Coffee Dog
Banned
They said that it didn't cause the intended reaction and they'd work on it, though it sounds like they made it even more brutal.
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Hotline Miami 2 Refused Australian Classification
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They said that it didn't cause the intended reaction and they'd work on it, though it sounds like they made it even more brutal.
I'll be more shocked when Ken Park and Baise Moi are released.
Ken Park needs to see the light of day here while Margaret Pomeranz is still alive
That cat deserved it.
Infernal Monkey
Member
Yup. Seems only a few developers/publishers know about it though.
It's taken a decade for us to get an R18+ rating here and now this shit still happens. It's bad enough we seem to have the most powerful femenist group in the solar system, managing to get games pulled from shelves while the misinformed and delusional stores with GMs and CEOs who've never touched a game in their lives blindly follow because their heads are so far up their ass they can't see. It's R18+ for a reason dipshits. We need a new fucking classification board. And people who work for stores that can think straight.
DiddysKongQuest
Member
Now I fear for a ban in Germany :/
Yep. She's basically the best argument for why the Censorship Board in Australia doesn't need to exist. The perfect example of a reasonable adult.
They're not a classification board. They are a censorship board.
Maybe if you raped someone on top of the tortured guys dead body we would have equivalence
GTAV PS3 ✓
GTAV 360 ✓
GTAV PS4 ✓
GTAV XB1 ✓
GTAV PC ✓
2D top down 16-bit looking Hotline Miami 2 ☓
Infernal Monkey
Member
Extra Sauce
Member
Interinactive knows what's up.
It's the classification board.
Here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Classification_Board
They can effectively sensor material by denying classification (which is what has been done).
It seems you need to pay attention to the limits the R rating has. There are some, with games and film. Its not an anything goes wild west.
And sexual violence is not something we like.
SolidSnakex
Member
Doesn't that apply to HM2? The rape scene in question is there for the story and it's not shown in detail at all.
Fantastic. Here we go again.
For anyone interested, here are the people deciding which games we can and can't play in Australia. Average age? 46.
For anyone interested, here are the people deciding which games we can and can't play in Australia. Average age? 46.
Ninteen Eighty Four had a Ministry of Truth. That doesn't mean the name was accurate.
It's a Censorship Board. Call it what it is.
Not really. Each of those scenes on their own are within the classification guidelines, combining them all into one on the other hand is a big fat NO, which is the issue with the HM2 scene.
Coflash
Member
I didn't change their terms or description of why it was banned. They should either stick to their rules across all games they review, or stop reviewing them altogether. They are the most inconsistent, useless bunch of cunts that have influence on the games we play.
And let us not forget that this game isn't being banned from kids playing it, it's a game rated for adults. If anyone out there actually believes that most adult gamers are going to be more affected by a rape scene in a 16bit game, than the things you can pull off in GTAV, then they're absolutely deluding themselves.
If the rape fits within the context of the game, there shouldn't be an issue. Just as there isn't an issue in movies or books. It's rape. Yes, it's horrible, but people need to get the fuck over it. It's a fact of life and always will be.
If adults are disturbed by it, then they shouldn't play it. And they certainly shouldn't pay for it. We don't need a nanny state to tell us how to use common sense. We're big boys and girls, we can figure it out.
Screw them and their censorship bullshit.
Syph Medwes
Member
theres a joke in here somewhere
We got Mortal Kombat 2011 and Left 4 Dead 2 uncensored so that's a plus I guess.
I would've said Ubisoft was right up there.
There's a 37 year old skater in there. I bet he's the reason we got that Marc Ecko game on Steam.
Seriously, he's probably the only voice of reason on that board. At least, as far as we're concerned.
FYI, when you read law you have to keep on going past all the ands and ors until you get to the end of the sentence. It'll be clumsy reading for sure but then you don't miss the final phrases which are the critical part under which each of the categories you cited have to be considered.
I'd rather call it what it's called, so yeah.
You do realise I posted this before i knew what the reason was, right? We now know it was due to sexual violence, but we weren't aware of this a while ago. Obviously there are limitations, I never argued against that.
I understand, but I feel it is a euphemistically named Board in the first place. Sort of like how North Korea is the "Democratic Peoples Republic", apparently.
Azure Dream
Member
Your rating board sucks if you refuse classification of things. You can have your "shameful black sheep we really hate this and we're suggesting stores don't carry it" rating like the ESRB's AO (although that needs some work too), but refusing it classification is just a failure of your system.
Great, some out of touch dickhead with no vested interest in my hobby who's only 7 years my senior gets to dictate to me what I can and can't play.
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
I'm glad I live somewhere will the game will be released without a problem, but this still frustrates me to see other people treated this way, particularly regarding a game I've been looking forward to since its first announcement.
Australian gamers, you have my sympathies. I'm sorry you have to deal with such an archaic board of censors who treat their citizens like children who don't know what's best for them.
Australian gamers, you have my sympathies. I'm sorry you have to deal with such an archaic board of censors who treat their citizens like children who don't know what's best for them.
ldcommando
Banned
Does this mean we are nearing the release date? I want to play this so bad
CambriaRising
Member
Let's not let adults be responsible for the content they choose to ingest. Nahhhh
The lack of an R rating was never the real issue but rather the guidelines that board members use to determine whether or not a title should be refused classification. As others have already said, though, the ruling shouldn't affect the PC version of the game since digital titles aren't required to be rated in the first place and Valve isn't in the business of policing the regional availability of games.
The underlying and frustrating problem with our game classification system is that games being interactive in nature results in them being more harshly judged -- you'll find no shortage of R-rated films with sexual violence, but it in any form is one of the big no-nos when it comes to games, hence Hotline Miami 2 being shown the door.
Robottiimu2000
Member
This reminds me that I haven't finished the first one yet.. Better get to it 
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
People are happy that a scene that was taken out of context from the game's larger story wasn't removed from said game due to negative reactions from people who saw the scene and took it out of context.
Azure Dream
Member
Sometimes a story needs to be ugly to be told properly. I don't think people are "excited" about the rape scene, but this is restricting the dev's ability to tell a story in the same way that other mediums employ.
jediyoshi
Member
Are you upset it's getting in the way of all the violence? Why are you drawing the line of abhorrence at sexual assault?
No. And you are drawing a bizarre implied meaning from my question. Why are you so keen to defend a rape scene?
I'm asking because I'm honestly trying to understand this thread. I did play the first HM and thought it was a well made game, but the reactions around HM2 perplex me.
Edit; and to be fair other forms of media don't also often feature scenes as portrayed by the Board in the description. Curious on how it will contribute to the storytelling of the game.