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Horizon: Forbidden West will have a 60fps Performance Mode on PS5.
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Dust-by-Monday
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Such a generic response. We're using it, but I can't really tell you how, but we are.
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Rea
Member
He's not technical director, so he doesn't understand much technical terms. We need to interview tech director from GG.
Balducci30
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Who was saying it wouldn’t have a 60fps mode? Doesn’t every PS5 game have that so far? Even PS5 exclusives? I missed all of that - either way the talk of free climbing is actually what is the most exciting part of this to me. That is the one thing I really would’ve liked in the og horizon - sounds like they are addressing everything necessary
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SenjutsuSage
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I was thinking the same thing. How is this bad news for xbox gamers....
Rea
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Burythelight
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The trolls post probably
Fake
Member
IDK If I could agree with you here. The new Guilty Gear dropped the base resolution to 900p, so unless there is no improves onto this new game using a more advanced version of guerrila engine I can't see the PS4 running at 1080p.
These sacrifices would be even greater.
Balducci30
Member
They said they are dropping the lighting on aloy, and the water is completely different/less advanced as well
Fake
Member
They said the resolution on PS4 will be 1080p?
Rea
Member
Lighting and shadows too. Also draw distance.
MOTM
Banned
Absolutely wishful thinking. Nobody is “waiting” on a PS5 to play Miles Morales come on. Everybody I know who has a PS5 is playing FIFA & Warzone, which are basically just the PS4 version.
Pwople aren’t buying Miles Morales on PS4 because they’re waiting for a PS5 ...
It’s selling well on PS5 because there was nothing at launch thats it.
Rea
Member
I wonder what's the ray tracing physics means. Any ideas?
kyliethicc
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Balducci30
Member
No? But aren’t those more intensive things to cut than resolution?
Rea
Member
Probably he mis-spoke. He's not a technical director afterall, so he's not so familiar with technical terms. My guess is that he meant Raytraced lighting.
Probably.
kyliethicc
Member
Nah it's an embargoed planned interview. If it was a mistake they would have edited it out before it went public. Its marketing.
They'e using RT for rendering (like lighting and or reflections), physics, and audio. Makes perfect sense.
Casting rays via software is used by Naughty Dog to have Nathan Drake put his hand on a wall as he walks by in Uncharted.
They ray cast the distance between Nate and the wall to see if its within arms reach, If it is, the animation can be used.
There's lots of ways to use ray tracing for calculations, physics, animation, audio... and of course lighting & shadows etc.
Fake
Member
This explain more than you think.
Lysandros
Member
Spiderman uses temporal injection (mostly 1440P+TI in performance mode) not CB.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think it'll be DRS.
Fake
Member
And I must say I rather prefer Temporal injection than CB.
Lysandros
Member
Yes, me too. It seems to be a superior solution.
kyliethicc
Member
Actually, DF found that Spidey on PS5 averaged around 1600p @ 60 Hz (not RT mode).
He said PS4 Pro is average 1500p 30 Hz, and PS5 manages to 2x the frame rate while at higher average resolution.
The 60 + RT mode tho was around 1440p average.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm okay with this. Scales nicely on a 4K set and looks better than on native 1080p sets. Pixel density is king, especially with even integer scaling.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Locked 1440p or dynamic 4K. Just look at the Miles Morales performance profiles on PS5 and use that as I guide I'd suggest.
So, I won't be surprised if this has a Performance mode with RT & 60 FPS on PS5; if Insomniac can do it, GG should be able to as well.
Should expect similar for Forbidden West PS5 version as well, then. Granted Spiderman isn't heavy on foilage and accompanying subtle physics for those, maybe TLOU2 PS5 patch is a better barometer here. What were the resolution/framerate metrics for that one again?
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MasterCornholio
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Only for the crazy people like TimDog for example. I don't see why any normal Xbox gamer should see this as bad news.
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Salty Popsicle
Banned
That's good news, but I thought these consoles would be powerful enough that they could run games, especially cross-gen ones, at near 4K and Solid 60FPS without compromises. When a game has a "Performance Mode", all it tells me is that the resolution will be decreased by at least 25% and texture detail will not be as impressive as shown in all the marketing shots and gameplay demos. Next-Gen games should be 60FPS standard, it's 2021 for Christ's sake.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
It'll be locked to 30FPS if you want it to look as good as that gameplay demo they showed-off a few days ago.To all those people who were whining and seriously thinking a CROSS GEN title would be locked to 30fps on Next Gen.
MasterCornholio
Member
Never knew RT could be used like that. I always wondered how they did that in the games.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
He said Xbox fans. They were the main ones criticizing the game being 30fps on Twitter after State of Play.
You should know. You follow a lot of these guys on twitter.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
In other words, a 1080p mode
Rea
Member
I think spider man ps4 also uses ray casting for one of the gadget. And when you throw a mob from top of the building, he will automatically stick to nearest wall by using ray casting.
Md Ray
Member
Lol no.
GymWolf
Member
The game doesn't run at 120 frames dude, have you seen those cheeks?!
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's always best to assume that it will run at around half of the resolution found in the 30fps mode. If it runs close to 4K, I don't know why it would have to run at 1080p just to achieve 60fps.
Md Ray
Member
Nope.
In general, whatever the resolution PS4 Pro runs at, expect 2x the frame-rate on PS5 at that res.
Pro ran HZD at 4K using CB. They won't drop CB for HFW, res might get downgraded to, say, 1728p-1800p w/ CB in place. This means PS5 should be doing ~1800p CB at 60fps, not 1080p.
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kyliethicc
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My guess is for Horizon Forbidden West:
PS4 - native 1080p @ 30
PS4 Pro - checkerboard 2160p @ 30
PS5 - checkerboard 2160p @ 30
PS5 - native 1440p @ 60
The Last of Us Part II is just a patched PS4 game. Same res as PS4 Pro, same exact everything, just at locked 60 now on PS5.
God of War is 1080p at an unstable uncapped 60 on PS4 Pro. But on PS5 its 4K CB and locked 60.
So we know PS5 can go from 30 to 60 and increase resolution for PS4 visual games. My guess is Guerrilla keep res a bit lower on PS5 for 60 mode cause its not just the PS4 game being played at 60, its the PS5 30 Hz mode being scaled back as necessary to hit 60. I think the PS5 versions of HFW at both 30 and 60 will have more in common and will look similar, while the PS4 versions will be noticeably less impressive visually.
Lysandros
Member
Yeah, i was referring to RT/60 FPS mode, that's why i wrote 'mostly 1440P' (because of few drops to 1080P in that mode).
assurdum
Banned
What console is powerful enough to go full 4k and 60 fps with crossgen titles?
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Stop calling 60 fps performance mode. It should be normal mode .
Oddvintagechap
Member
But it didnt well much at launch, you like speaking out of your ass? It did a fraction of 1st Spiderman on launch despite being on PS4/PS5. It has been top charts every month, mainly on pro PS5 splits.Absolutely wishful thinking. Nobody is “waiting” on a PS5 to play Miles Morales come on. Everybody I know who has a PS5 is playing FIFA & Warzone, which are basically just the PS4 version.
Pwople aren’t buying Miles Morales on PS4 because they’re waiting for a PS5 ...
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Negotiator101
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So why have a 30fps mode at all? And why demo the 30fps version? More than likely it doesn't look as good and the framerate is not stable. It's a 30fps game and they've targeted a 60fps performance mode.To all those people who were whining and seriously thinking a CROSS GEN title would be locked to 30fps on Next Gen.