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Hillary Clinton officially launches presidential campaign
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DrForester
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Really sucks that Democrats are just sitting back not challenging her. Obama stood for change, Clinton just seems like the stereotypical politician.
Guess I'll be researching my third party options.
Guess I'll be researching my third party options.
As an foreign outsider to this whole circus, it is both fascinating and frightening. The way you Americans campaign is so different than here in the Netherlands, the person is much more important to you, while here campaigns mostly are about the viewpoints of the parties. However, it is kinda scary to think that your choice, where I have zero influence on, will also have a lot of indirect consequences for me. So don't fuck this up American bros!
j_k_redtail
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It was appropriate for the time. I think it's easy to remember just how bad things were looking toward the end of the Bush administration.
I'm not talking about independents or party identification. You're saying the money in politics is wasted; I'm saying that money spent ends up in the economy in some way so it is not wasted. It does not matter who you voted for and whether or not you're in the middle; the money is used in the ways I listed. Moreover, the money in elections is used to elect the people who will make the policy decisions and legislation that presumably act to fix the water problems, state debts, and whatnot you mentioned, so it's an investment in the future. Is that a waste?
In recent years over 40% of the electorate has identified themselves as independents, so I wouldn't be so sure to say that majority of independents are in your "young" age group.
How did those videos and slick stuff you saw that made you vote for Obama get made? For what reason did they get made, other than to excite the young demographic? Do you think the internet media outreach didn't cost money? Compare the production value of Hillary's announcement video to Ted Cruz's rough equivalent. Obama's campaign required heavy duty database infrastructure; the money was used on both the tech and the personnel. They had frequent blanket emails, videos, graphics, and other web productions that had to be paid for. Of course the Obama campaign probably didn't need nearly as much money as they raised in total, but a war chest is a war chest.
What won Obama's first campaign was not his internet outreach. It was his grassroots operation which got callers on the telephone lines and boots on the ground to help get every voter he needed to the polls. Contact the voters; remind them to vote. And that costs money, even with volunteers. Campaign events to recruit more hands. Commercials for the older demographic. Expenses on polling to determine where more effort needs to be applied, what issues to address.
All of it is money, and all of it got deposited into the economy in some way, through salaries or merchandise or print shops or venues or anything else. So it's not a waste economically.
I think you're assuming a lot about what older voters are actually capable of doing with their phones. It's questionable how many of them know how to look up directions, and also questionable whether or not they know how to look up information for anything. Just because you personally have tech savvy does not extend that tech savvy to other voters.
There is no democrat as strong of a candidate as her. There is no Obama like candidate out her. She is the best candidate in the party, bar none.
DrForester
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And that's just sad.
Blame the electorate for wiping out dem goveners and senators in 2010 and 2014.
Face it Tiger..
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I wish there was a 3rd term for obama...
oh well.
I wish Hillary the best.
oh well.
I wish Hillary the best.
Frank Serpico
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DragonSworne
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Her policies are nearly identical to Obama. This will effectively be a Obama third term if she wins
Sgt.EntryEnass
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I expect Jay Z & Beyonce to show support in a major way.
She has most of his turnout team, too. As far as news regarding her campaign organization goes, this made me feel 1000% better about her prospects.
Yup. There really are few viable options for president, with Booker, Klobuchar, and Gillibrand waiting in the wings. And Klobuchar is probably a more likely VP nominee, anyway.
Couldn't win a national election.
PhoenixDark
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Booker is trash although his stance on guns is impressive.
I would have bet that Clinton would take a Third Way approach and work with republicans, pass corporate friendly legislation, etc...but considering the far right hates her more now than than did 4 years ago...I'm expecting more obstruction.
Dems might win the senate in 2016 although I wouldn't bet on it. But there's no chance they win the House.
I would have bet that Clinton would take a Third Way approach and work with republicans, pass corporate friendly legislation, etc...but considering the far right hates her more now than than did 4 years ago...I'm expecting more obstruction.
Dems might win the senate in 2016 although I wouldn't bet on it. But there's no chance they win the House.
BUNTING1243
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I'm on board with Clinton, but it seems dangerous for the nomination to be so uncontested. What if there is a giant scandal?
I love her but she is not electable at all. She is sticking to the senate for a reason.
DrForester
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I would love for Warren to run. Clinton won't do anything as president. In the Senate she just sat back and filled a seat because she knew she would be president in 2008. She just wants to be the first Woman President.
He'll if anyone could ruin Clinton's coronation like Obama did I would be a happy, happy person.
Face it Tiger..
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shit ain't gonna be the same.
What policy will she have that differs from Obama? An actual policy as president.
And Republicans won't allow Warren to do anything as President, assuming she can even win.
You don't think she wants to do anything? You are dead wrong. Anyone who has followed her career knows she cares deeply about healthcare reform and economic policies to help the worse off. She has shown this time and time again.
That post was republican level delusional.
Gurgelhals
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Isn't he currently at Microsoft? Seriously, who decides to hire these guys?And that's the biggest difference. Competence versus Mark Penn
PhoenixDark
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The official Democrat Party twitter page is currently advertising Hillary's website lol. So much for a competitive primary.
She'll nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court, are you being obtuse or do you not realize just how damn important that is in this country?
couldn't you say the same about obama?
not that i'm particularly pleased with her senate record (iraq)
She would NEVER win in this climate. Way too leftist for this country imo.
Grover Cleveland
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Yep. I say this all the time when people bring up Warren as a viable candidate.
Even if Warren were to win (and I think that would require rushing to the center, someone on the left wing is not going to win a general election in this climate), her whole agenda would get obstructed to hell and back by Congressional Republicans.
It's one of the most important things a president can do. But apparently "she doesn't want to do anything". No new liberal SC justices I guess then.
TDLink
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Even if that was true (which it isn't), she would still spend a considerable amount of her first term campaigning for a second so it's not really the same. We should all know how it goes at this point.
I really don't like the idea (which has been around for a while) that it's a foregone conclusion that she will be the democratic candidate. It feels like there won't even be a competitive democratic primary, which is just wrong.
In a world where it's her vs the GOP crazy train I'm probably going to end up voting for her, but I wish there was a better choice because I really am not a huge fan of her either.
Would vote for another term for Bill though (but that isn't what this is).
gutter_trash
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It's so frustrating reading a complaint that "she won't do anything", seemingly ignoring all important shit that has to be done by a President and the sheer importance of all of it. Not to mention all the stuff she will do.
airmangataosenai
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thats her logo?
eh
I think it's a bit clever, but yeah it's a bit corporate. Perfect for her!
The first female president, good stuff.
gutter_trash
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thats her logo?
eh
Hospital entrance to your right
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all you Warren people.... c'mon what makes you think Warren can do better than Humphry, McGovern, Mondale or Dukakis? Even Kerry allowed himself to get Swiftboated.
Hilldog is probably the toughest dog in the yard to fight off incoming GOP smear
well it pretty much is... she's going to have about 2.5 billion to spend on the campaign, the only rivals so far are jim web and that maryland governer, neither which have a solid campaign arm (that i'm aware of), and it's probably too late for another viable candidate to jump in and play catchup.
not that i'm fine with having such few options, but that's just how things panned out. it's not like anybody's been stopping warren or somebody else to organize against her. don't hate the player
Really think it's a slam dunk that Julian Castro will be the presumptive VP.
Hillary doesn't need her domestic or foreign credentials to be burnished. There aren't any good options in swing states like Colorado and North Carolina right now. Latino vote will put Texas into play within the next two elections.
First female President and first Latino ticket mate. It's what the DNC wants.
Matt Santos II.
Hillary doesn't need her domestic or foreign credentials to be burnished. There aren't any good options in swing states like Colorado and North Carolina right now. Latino vote will put Texas into play within the next two elections.
First female President and first Latino ticket mate. It's what the DNC wants.
Matt Santos II.
Avon Barksdale
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On a scale of Walter Mondale to FDR, how shit-scared are Republicans right now?
Not to mention if she did ride in on a obama style democratic majority she would run up against conservative democrats.
I feel like we take all these school courses on government but I get the impression a large swath of people in this country think the president has dictatorial type powers.
At best Warren would reside over a complex democratic majority that wouldn't accept her more left wing ideas and at worst she would end up being a lame duck like Obama for a large part of her presidency.
She would shift foreign policy and that is a positive but for the most part her presidency, in what she could realistically achieve, would not be a whole lot different then Hillary's. She also runs a much higher risk of getting Jimmy Cartered by democrats.
She could do a lot more if America voted in 2010 and 2014 like 2008 and 2012 expeially the former where congressional Republicans gerrymandered themselves into a House majority for a decade.
NullPointer
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Who was originally modeled off of Obama, so that means...
... actually I'm not sure what that means.
gutter_trash
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they are Bubba scared, 90s style
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