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Hillary Clinton officially launches presidential campaign

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Not to mention if she did ride in on a obama style democratic majority she would run up against conservative democrats.

I feel like we take all these school courses on government but I get the impression a large swath of people in this country think the president has dictatorial type powers.

At best Warren would reside over a complex democratic majority that wouldn't accept her more left wing ideas and at worst she would end up being a lame duck like Obama for a large part of her presidency.

She would shift foreign policy and that is a positive but for the most part her presidency, in what she could realistically achieve, would not be a whole lot different then Hillary's.

I think the presidency is much less important than we or the media give it credit for. Won't matter if Hilary gets elected. People in congress decide what happens with the country.
 
On a scale of Walter Mondale to FDR, how shit-scared are Republicans right now?

While I'm sure many are wringing their hands already at the implications - given Hilary's historically strong numbers leading into her candidacy - I'd say Republicans and Democrats alike should be very careful about crowning her already.

There are many hurdles she's going to have to cross, many obstacles that will be thrown in her path by the opposition. There's the debates. There's the convention. How she responds to these, how the public interprets her handling of them... is going to be just as important as any popularity she had leading into her candidacy.
 
I would love for Warren to run. Clinton won't do anything as president. In the Senate she just sat back and filled a seat because she knew she would be president in 2008. She just wants to be the first Woman President.

He'll if anyone could ruin Clinton's coronation like Obama did I would be a happy, happy person.

What will Warren do as president, with a republican House? Let's be real. Let Warren stay in the senate, gain seniority, and continue to shape legislation. I don't agree with Grover Norquist on much of anything but he's 100% right that the president doesn't matter a whole lot: the goal should be to full congress with people who hand him/her the best legislation to sign. If there were 60 Elizabeth Warrens in the senate in 2009 the country would be a lot better off right now. Because they would have handed Obama better legislation to sign.
 
I literally delivered to your mouth. :|
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Alright everyone say it with me

SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS
To which both Warren and Clinton would put liberal judges in place and would get the same pushback from congress regardless of who was there. Which is what the argument was stemming from.
 
Serious question, would a woman have a harder time becoming president than a black person? Would Hilary have a bigger fight on her hands than Obama did?
 
Alright everyone say it with me

SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS

And when is the next one coming up? I was under the impression we were stuck for a while? Guess not going off your sarcasm.

Also yes what the other poster said. Do the nominees not have to be approved by the senate? Which is republican controlled last I checked.
 
And when is the next one coming up? I was under the impression we were stuck for a while? Guess not going off your sarcasm.
Are you serious? We don't know when the next appointment is coming, which is the point. A Republican president would probably lead to the older members of the conservative wing retiring to be replaced with fresh justices who will stick around for decades. Not to mention the distinct possibility that Ginsburg dies or retires within the next 4 years.
 
And when is the next one coming up? I was under the impression we were stuck for a while? Guess not going off your sarcasm.

It would be remarkable if we don't get at least two Supreme Court justices off the court in the next 8 years. Some of them are getting ridiculously old. Honestly, given the statistical likelihood of people dying after the age of 76, we might get even more.

Hugely eventful time in Supreme Court Nominations coming up, enough to change the court for generations. It's too important.
 
I'm hoping for a better candidate from the Democrats. Hillary is completely bought out by AIPAC, I'll never vote for her.
 
Serious question, would a woman have a harder time becoming president than a black person? Would Hilary have a bigger fight on her hands than Obama did?
I think McCain was a more formidable opponent then anyone Hillary is gearing up to face, including Bush.

I also think sexism will be much harder to use as a tool because the republican base consists of white women of whom many will not respond well to anti-woman rhetoric.
 
The biography on her website, plastered with buzzwords, that comes across so mechanical and put together by a dozen people is classic Hillary. I've always got the impression that she holds back, afraid of making a mistake, so she fashions herself in a way that makes her appear disingenuous
 
Has she made any updating comment on the "war on drugs"?

Seems like she still thinks it the 90s and the war on drugs is cool.

Do not want.
 
Serious question, would a woman have a harder time becoming president than a black person? Would Hilary have a bigger fight on her hands than Obama did?

it really depends on the candidate. obama didn't have much of an uphill climb because he was a once in a lifetime candidate, was essentially drafted into the race, and running against an unpopular incumbent

race was pretty much an afterthought in the gist of things. i mean it was a factor sure... but i think we're past the threshold where race and gender alone bar somebody from the office
 
Are you serious? We don't know when the next appointment is coming, which is the point. A Republican president would probably lead to the older members of the conservative wing retiring to be replaced with fresh justices who will stick around for decades. Not to mention the distinct possibility that Ginsburg dies or retires within the next 4 years.

Yes I am serious I am not following the lives of supreme court justices very closely but yes I am willing to agree that that is the most important thing a president can do and would be important to have Hilary or Warren in there for.

We are likely to get at least 2 openings in the next term.

It would be remarkable if we don't get at least two Supreme Court justices off the court in the next 8 years. Some of them are getting ridiculously old. Honestly, given the statistical likelihood of people dying after the age of 76, we might get even more.

Hugely eventful time in Supreme Court Nominations coming up, enough to change the court for generations. It's too important.

Thanks for the info. Really wish supreme court justices weren't lifetime appointments.
 
The next President of the United States of America unless the Republicans somehow fight fire with fire and field their own female candidate.
 
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Biden is just seen as too much of a clown, unserious, a big kid. He has a weak "maybe I shouldn't do this" filter. I can't really see him taking the long-term party interests in mind when he's too busy living in the now. I can't necessarily blame him for that, he's an older man who better enjoy life now while he can, but it leads him to do things like this.

 
Scalia and Kennedy would most likely rather die than retire under a Democratic President. They are not stupid. As long as Hillary is President, they wont retire.

I mean, unless Scalia plans to live and work till 100, he's not going to have much of a chance to retire under a Republican President.
 
Yes I am serious I am not following the lives of supreme court justices very closely but yes I am willing to agree that that is the most important thing a president can do and would be important to have Hilary or Warren in there for.





Thanks for the info. Really wish supreme court justices weren't lifetime appointments.
Warren isn't running. She is not an option here ;)
 
Scalia and Kennedy would most likely rather die than retire under a Democratic President. They are not stupid. As long as Hillary is President, they wont retire.

Sometimes people don't get to choose how long they serve the court though, ya know? It's morbid but that's the reality... These people are old. :P

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+ RBG, Breyer and Kennedy
Of course, there's nothing to stop Congress from borking any of Clinton's nominations.

Good luck at them stopping a Supreme Court nomination over the long term without serious shit in that person's judicial past. The political hit Republicans would take for trying to drag that out for too long (other than for the standard amount of time necessary to say they put up a fight), given how important the Supreme Court is, would be disastrous.
 
God I hope to fuck a Democrat is in office when Scalia goes.

A court without that dirtbag would be the thing to make me smile more than any event politically in the past 20 years :P
If she's in office and he goes, I'm calling-in sick to work for the rest of that week. The fireworks from the right, knowing that a liberal Supreme Court would doom huge swaths of their social agenda at all levels of government, would be incredible.
 
Aren't Supreme Court appointments being blocked relatively rare?

They usually end up taking themselves out of the race when they become political liabilities. Usually due to something controversial in their judicial past. That's what the Republicans would be hunting for.

I can't imagine they're suicidal enough to long-term try to block a competent candidate, no matter what their ideology is, without such a thing... even in today's gridlocked world, that's political suicide.
 
Biden as president would be amazing. I don't know if he'd be any good at it but it would be SO much fun to watch. Dude would fuck with the GOP every chance he gets.
 
Biden as president would be amazing. I don't know if he'd be any good at it but it would be SO much fun to watch. Dude would fuck with the GOP every chance he gets.

The benefit of Biden is that he knows how to navigate the Senate and House. He knows how to deal, the minutiae of how things function in Washington. That's a really great strength to have, as Lyndon Johnson can attest to. It was one of Obama's great weaknesses that he did not seem to be able to do that well, despite his short time in the Senate.
 
I'm hoping for a better candidate from the Democrats. Hillary is completely bought out by AIPAC, I'll never vote for her.

What if I told you that whoever ends up being the republican nominee is bought too?

The way politics works in America is simple:

You either vote for Democrat or Republican. If you cast your ballot for a third party (independent or otherwise) you're simply trashing away your right to vote - effectively. In doing so, sometimes, hurting the party you're probably more aligned to in the process.

It's a lesser of the two evils kind of proposition when neither candidate from either party appeals to you.

I personally have no interest in an abomination combo of a Republican President, Tea Party clown show House of Representatives (that not even Boehner can control) and a McConnell run Senate to back it up. Not to mention strengthening a "conservative" Supreme Court even more.

On those grounds alone, I can not vote for a republican. Their candidates make it even easier to justify it.
 
The benefit of Biden is that he knows how to navigate the Senate and House. He knows how to deal, the minutiae of how things function in Washington. That's a really great strength to have, as Lyndon Johnson can attest to. It was one of Obama's great weaknesses that he did not seem to be able to do that well, despite his short time in the Senate.

Right, Obama was far too naive in how Washington works to know what he was getting into. Although, I don't think anyone could have predicted how crazy the Republicans would become once he took office.
 
Can people please stop talking about Warren? Christ, I'm having flashbacks to the mid-00s when everyone would name drop Ron Paul in threads that had NOTHING to do with him.
 
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