With all the Wii U library already available, if a person only likes Bayonetta 2, I can say with ease that this one person have a really limited range of tastes.
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Hideki Kamiya: "Multiple publishers turned down Bayonetta 2"
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With all the Wii U library already available, if a person only likes Bayonetta 2, I can say with ease that this one person have a really limited range of tastes.
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ninjablade
Banned
personally thought lastgen had the most quality games, the only game i remember being amazing in the ps2 gen were DMC1 and 3, MGS2, ninja gaiden black, halo, GT3, riddick and resident evil 4.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Wrong Thread!
I don't think that's really true, maybe it is, and obviously art's subjective, so I could say Minecraft and LoL, the two biggest games in the world, both look like complete shit, but anyone could say that's not the case.
I think Vanquish and MGR have extremely similar aesthetics, and Rising was a big hit, and Vanquish sold worse than Bayonetta. Of course Metal Gear is a very popular brand though.
I actually think Bayo 2 is a lot 'prettier' than Bayo 1, all that gold and gray was really horrible last time, this richer color palette is an easier pill to swallow.
SilverLunar
Member
Here i though people will give it a rest, but two years later they still bitch about it.
Get angry at the superior PS4 and Xbone makers for not funding it, not Kamiya.
Not specifically at you, but you can just leave, this is a done deal, why keep moaning about it?
Get angry at the superior PS4 and Xbone makers for not funding it, not Kamiya.
Because naturally that will be the only good game on the console during it's lifetime.
I think Sify64's point was that people constantly complain about not being able to play the game, instead of just moving on and accepting it.
I really want to play Bloodborne, but I won't be getting it on release as there are not enough games on the platform yet that interest me. And that's fine with me.
Also, I think Wii U's lacking sales are down to much more than the games (I actually think it has some of the best exclusives released over the past 2 years), but that' a separate discussion.
Flachmatuch
Member
Just in terms of new big selling stuff, it had other big games like GTA3, Kingdom Hearts or God of War, and in terms of niche games, the 360 gen and the ps2 gen aren't even close.
Last gen was great (for most people) because it was finally time for online and an American company that actually *understood software engineering* started doing it (well, technically that also happened during the PS2 gen but we can ignore that). In terms of innovation and diversity in games, as opposed to pure technology, it was nowhere close to the generation before it, and the main reason was increased development costs.
Apart from better technology and more refined (and thus much, much higher cost) design, the vast majority of gameplay refinements are from the PS2 gen (or before). The last gen did make it more sophisticated and eliminated lots of annoying stuff, but that brought huge problems imo.
See, it's really simple.
Nobody is forced to spend any money on anything. If you care for a game enough to spend money on it, then you buy it. If for some reason, like having to buy a new console, the expense is more than you're willing to spend, then you don't.
It's OK. It's a decision (almost) everybody makes.
But if you decide to buy system X and not Y, and thus play game XX and not YY, it's your goddamn decision. You won't get to play YY because you decided to spend your money this way, not because the developer/publisher deprived you from your right to play it by releasing on a different system than the one you chose to own. Acting like it's the latter is terrible and means you're anything but a fan of the game/developer in question.
Same here. It looks really rad, but if I ever get to play it, it'll likely be years after release. And that's OK.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
I know you said it's not directed at me but I have a Wii U. I'm not angry at Kamiya or Nintendo. I simply think it's preposterous to take issue with people who can't justify spending $300 for one title.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
It's irrelevant. If someone only wants Bayo 2, that's fine. Just because some people rate DKC or MK highly, doesn't mean anyone who doesn't is wrong.
Yep. this is what I meant.
Why is it Kamiya actually? It's always him, but he's not even on the project.
PensivePen
Member
He's writing the script, and overseeing the whole development. But it's mainly because he's just the most recognizable name at Platinum. I know he's gotten really annoyed in the past at people asking him things about MGR, Anarchy Reigns, and even old Clover games like God Hand that he wasn't involved with.
Probably because people seem to be under the impression that he's working on Bayonetta 2, despite him saying that he wasn't.
Yep people seem to think that anything Platinum=Kamiya.
akidnamededdy
Banned
You'd think if somebody cared enough to complain about the game's platform for two years they'd care enough to maybe put aside a little money to actually play it.
Hey guys maybe if you harass Kamiya on Twitter for two more years they'll port it finally. I mean, none of you will buy it then anyway based on the numbers its predecessor pulled, but at least you'll uh...have...got something out of it all?
Hey guys maybe if you harass Kamiya on Twitter for two more years they'll port it finally. I mean, none of you will buy it then anyway based on the numbers its predecessor pulled, but at least you'll uh...have...got something out of it all?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Is it preposterous to take issue with people saying they would rather the game was never made than to be on the WiiU?
Herpes Reasons
Banned
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Oh wahhh! My heart really goes out to all you people who refuse to buy a system for game you supposedly care about.
I can't believe people even try proposing an argument that the arrangement to get Bayo2 to happen is somehow a bad thing.
Just stop.
I can't believe people even try proposing an argument that the arrangement to get Bayo2 to happen is somehow a bad thing.
Just stop.
ShockingAlberto
Member
He's the public face of Platinum over Inaba, for some reason, and is the father of the series. He also did write the story and was probably involved with major decisions like who would publish the game.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Yes because this is what it sounds like to everyone else.
"IF I CAN'T HAVE THE THING I WANT THEN NO ONE CAN"
Cool huh?
There is no issue if you can't afford or justify the cost, but then why do most of these same poeple continue to complain? The situation is set in stone, so just stick by your choice and move on already.
I'm pretty sure people are just annoyed with the complaining by this point. Even if Sony or Microsoft did decide to fund the game, then we would just be in the same theoretical situation where "Not everybody likes Uncharted, Last of Us, Demon's Souls, etc. and will pay $400 for one game". If you have an issue with the Nintendo exclusivity, then any anger you have should be directed towards your platform of choice (Sony or Microsoft) for not picking up the game. Otherwise, people will just have to shell out the money for a Wii U, much like they would have to spend money if it were exclusive to any other platform.
It's not people saying "You have to spend $300!" It's people saying "This is the only option, so take it or leave it."
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Holding the belief "If I can't have it then nobody should have it" is the preposterous argument here.
EDIT:
That is LITERALLY WHAT PEOPLE IN THIS TOPIC ARE SAYING
Flachmatuch
Member
That's exactly what the poster you replied to meant, isn't it?
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Let me get this straight:
Preferring a game to not exist than come out on a platform you own = Perfectly fine and above reproach.
Preferring people stop complaining about a game coming out on a system they don't own = Unreasonable.
Are you serious?
Ok, nevermind. I think you might be a touch crazy.
akidnamededdy
Banned
That person had been trolling Bayo threads hard lately, pay them no mind.
Pay none of these people any mind.
Meesh
Member
I don't think so. The game/franchise(?) was dead, finished and going nowhere. Nintendo breathes life into the situation and potentially exposes Bayonetta to those who might not have played it otherwise. Personally I'm happy the series lives, even as sales falter because I'd rather a quality entry in the Bayoverse than no Bayo at all. Multiple publishers passing up Bayo sounds indicative of either too many action games in a given place, trends, or maybe the title just not being popular enough in general to gamble on. So really...even if I didn't own a WiiU I'd be applauding Nintendo for having the balls, and wallet, to fund a game they probably knew was too niche to make an impact but would give a little more breadth to their portfolio.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Dude, this is too funny to ignore! Someone, somewhere is going to write a fascinating psychological study on what Bayonetta 2 did to people someday.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
Holding the belief "If I can't have it then nobody should have it" is the preposterous argument here.
EDIT:
That is LITERALLY WHAT PEOPLE IN THIS TOPIC ARE SAYING
My apologies, I misread your post. I read it as you asking if it's preposterous for people to prefer a game to never be made than to have it on a platform they don't own. Is it preposterous for Wii U owners to call out those who feel the above? No, it's not preposterous.
protomouse
Member
The OT is but a fortnight away. The review thread shall announce its triumphant arrival. I can feel it in my bones: a storm is coming.
I just re-remembered that "I want to punch a dolphin in it's vagina" tweet.
I'd read the shit out of an actual study on the subject.
The bitching has gone on for two years... Ignoring it isn't work, as shown by Platinum Games.
And we're two months away from no one talking about the game at all, so it's going to be a non-issue.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I think you're kidding yourself if you think Bayonetta 2 sales numbers aren't going to be discussed.
Yeah, but unfortunately the OT and review thread will likely be a derailing mess.
I just wanna say that you guys spend too much time with the crazies though, and my therapist says it's not healthy.
Do the right thing and let this thread die like all the other toxic Bayonetta 2 threads.
I swear, no other console exclusive has ever achieved a mess of this magnitude before. PG should take their place in gaming history just for this.
I said two months, dust on sales will have settled by then.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
We won't get NPD sales data until December - in 2 months speculative sales discussion will be at its peak.
Oppo
Member
StuBurns answered this for me:
So the thing is, I think the vocal contingent that bellyached about Bayo 2's Wii U-only status at the outset were a bunch of naff idiots. That said, the sentiment seemed to disperse in the general gaming discussion fairly quickly. What was LEFT was indignant Wii U fans who basically couldn't seem to get over the bad behaviour on the first party's part. I think a lot of this has to do with natural interest, the things you click; whenever Kamiya has to field a dumb tweet (which is common) it is held aloft like this nasty trophy, passed around, "SEE?! dat SALT" and the cycle repeats. It's because some of you follow Bayo 2 so closely that this seems more prevalent, is my guess. To put it bluntly, I see 10x as much meta-bitching about "stealth port begging" than I see actual port begging at this point. It's toxic behaviour.
If you have a Wii U, you WON, you get Bayo 2. Who cares what shrill fanboys think? Don't become the monster you would fight
We don't get October NPDs until December? That seems strange. I never click on those threads, so I don't know, I just presumed we got them at the end of the month, sorry. But still, okay, so three months. After two years, that's not bad.
You don't seem to listen to your therapist's advice too much yourself then
But yeah you're probably right.StuBurns answered this for me:
So the thing is, I think the vocal contingent that bellyached about Bayo 2's Wii U-only status at the outset were a bunch of naff idiots. That said, the sentiment seemed to disperse in the general gaming discussion fairly quickly. What was LEFT was indignant Wii U fans who basically couldn't seem to get over the bad behaviour on the first party's part. I think a lot of this has to do with natural interest, the things you click; whenever Kamiya has to field a dumb tweet (which is common) it is held aloft like this nasty trophy, passed around, "SEE?! dat SALT" and the cycle repeats. It's because some of you follow Bayo 2 so closely that this seems more prevalent, is my guess. To put it bluntly, I see 10x as much meta-bitching about "stealth port begging" than I see actual port begging at this point. It's toxic behaviour.
If you have a Wii U, you WON, you get Bayo 2. Who cares what shrill fanboys think? Don't become the monster you would fight
I agree, but you have a couple of things wrong.
First you say WiiU fans. I don't consider myself any platform's fan, i am a game fan and i have all platforms to experience all games. Bayonetta 2 existing is a victory for all gamers.
Secondly, we are all humans, and we are dealing with this moronic shit for 2 whole years. Ofc some are pissed, including some at PG.