Aaronology
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Releasing a single facebook message after an extended period of silence is now an earnest attempt to become the new face of the Democratic Party of the United States of America.
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Hillary Clinton video message on Facebook
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Ok.
The hate she gets is unjustified, but her campaign definitely wasn't "fine".
IrishNinja
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YASS QUEEN
she done fucked up but kerry's still about, this'll be fine. also more of y'all should watch broad city
for real, heads acting like they're running her here again
she done fucked up but kerry's still about, this'll be fine. also more of y'all should watch broad city
for real, heads acting like they're running her here again
Arrogant Bastard
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Meh, I'm a white male with a decent job, I can stand with my ideals.
Oh I'm sorry, you must be brown, have a vagina, LGBTQ, an immigrant, etc. sucks for you.
Not sorry, that is what the idealistic bile sounds like to me. I get having ideals, but some people need to realize that it isn't always about them. You stayed home or voted 3rd party cause eww Hillary and now we have a man in the WH who is BURNING the progress that was made over eight years in a month.
And FFS, why can't she still be a prominent voice of the party? Oh right, hate boner, my bad. Im really starting to hate 'progressives'. At least the GOP gets behind their man, win/lose/draw. We cannot stop fighting among ourselves.
On the official DNC facebook page. This isn't some random video she put out by herself.
I said "A face" not a new face or THE face.
the clinton "brand", so to speak, as it relates to politics is certainly tarnished likely beyond repair but I don't see the issue with hillary getting her voice out there in times like these. I'll be the first the shun her ever running for office again but this video is fine. great, even. we need all hands on deck.
Looks like we're still here then
They're afraid to look inward, because it would require placing some blame or fault on themselves.
whyamihere
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Because it's for the DNC.
You could easily play this game with Bernie supporters in the primary who would prefer to harp on RIGGED! versus their own candidates issues.
I mean, it's the same thing for some Hillary supporters now, but don't act like this is a unique phenomena.
Bruce Springsteen
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God bless the queen
America, you fucked up bad
America, you fucked up bad
To be fair, she's so shrill and untrustworthy and it's HER fault she wasn't someone I would vote for and THANKS FOR TRUMP
MightyKAC
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soul creator
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MRAs were right, white women were the true sexists all along
please don't take me seriously
Tranqueris
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It got to the point where people in the media were pointing out the blatant double standard she had to put up with, while also enforcing said double standard at the same time.
I've seen a lot of posts blaming her for losing the election and yeah she made mistakes but even if she had redirected her campaign she would have won what? An extra 500,000 votes, maybe? That means that 91.5 million people (instead of 92) would have still seen what Trump was about in the year and a half before the election and decided to not do a damn thing about it.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Cute meme, but in the end, who actually has the most to lose?Looks like we're still here then
Also, it's interesting that you compare children with voters. Voters are supposed to be adults.
Looks like we're still here then
I know you're saying that we shouldn't blame mass sexism at all in this scenario.
Just so you know. I got it
sturgboski
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Yeah, I mean we should acknowledge that she didnt show up in most of these "Blue Wall States." Granted the voting populace there was do dumb that they basically said "well Trump had a rally here and she didnt, I should vote for him" when he had no policy ideas and she had a novel of them. There were a lot of things she could have done better and last year was a display of everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.
Bernie stayed in and kept attacking her even when he had no chance of winning (note I am not criticizing him staying in, just the unnecessary attacks which Trump and the alt-right used)
Media giving so much unchecked air time to Trump
Media making every little thing about Hillary seem like a world ending event and then glossing over things Trump was doing
Hillary not campaigning as much as she should have and not visiting the places she really should have
Polling being way the fuck off. I could understand Hillary and her team going "ok we are solidly in the lead in all these states and turning states we never thought we would, let us focus our attention on those states."
excelsiorlef
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She's the previous Democratic nominee, lifelong Democrat and winner of the popular vote.
If you thought the party was just going to throw her under the bus...Again, check your bubble.
Snkfanatic
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Holy shit this thread is a joke. Some of you really need to wake up.
whyamihere
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You can run a very flawed campaign and also be the victim of blatant sexism, some of which lives on the first page of this thread.
You guys really need to stop thinking in binary terms.
You guys really need to stop thinking in binary terms.
Killerhertz
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I think there is a lot you can pick at with her neoliberalism, corporate crony, Bill... however I decided that this women hasn't gotten a fair shake she never did and when you go back and look at the record there is still a lot of questions to be raised but there is a lot of good she has tried to do. I think that if she had been president she would of surprised a lot of critics and got a lot of good things accomplished.
Oh, I see. You seem to miss how in this scenario, I'm fighting back against a tidal wave of piss that exists regardless of me trying to catch it with my tin bucket.
whyamihere
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Mondale and McGovern and Dukakis was easily worse Jesus Christ.
Stop with the hyperbole.
Stop with the hyperbole.
Billy_Pilgrim
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You know I always thought it would be the Bernie lot who morphed into America's Momentum crowd and was quite surprised when it turned out the purist lunatics were actually for Hillary.
They don't have to throw her under the bus at all and I'm in no way suggesting that. I'm just saying she should not be a public figure for the dems. If this is a one off video then it's not an issue, but if it's something regular we're going to be rehashing this past election for the rest of this term.
whyamihere
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Who are you talking to.
The Technomancer
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The blue wall state thing is something that, in hindsight, is a huge mistake but I'm hard pressed to call it "stupid" at the time. She was up +8 in Wisconsin! Someone smarter could and should have figured it out but it's not like they were ignoring unfavorable data
Arrogant Bastard
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Progressives calling progressives lunatics, yah 2018/2020 is going to be awesome.
I'm so glad I'm a white male, thank you lotto.
whyamihere
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Yeah in their campaign's limited defense, it's not like the data was saying something different.
What people weren't paying attention to was the high % of undecided voters wouldn't break evenly.
Bruce Springsteen
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THANK YOU
Much of the conservative base hated trump but got behind him when he was the nominee
When Clinton was nominated, talking with liberals, you'd think she was the fucking tea party candidate for god's sake, with all the hate they had for her STILL
well folks, enjoy Trump for 8 years, because republicans control the congress so there won't any impeachment and the electoral college ain't going nowhere and Trump is still loved in states like Ohio and Florida
sturgboski
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Oh I agree. I had another post stating about how polling was a huge thing that went wrong this past cycle and most likely affected the campaigns decisions (why focus on a solidly blue state when we might pull these states that are seemingly in play?). Also, I wasnt implying IT was stupid, rather the populace was. I mean there are interviews with people who said essentially what I said: "he came out here, she didnt so we voted for him."
The Technomancer
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Yup...
It was always pretty obvious there was some serious cases of self-projection going on in the Bernie criticism so I wasn't that surprised.
Billy_Pilgrim
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When you lose an election to donald trump and react by wanting more of the same, I don't understand how it's anything other than lunacy.
And if you read the thread that you'll see people aren't actually that bothered about Hillary releasing a video, they're bothered about her fanbase still peddling the 'everything was fine' stuff.
whyamihere
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And almost all the late deciders went for Trump. That's hard to combat.
Yeah the person who destroyed the other candidate in the popular vote has no value here.
And lol at rehashing the election at every mention of her name and then complaining that mentioning her name will just lead to rehashing the election.
Ignore him, he's just a dude at an old low-lit gentleman's club; pipe in mouth, scotch in hand
Arrogant Bastard
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We deserve this, the only hope is that some people feel so much pain that they stop acting like petulant children.
minor effort
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I mean, on one hand, I agree that it would probably be strategically better if both Hillary and Bernie took hands-off roles in the 2020 Democratic primary. I don't want the scenario where both Hillary and Bernie publicly back different candidates during the primaries and we wind up re-litigating 2016's primaries by proxy.
I don't want Hillary and Bernie to have to quit making political statements altogether because that would be an extreme overreach of the previous statement. But I still think they should approach 2020 delicately.
There's nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton making a Facebook video in Feb 2017, though.
I don't want Hillary and Bernie to have to quit making political statements altogether because that would be an extreme overreach of the previous statement. But I still think they should approach 2020 delicately.
There's nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton making a Facebook video in Feb 2017, though.
Jesus Carbomb
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I appreciate the ambiguity in this post. Well done, Harvey.
why are you calling her a queen?
whyamihere
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You're projecting a lot here. I don't think anyone in here is saying "we need Hillary again!", just that she doesn't deserve the ire of so many on the left.
mercenar1e
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I feel she's trying to position herself as the opposition to Donald Trump for the next election.
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