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Mobius and pet octopus
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Personally I am okay with how the rewards are done. I wouldn't mind if they adjusted a few things perhaps a little bit more gold per 3 wins (like 15 instead of 10), and a minimum of 50 gold per quest, some more achievements with gold rewards, and a little bit better conversation rate for crafting.
Even 20 dust instead of 40 dust for commons could be very nice. It is kinda weird that you can DE a rare and not get a common out of it. But if you DE a legendary you can get an epic, if you DE an epic you can get a rare... but you can't DE a rare to get a common.
Even 20 dust instead of 40 dust for commons could be very nice. It is kinda weird that you can DE a rare and not get a common out of it. But if you DE a legendary you can get an epic, if you DE an epic you can get a rare... but you can't DE a rare to get a common.
Minsc
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I don't think there's an issue either. Looking at the bigger picture, there will be a lot more to the game soon enough. Adventures and rewards for playing constructed / tournaments will give us a lot more to do other than play 5 matches for Arena gold, and actually take a lot of the current focus away from the arena and put it in to ranking high enough in tournaments for prizes and winning really hard PVE battles.
I don't think the game would last a long time if it were just Arena, Arena, Arena, Arena. Needs more variety and we'll see it soon enough hopefully. Arena's a lot of fun, but if that's the only draw to the game, it's not enough I think.
I don't think the game would last a long time if it were just Arena, Arena, Arena, Arena. Needs more variety and we'll see it soon enough hopefully. Arena's a lot of fun, but if that's the only draw to the game, it's not enough I think.
If you complain but then keep participating, that is a hollow complaint.
I promise you 1000% that users complaining are a much much smaller catalyst for game changes than actual user analytics. No class would be rebalanced thanks to complaints on Reddit if Blizzard's data didn't show one class had a consistent edge.
Likewise, why in the world make changes to Arena, the game's big gold sink, if the total number of Arena entries remains steady? If people complain online but there's no drop in numbers, no change will be made.
Hundreds of posts here and on other forums about how blizzard should give away more gold so people can enter Arena more often. How it's frustrated to spend $1.99 on Arena and get boned by a terrible deck and go 0-3.
Heck, even people like me complaining about the lack of card trading. I complain about it, but Blizzard doesn't owe me the feature - they owe me nothing.
Bottom line is the game is free. You can DL it and get a few free packs a week forever, and play against your friends using their servers, without spending a cent.
Mage decks don't seem to have a problem casting ALL ZE SPELLS on me.
Good games inky. Sorry I silenced off your kill spell twice. I never expected to silence my own minion lol.
Not to mention new sets, banned cards, revised cards, etc.
Keeps the game fluid.
LOL. Ya, I probably could've just killed him with raw dmg. It would've cost me a lot of cards, but it definitely wouldn't have cost me 3 turns of taking 8 damage
Good games.
Based on the numbers Blizzard posted for win rate it's clear to me that they are more concerned with what is frustrating to players than what is actually balanced. The thing universally proven in what they released is that Priests are weak, but Mind Control is still getting nerfed.
It's too early to determine if Blizzard free to play model works. Even if it does, there is nothing that proves the game wouldn't be more successful with tweaks. It's not about playing the arena often, it's that gold gains are tied to arbitrary quests instead of consistent play. The game doesn't offer enough rewards for people willing to put in additional time.
I think we have fundamentally different philosophies on free to play games. Yes the game isn't charging me anything to play, but I also have no obligation to play Hearthstone. Instead I invest time into the game, and if the game isn't willing to reward that players won't play.
Will Hearthstone be successful? Probably. But it would be incredibly more successful with a better free to play model. Unlike the most successful free to play games Hearthstone is also obtuse, unrewarding, and prohibitive to group play. The chat system is a mess, there are no spectate options, players can't form parties and work together, or even show off the cards they've earned to their friends outside of one on one battles that exist outside the free to play rewards of the game.
It's probably in the works.
Buy skins to unlock cards. Buy cards to unlock skins. Rune pages for your cards. Errythang.
its too late by now - hearthstone has taken over the world it seems
TCGs are such a good idea for any franchise. they are an incredibly high profit margin product (i believe so anyway), lets you reuse art assets from previous projects and enhances user interaction with a brand.
i see TCGs as a supplementary product tho
unlike MMOs and MOBAs
blizzard is getting pretty good with the whole unified blizzard experience with b.net2.0. its quite clever - a lot like the apple business model. u buy diablo? now you wanna play heroes of the storm and now you wanna play hearthstone and now you wanna play wow and now you wanna play warcraft 4 (rip)
valve have been doing it slightly with the hats n other crosspromo items in TF2, but blizzard you can tell are going all out.
unlike MMOs and MOBAs
blizzard is getting pretty good with the whole unified blizzard experience with b.net2.0. its quite clever - a lot like the apple business model. u buy diablo? now you wanna play heroes of the storm and now you wanna play hearthstone and now you wanna play wow and now you wanna play warcraft 4 (rip)
valve have been doing it slightly with the hats n other crosspromo items in TF2, but blizzard you can tell are going all out.
CarbonatedFalcon
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I just had a mage freeze me out something like 4 turns in a row with an Arena deck -_- Still won that one, but it definitely slowed me down.
Oh and another game vs. a mage that I lost he had the most ridiculous hand/deck. Multiple spell power cards and had at least 1-2 of the minions that make spells cheaper, and he was just throwing them left and right. 3+ frostbolts, 2+ cones of cold, and a pyroblast to finish me off.
Other game vs. a Shaman I was up to an early lead, up like 30 to 10 health, but he pulls a Doomhammer vs. my deck with no oozes and proceeds to wreck my face. Not to mention my Paladin deck has no Consecrates (none available), so once he survived my initial onslaught and was able to take care of everything with the Doomhammer, I had no response to his totem/minion spam. He also had an earth elemental at the end which I had no solution for. Not to mention a super clutch healing totem. But already that's kind of crazy with two (stong) epics vs. a deck that has none.
Oh and another game vs. a mage that I lost he had the most ridiculous hand/deck. Multiple spell power cards and had at least 1-2 of the minions that make spells cheaper, and he was just throwing them left and right. 3+ frostbolts, 2+ cones of cold, and a pyroblast to finish me off.
Other game vs. a Shaman I was up to an early lead, up like 30 to 10 health, but he pulls a Doomhammer vs. my deck with no oozes and proceeds to wreck my face. Not to mention my Paladin deck has no Consecrates (none available), so once he survived my initial onslaught and was able to take care of everything with the Doomhammer, I had no response to his totem/minion spam. He also had an earth elemental at the end which I had no solution for. Not to mention a super clutch healing totem. But already that's kind of crazy with two (stong) epics vs. a deck that has none.
but what about doto TCG
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'd personally go with digital collectible game.
CarbonatedFalcon
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I agree, it's not good. But it's an area that causes frustration rather than guarantees wins. If Blizzard was serious about balance they would compensate for Mind Control's nerf in other areas since the class is already at a disadvantage.
There are definitely ways to make up for it elsewhere. Arena was also likely an issue for MC though. You have to balance everything.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Probably because it was not ready. I think it is smart for blizzard to approach launch cautiously and yes open beta for a f2p is pretty much regarded as release.
And even a few weeks ago when I got into the closed beta I had to wait like almost 2 days before I could play because of bugs with battlenet. To say it has been 100% ready would be false.
old habits
ya sure, call it a DCG or a CCG
what do you mean
thats just a TC, not a G
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Impeccable
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What? Stream numbers are higher now than before Blizzcon. TrumpSC had 13k viewer instead of his normal 7 - 8k earlier.
Edit: Well not right now but there aren't any good player streaming.
that won't last long. and even that is nothing compared to the initial hype.
Anyway, question still stands: Why not release an open beta. There are no wipes planned anymore, so there is no reason not to. I don't get why they did a wipe but didn't release open beta. What sense did that wipe had?
CarbonatedFalcon
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Game is still very buggy and unstable at times, issues with servers, etc. One of the least polished Blizzard betas in recent time by those standards. It's not ready to be descended upon by the masses until they work a few more kinks out.
Initial impressions matter a lot for a game. The servers right now sometimes have issues with the limited population as is, releasing the floodgates is just asking for a lot of griping and whining all around. Balance and "fun" is yet another problem, as the Priest dilemma has shown. It's more important right now for Blizzard to make sure Hearthstone is an enjoyable and streamlined experience before launching open beta.
Liferebooted
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What is the quickest way to getting new cards without using real money?
Professor Lich
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Only by grinding wins. Three is ten gold.
I've been akin to not playing for three days, find out what my quests are, then just picking those up.
Getting good at Arena.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Also doing the achievements.... 100 wins (any mode) gets you 300 gold. Unlocking every class and beating all the expert AI gives like 200 gold total.
its because shes cute isnt it
CarbonatedFalcon
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Finished my Pally arena run 7-3. Best I've done so far. Last game was vs. a Rogue and my draw was just too slow to put on the aggression needed. Rogue deck was pretty good though too.
Started another run with a Warrior, but my deck isn't super great 0-1 now. 3 epics in it, but only one weapon (a fiery war axe) and no weaponsmiths which kind of means I'm boned, but what can you do. First game vs. a Mage was relatively tight, but he got a huge card advantage from draw cards, besides going second, and he top-decked a Hogger at a convenient time.
And speaking of Mages - I feel like Frost Nova should be bumped up in mana cost to 3. It's an extremely powerful CC at 2, especially if the board is stacked, and trades up in value almost every time. Maybe not as much of an issue in constructed, but Arena it's very good at buying time, especially if you can grab 2+
Started another run with a Warrior, but my deck isn't super great 0-1 now. 3 epics in it, but only one weapon (a fiery war axe) and no weaponsmiths which kind of means I'm boned, but what can you do. First game vs. a Mage was relatively tight, but he got a huge card advantage from draw cards, besides going second, and he top-decked a Hogger at a convenient time.
And speaking of Mages - I feel like Frost Nova should be bumped up in mana cost to 3. It's an extremely powerful CC at 2, especially if the board is stacked, and trades up in value almost every time. Maybe not as much of an issue in constructed, but Arena it's very good at buying time, especially if you can grab 2+
Liferebooted
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Someone getting a lucky draft in arena (which uses none of your personal cards) makes them a no life nerd? Ok.
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Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
People who wait til the timer has like an inch left to kill. iss
Couldn't concede because I was still in it with Ysera in my hand if he didn't have a spell.
issCouldn't concede because I was still in it with Ysera in my hand if he didn't have a spell.
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Anyway, sounds like the problem is on your end. Being a "no life nerd" gives them no more advantage in arena other than being better drafters than you
Sounds like he's the one that needs life re-booted.
Haunted
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You mean constructed ("Play"). Arena has you drafting from the whole card pool.
The Lamonster
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The other day, I played a bomber only to have it de-shield and kill my own Scarlet Crusader. Subsequent games resulted in being bombed two and three times in the face. Had to put him on indefinite suspension after the last one.
EscapingJail
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Just went 9-1 on arena and opened this pack up =D
I said grats to you in game when I saw but you prob tabbed too fast haha.
I said grats to you in game when I saw but you prob tabbed too fast haha.
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