michaelius
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Was there a patch release today ?
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Was there a patch release today ?
Bananajama
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Cheers I'll give it a good tweak.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Haunted
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First part is correct, second part isn't. When you play an Innervate on turn 10, you have 12/10 mana. Similar to how you have 2/1 mana if you play the Coin on turn 1.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I guess I should have read the full quote.
MonorailCat
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Argent Protector so lolworthy OP in Arena ..
Turn 1 Coin 2 Drop, Turn 2 Argent Protector -- 2 Minions on board vs. none .. game nearly over
Turn 1 Coin 2 Drop, Turn 2 Argent Protector -- 2 Minions on board vs. none .. game nearly over
Minsc
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So their turn 1 is the 2 drop with coin, your turn 2 is a spell to eliminate it. They'll never play a protect on an empty field. Now they have no turn 2 if they only had the protector in hand.
Also since you went first, if you had a really powerful 1 drop, they might not have even used their coin in to a 2 drop, unless it was also really good. Either way your turn 2 comes before theirs, so you can use a spell to remove their creature, or possibly even a buff on your turn 1 play and attack it in to their 2 drop while keeping it alive.
I always feel like any time you end a turn without doing anything, it's pretty bad, first turn included.
MonorailCat
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I agree to that in constructed. But in Arena you oftentimes just have no answer to that.
Kinky John
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Squirrel Killer
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Whoa, I never have good timing like that, thanks.
Lactose_Intolerant
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You often lose when you have no answer to what your opponent plays. Luckily there are tons of early game kill in this game.
Just had an insane game already.
I have 1 health against a mage, mage has 10 and a 3/5 taunt. I draw the 5/4 panda for my only card.
Take out the taunt with my 5/5. Attack the mage to 7 with my Defender of Argus. Panda back the Argus, then play it again to buff my last creatures from 2 and 3 attack to 3 and 4 attack for the win.
I have 1 health against a mage, mage has 10 and a 3/5 taunt. I draw the 5/4 panda for my only card.
Take out the taunt with my 5/5. Attack the mage to 7 with my Defender of Argus. Panda back the Argus, then play it again to buff my last creatures from 2 and 3 attack to 3 and 4 attack for the win.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Okay so I did this twice today but upon reflection I'm not sure whether it's good. Is coining out a Novice Engineer on turn 1 a good play?
I don't think so. Novice Engineer is a "filler" card that smooths out your deck. It doesn't put a lot of pressure on your opponent. Unless you're trying to find a "real" 2 drop in a deck full of them, save it for a higher-impact later turn imo.
Avinexus
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No. You waste your coin and it can't kill any card they play unless you buff it.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Makes sense. This was Arena so the best plays might be slightly different when you probably won't have the most balanced deck.
RumblingRosco
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I'd say no as well. You're trading two cards (Novice Engineer and The Coin) for a 1 card draw, possibly giving up your turn 2 play, and only dropping a 1/2 which can be taken out by a 1-mana 2/1 or better yet just completely ignored because a 1/2 isn't much of an offensive threat.
I was just gifted a key for this. Spent the last couple of days playing. What I like is that it's short and sweet. But maybe it's just me, however after winning a lot of games in a row I seem to be against decks that are just undefeatable. The opponents decks are filled with cards I haven't seen and don't have access too. The crafting looks like it's an extraordinary long grind and you don't really earn much gold to buy decks from the few quests they give (like 40 gold per quest?).
Is this just pay-to-win at its finest or am I missing something?
That said, I've started leaning towards the arena. It's not balanced by any means but at least I feel I'm not as gimped by lack of decent cards. Course, I can only afford two sojourns into it at the moment before I'm broke again.
Is this just pay-to-win at its finest or am I missing something?
That said, I've started leaning towards the arena. It's not balanced by any means but at least I feel I'm not as gimped by lack of decent cards. Course, I can only afford two sojourns into it at the moment before I'm broke again.
Only if your opponent played something on turn 1 that the Novice Engineer is capable of killing. It also depends on the rest of your hand, of course. (If you only have one 2-drop in your hand, using the coin to play it on turn 1 is generally a bad play.)
In the beginning, there are a few gold rewards for milestones, such as 100g for leveling all classes to 10 to unlock all basic cards, 100g for beating all the AI classes on Expert level, and 300g for your first 100 wins (combined through any format).
You get 10g per 3 wins in normal (non-AI) play, and the daily rewards round off the rest.
Arena isn't really break-even or profitable until you can win 7+ fairly consistently, but you can save your gold for Arena and learn the game by playing Constructed.
As for crafting cards, there are several decks that don't really need legendaries or epics, and the staple rares don't need that much dust to make: 2x Argent Commander, 2x Azure Drake, 2x Defender of Argus, 2x Knife Juggler, and then the rares needed for the class you are playing -- I suggest Rogue, Warlock, or Mage if you're starting with a budget/totally free. Paladins and Druids use more high-rarity cards.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Rogues are extremely more effective if they get the coin as well. Like, their win-rate probably goes up a double-digit percentage. Blizzard has to have stats on that, I'd be curious to see how different classes fare going first or second.
Minsc
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Nothing quite like topdecking a flamestrike on your 7th turn in the arena to take the whole opposing board including a pair of taunted/buffed creatures from a freshly played Defender of Argus (as well as the defender), a stealth creature, and then proceeding to deal lethal damage. Rage worthy I'm sure, but it's nice to be on the good side of the rng once and a while. 
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If anyone has an extra key, my buddy has been looking for one since I got mine. I would like to give him one, but I have only gotten one. Thanks.
Ah, thanks. I'll have to look into those milestones. I think I've almost unlocked all the classes - was trying to do them through matchmaking but guess facing the AI isn't a terrible idea.
I was noticing my mage deck was doing a lot better than the threadbare priest and shaman. I think I got a total of ten dust from the arena so assumed that was the average amount you get from... whatever. Which seemed like quite a bit of dust would be needed for even the lowliest of rares.
Should take a look at the Rogue. Sounds promising.
Bananajama
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For the first time tonight I've been demolished by mind control. You two hat!
I suppose they don't care as long the average is good (it was 52-48% IIRC at Blizzcon).
RumblingRosco
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Drafting a couple Mind Controls in Arena makes me so happy. It's like, I spend 1 card / 8 mana to destroy one of my opponent's cards (making it a 1-for-1 trade in that regard) and then also summon a generally massive creature.
Aw man it's so delicious.
This is why it's going to 10 mana, lol.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Nothing quite like topdecking a flamestrike on your 7th turn in the arena to take the whole opposing board including a pair of taunted/buffed creatures from a freshly played Defender of Argus (as well as the defender), a stealth creature, and then proceeding to deal lethal damage. Rage worthy I'm sure, but it's nice to be on the good side of the rng once and a while.
I just had two Mages in a row with the most based Arcane Missiles. Ugh.
That card that steals a minion (with 3 or less attack I think) for a turn and gives it haste is probably even more ridiculous than MC honestly. Can be something like a 3 for 1. Ultra value.
I think if you have another two drop/decent hero power (ideally rogue or warlock) and a consistent stream of plays afterwards, it's fine. Bonus points if your opponent played a x/1 or if you have argent protectors/shattered sun clerics/dark iron dwarves/etc. in hand.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Just don't get a ton of of high costing stuff, add a few card draw cards, throw in a little removal/weapons, and creatures that buff other creatures. Win game.
Do you mean "control" (lots of 1 and 2 cost minions) or "rush" (succubus, pitloard, felguard etc)?
Loving this game so far. Fills that perfect couple minute competitive itch so freaking well.
This isn't my strongest deck, but definitely the most fun to play for me so far:
wait what
How many packs did you buy to get those legendaries
The issue is that the RNG sometimes doesn't give you the options to build a deck with all of those categories. Got stuck with a priest where the only spells I got were Mind Visions and the like. No Shadow word kill/pain, no power world shield, no spell to double health, no silence, no board clearer and so on. Was also matched with people that keep playing minions with Divine Shield so I got steam rolled.
I just got a survey about the game, and since there doesn't seem to be any NDA mentioned in the e-mail or the survey itself, I feel I should mention they were asking if people were interested in a raid mode where two players would play in co-op against a strong boss.
The rest wasn't overly notable and mostly stuff you would expect (Do you want to buy cosmetics, would you like replays, would you prefer to buy individual cards, etc).
The rest wasn't overly notable and mostly stuff you would expect (Do you want to buy cosmetics, would you like replays, would you prefer to buy individual cards, etc).
Well if they're defined that way, it'd be control I guess, but I run all offense.
It's all 1s and 2s besides hellfire/siphon soul. Sure I want board control, but I'm not strategically controlling anything but minion spam and card draw.
WoW TCG had this, and MTG recently started introducing it in the past few years. Not surprising that they'd look into it.
I'm amazed they'd even have to ask if people want a replay feature, it's like a no-brainer.
People give away keys here from time to time!
People give away keys here from time to time!
There are generally a lot of giveaways where you have to jump through a lot of social media hoops to get a chance at a key.
Blizzard said it'll be open beta in December though.
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