity to minimum. It worked for me and made 30 fps playable.

Highly recommend giving this a try over 60 fps which is frankly the worst way to experience this game. The 30 fps option without motion blur and camera sensitivity to Mount minimum feels surprisingly close to 60 fps.

I am playing on 30fps with default motion blur and dont have that bug. Brightness in hdr is kept the same when I am spinning around.
It does seem like a bug for those who have it or some TVs are worse at handling this "feature"