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How America Lost Its Mind [The Atlantic]

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It's a long one, but worth the read. It traces the origins of "gut feelings over facts" back to the 1960s and how it ultimately lead to where we are right now. Click the link for the full thing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind/534231/

The nation's current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.

When did America become untethered from reality?

I first noticed our national lurch toward fantasy in 2004, after President George W. Bush's political mastermind, Karl Rove, came up with the remarkable phrase reality-based community. People in ”the reality-based community," he told a reporter, ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality ... That's not the way the world really works anymore." A year later, The Colbert Report went on the air. In the first few minutes of the first episode, Stephen Colbert, playing his right-wing-populist commentator character, performed a feature called ”The Word." His first selection: truthiness. ”Now, I'm sure some of the ‘word police,' the ‘wordinistas' over at Webster's, are gonna say, ‘Hey, that's not a word!' Well, anybody who knows me knows that I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen. Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I wanna say it happened in 1941, that's my right. I don't trust books—they're all fact, no heart ... Face it, folks, we are a divided nation ... divided between those who think with their head and those who know with their heart ... Because that's where the truth comes from, ladies and gentlemen—the gut."

We believe that the government and its co-conspirators are hiding all sorts of monstrous and shocking truths from us, concerning assassinations, extraterrestrials, the genesis of aids, the 9/11 attacks, the dangers of vaccines, and so much more.

And this was all true before we became familiar with the terms post-factual and post-truth, before we elected a president with an astoundingly open mind about conspiracy theories, what's true and what's false, the nature of reality.

We have passed through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole. America has mutated into Fantasyland.

Why are we like this?

The short answer is because we're Americans—because being American means we can believe anything we want; that our beliefs are equal or superior to anyone else's, experts be damned. Once people commit to that approach, the world turns inside out, and no cause-and-effect connection is fixed. The credible becomes incredible and the incredible credible.

In 1962, people started referring to ”hippies," the Beatles had their first hit, Ken Kesey published One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and the Harvard psychology lecturer Timothy Leary was handing out psilocybin and LSD to grad students. And three hours south of San Francisco, on the heavenly stretch of coastal cliffs known as Big Sur, a pair of young Stanford psychology graduates founded a school and think tank they named after a small American Indian tribe that had lived on the grounds long before. ”In 1968," one of its founding figures recalled four decades later,

Esalen was the center of the cyclone of the youth rebellion. It was one of the central places, like Mecca for the Islamic culture. Esalen was a pilgrimage center for hundreds and thousands of youth interested in some sense of transcendence, breakthrough consciousness, LSD, the sexual revolution, encounter, being sensitive, finding your body, yoga—all of these things were at first filtered into the culture through Esalen. By 1966, '67, and '68, Esalen was making a world impact.

This is not overstatement. Essentially everything that became known as New Age was invented, developed, or popularized at the Esalen Institute. Esalen is a mother church of a new American religion for people who think they don't like churches or religions but who still want to believe in the supernatural. The institute wholly reinvented psychology, medicine, and philosophy, driven by a suspicion of science and reason and an embrace of magical thinking (also: massage, hot baths, sex, and sex in hot baths). It was a headquarters for a new religion of no religion, and for ”science" containing next to no science. The idea was to be radically tolerant of therapeutic approaches and understandings of reality, especially if they came from Asian traditions or from American Indian or other shamanistic traditions. Invisible energies, past lives, astral projection, whatever—the more exotic and wondrous and unfalsifiable, the better.

The notion of an immense and awful JFK-assassination conspiracy became conventional wisdom in America. As a result, more Americans than ever became reflexive conspiracy theorists. Thomas Pynchon's novel Gravity's Rainbow, a complicated global fantasy about the interconnections among militarists and Illuminati and stoners, and the validity of paranoid thinking, won the 1974 National Book Award. Conspiracy became the high-end Hollywood dramatic premise—Chinatown, The Conversation, The Parallax View, and Three Days of the Condor came out in the same two-year period. Of course, real life made such stories plausible. The infiltration by the FBI and intelligence agencies of left-wing groups was then being revealed, and the Watergate break-in and its cover-up were an actual criminal conspiracy. Within a few decades, the belief that a web of villainous elites was covertly seeking to impose a malevolent global regime made its way from the lunatic right to the mainstream. Delusional conspiracism wouldn't spread quite as widely or as deeply on the left, but more and more people on both sides would come to believe that an extraordinarily powerful cabal—international organizations and think tanks and big businesses and politicians—secretly ran America.

The Reagan presidency was famously a triumph of truthiness and entertainment, and in the 1990s, as problematically batty beliefs kept going mainstream, presidential politics continued merging with the fantasy-industrial complex.

In 1998, as soon as we learned that President Bill Clinton had been fellated by an intern in the West Wing, his popularity spiked. Which was baffling only to those who still thought of politics as an autonomous realm, existing apart from entertainment. American politics happened on television; it was a TV series, a reality show just before TV became glutted with reality shows. A titillating new story line that goosed the ratings of an existing series was an established scripted-TV gimmick. The audience had started getting bored with The Clinton Administration, but the Monica Lewinsky subplot got people interested again.

Just before the Clintons arrived in Washington, the right had managed to do away with the federal Fairness Doctrine, which had been enacted to keep radio and TV shows from being ideologically one-sided. Until then, big-time conservative opinion media had consisted of two magazines, William F. Buckley Jr.'s biweekly National Review and the monthly American Spectator, both with small circulations. But absent a Fairness Doctrine, Rush Limbaugh's national right-wing radio show, launched in 1988, was free to thrive, and others promptly appeared.

I have been paying close attention to Donald Trump for a long time. Spy magazine, which I co-founded in 1986 and edited until 1993, published three cover stories about him—and dozens of pages exposing and ridiculing his lies, brutishness, and absurdity. Now everybody knows what we knew. Donald Trump is a grifter driven by resentment of the establishment. He doesn't like experts, because they interfere with his right as an American to believe or pretend that fictions are facts, to feel the truth. He sees conspiracies everywhere. He exploited the myths of white racial victimhood. His case of what I call Kids R Us syndrome—spoiled, impulsive, moody, a 71-year-old brat—is acute.

He is, first and last, a creature of the fantasy-industrial complex. ”He is P. T. Barnum," his sister, a federal judge, told his biographer Timothy O'Brien in 2005. Although the fantasy-industrial complex had been annexing presidential politics for more than half a century, from JFK through Reagan and beyond, Trump's campaign and presidency are its ultimate expression. From 1967 through 2011, California was governed by former movie actors more than a third of the time, and one of them became president. But Trump's need for any and all public attention always seemed to me more ravenous and insatiable than any other public figure's, akin to an addict's for drugs. Unlike Reagan, Trump was always an impresario as well as a performer. Before the emergence of Fantasyland, Trump's various enterprises would have seemed a ludicrous, embarrassing, incoherent jumble for a businessman, let alone a serious candidate for president. What connects an Islamic-mausoleum-themed casino to a short-lived, shoddy professional football league to an autobiography he didn't write to buildings he didn't build to a mail-order meat business to beauty pageants to an airline that lasted three years to a sham ”university" to a fragrance called Success to a vodka and a board game named after himself to a reality-TV show about pretending to fire people?

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Fuchsdh

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This was a worthwhile read, because while it clearly places blame for our current state of affairs where it belongs, it also acknowledges that the "feelings over facts" sentiment is unfortunately a bipartisan one.

Also, if you ever wanted the hear the lament of a boomer who feels like his generation went off the rails, this is perhaps the most interesting one I've read.
 
This was a worthwhile read, because while it clearly places blame for our current state of affairs where it belongs, it also acknowledges that the "feelings over facts" sentiment is unfortunately a bipartisan one.

Also, if you ever wanted the hear the lament of a boomer who feels like his generation went off the rails, this is perhaps the most interesting one I've read.

That's why the boomers hate us (gen X and millennials). We are trying to kill their lies for the most part, and they are becoming vindictive psychopaths in response.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
the logical confluence of this is america is just like any other country. You're a great country but just like us human troubled issues etc. The rest of the world knows this. I feel its time america did too.
 

Amalthea

Banned
It really was never a good idea of using Enlightment philosophy but also staying hyper-religious. Since most Enlightment philosophers were either atheists or anti-religious it was only natural societies modelled after their ideology would become more secular over time. Except for the US, maybe ironically because European Immigration to America was a convinient way to get some of the fundamentalist sects out of Europe.
 

Monocle

Member
It really was never a good idea of using Enlightment philosophy but also staying hyper-religious. Since most Enlightment philosophers were either atheists or anti-religious it was only natural societies modelled after their ideology would become more secular over time. Except for the US, maybe ironically because European Immigration to America was a convinient way to get some of the fundamentalist sects out of Europe.
I mean yeah, Enlightenment values and religion have many points of direct conflict. Secularism is the logical and apt result of a skeptical mindset.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Reading through the full article now but I'm not fond of the images they used.

Okay just going to quote this now, twice:
The second change was the onset of the new era of information. Digital technology empowers real-seeming fictions of the ideological and religious and scientific kinds. Among the web's 1 billion sites, believers in anything and everything can find thousands of fellow fantasists, with collages of facts and ”facts" to support them. Before the internet, crackpots were mostly isolated, and surely had a harder time remaining convinced of their alternate realities. Now their devoutly believed opinions are all over the airwaves and the web, just like actual news. Now all of the fantasies look real.
The second change was the onset of the new era of information. Digital technology empowers real-seeming fictions of the ideological and religious and scientific kinds. Among the web's 1 billion sites, believers in anything and everything can find thousands of fellow fantasists, with collages of facts and ”facts" to support them. Before the internet, crackpots were mostly isolated, and surely had a harder time remaining convinced of their alternate realities. Now their devoutly believed opinions are all over the airwaves and the web, just like actual news. Now all of the fantasies look real.
I hope people think of this the next time they say the internet has no bearing on real life.
 

Fintan

Member
The editor-in-chief of the Atlantic is Jeffrey Goldberg. He wrote a lot of bogus articles about WMDs and the links between Saddam and Al Qaeda in the run up to the Iraq War. Was very pro invasion. Definitely contributed to this situation.
 
Seems like he's comparing a more general wave of fascination with psuedoscience to a much more specific race and class based refusal of facts.

I dunno, didn't get much from it
 

Amalthea

Banned
I mean yeah, Enlightenment values and religion have many points of direct conflict. Secularism is the logical and apt result of a skeptical mindset.
In a way the Enlightment was a bit too optimistic, since it was made in a time of religious and political opression, the idea of free speech and free thinking was meant to be able to speak, write and think about uncensored facts and that people would naturally start to tend towards rationalism once they wouldn't be surpressed by the church and state. Instead it has caused irrational people in the USA to defend their right to think with their gut and ignore reality, granted by laws based upon Enlightment philosophy.

I mean just look at how many of these people call themselves "rationalists"* despite having a worldview based upon their anger and fears or defend their right to say any stupid shit by pulling that (totally apocryphal btw.) Voltaire quote, who was a man who hated nobody more than people who spoke dumb shit because they feel like it.

*Disclaimer: I seperate those edgelord anti-SJW rationalists from actual rationalists.
 

E-phonk

Banned
Article seems to follow some of the observations Adam Curtis also pointed at in Hypernormalisation.

It's definitly worth reading, just as much as hypernormalisation is worth viewing.
 

_mail

Member
That second image in the OP feels like a huge Both Sides, but let me finish reading

The second image isn't showing modern day protestors, its referencing the article's point on how the counterculture movement begat today's right. Not sure if I agree with his conclusions, but he doesn't seem to be criticizing today's left.
 

E-phonk

Banned
Seems bunk to me, why America and not other places?

There are other places with similar effects, the UK seems to be one of them - but the UK is also famous for having tabloids and "news" magazines that are known to make up stuff, and nobody seems to care about that.
A lot of this is on the media, and even more on the online media that got so obsessed over sales, viewers and clicks that anything is ok as long as it gets viewers/readers in.

Also, watch how Putin uses Surkov's "shapeshifting" as a way to control the media, create talking points and confuse opponents and the general public:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ubluwNkqg

From an article in the Economist about him:

As the political mastermind for Vladimir Putin for most of the 2000s, Mr Surkov engineered a system of make-believe that worked devilishly well in the real world. Russia was a land of imitation political parties, stage-managed media and fake social movements, undergirded by the post-modern sense that nothing was genuine. Mr Surkov called his creation ”sovereign democracy," a term whose vagueness revealed its flexibility.
 
Nice article. And great illustrations.
Yeah, a lot of americans seem to have lost the ability to see a difference between fact and fiction for a while now.

Education should be priority number 1 right now. Factual, decent education.
 
The Atlantic along with The Economist are my favorite journalistic publications.

Their staff changes and additions, Jeffry Goldberg as the EIC etc. Have just had a hugely positive impact on the Atlantic in my opinion. Lately, though they've just been on an entirely different level from many other publications.
 

Xando

Member
Seems bunk to me, why America and not other places?
Exceptionalism.

People are so mindfucked you still get people on TV talking about the greatest country on earth 5 minutes after the president comes out as a nazi.

The truth of the matter is your country isn’t great. No country is especially not if you can’t even provide decent healthcare to your people.

You see the same thing in the UK where you have a part of the population think they’re superior and the european union should bend over to be allowed to do business with them.


Both countries like to think back to past accomplishments instead of concentrating on current events.
 

Aiii

So not worth it
Seems bunk to me, why America and not other places?

Culture mostly, I think. You went balls deep into patriotism during the cold war and its coming back to bite you in the ass. Simply put, I believe a lot of Americans have so much love for their country they are being blinded to its flaws and have no interest in identifying and fixing them, because everything is so great about America.
 
Seems like he's comparing a more general wave of fascination with psuedoscience to a much more specific race and class based refusal of facts.

I dunno, didn't get much from it

Yeah, I don't know that you can really conflate the two as a chronological "how we got here" explanation. I think it works as a general observation of human nature, but not as some A to B narrative of our current predicament.
 

NekoFever

Member
God, I'd forgotten that "reality-based community" line, and that's from an administration that the current one is making people nostalgic for.
 
Culture mostly, I think. You went balls deep into patriotism during the cold war and its coming back to bite you in the ass. Simply put, I believe a lot of Americans have so much love for their country they are being blinded to its flaws and have no interest in identifying and fixing them, because everything is so great about America.

I'd argue that things like "America first", creeping xenophobia and other factors are more economically motivated than culture really. It's sadly entrenching itself as a part of the culture. But it's a symptom. It's not so much about such great love for America. It's about such great love for themselves. "Me and mine".

Then again I'd describe myself as a Democratic socialist. So I'm really not the kind of person that could really answer the questions on biggest motivating factors.

Seems bunk to me, why America and not other places?

It's also not just America by any stretch, not even close. That's just the focus on the article and we tend to get far more coverage from media internationally for obvious reasons.
 

Xando

Member
I'd argue that things like "America first", creeping xenophobia and other factors are more economically motivated than culture really. It's sadly entrenching itself as a part of the culture. But it's a symptom. It's not so much about such great love for America. It's about such great love for themselves. "Me and mine".

Then again I'd describe myself as a Democratic socialist. So I'm really not the kind of person that could really answer the questions on biggest motivating factors.

It's also not just America by any stretch, not even close. That's just the focus on the article and we tend to get far more coverage from media internationally for obvious reasons.
America first and xenophobia are direct result of the collective superiority complex american culture has.
No matter what happens america is always the greatest country on earth and therefore better than everyone else.

Other countries have it but not in these dimensions.
 

zer0das

Banned
I feel like this is largely ignoring how quickly the Republican party spiraled down the drain in the last decade. McCain having Palin as his VP was the seminal event that legitimized the part of the party that was absolutely bonkers and gave them enough leverage to slowly hijack the entire party.

Bush being wrong about WMDs practically looks well intentioned in comparison.
 

Apt101

Member
I'm torn. I want to support news outlets like Atlantic, but I already subscribe to my local paper (online option) and there's only so much time in a day to read news. I may just sub to both.
 

deadbeef

Member
The author of this article discussed it with the editors at The Atlantic on the latest Radio Atlantic podcast, if you don't want to read the very long article but want to get a sense of what it's about directly from the author.
 

disco

Member
Article seems to follow some of the observations Adam Curtis also pointed at in Hypernormalisation.

It's definitly worth reading, just as much as hypernormalisation is worth viewing.

My first thoughts too! But one must be careful to not completely disregard the deconstruction of mythical romantic Truth. The idea of grand narratives/Truth brought with it much ignorance - but of course to level everything is completely destructive. I feel our world has little dynamism anymore now the superstructure seems to have fallen down. Our main goals should be the sheer continuation of living - and in that, shoring up the things that really matter in our short little lives on this earth and preserving those for the lives of our children, i.e. climate fucking change, ensuring people have food to eat and are not killing one another. ! These very Realpolitik issues should be the crucial things we should be dealing with right now. Prior to Trump/Brexit, it felt like these goals were slowly being solved...
 
Why America? Because it is furthest down the money politics road.
Money politics turbocharges political ideas, no longer are new ideas developed mostly out of sight by an educated, stable, group, now the cash and potential rewards boost any stupid idea and judge them only by how many people they suck in.
So we get swift boating and Hillary emails and Benghazi and stupidity and Roger Stone who simply invents whatever smear resonates the best and Wikileaks helping people invent new ones each day. Trump is the mess taken to an insane level.
 

Fantastapotamus

Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” A third of us believe not only that global warming is no big deal but that it’s a hoax perpetrated by scientists, the government, and journalists. Almost a quarter believe that vaccines cause autism, and that Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2016. A quarter believe that our previous president maybe or definitely was (or is?) the anti-Christ. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, 15 percent believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” and another 15 percent think that’s possible. A quarter of Americans believe in witches.

Insanity. Just......insanity
 
the minimum vote in some of these polls with just two choices that you'd expect to be 95-5 can be about 15-20% because a significant chunk of people just choose randomly or troll or do it for the lulz
 

G.ZZZ

Member
America's own myth, is all based on the dream of invidualism being an equalizer, the ultimate form of democracy, when in fact it is not, and has never been. The ability to succeed has always been a reality only when it, as a society, had a mentality for the whole, born from the recognization of the difficulties of life and compassion toward the lost. The moment we forget that society exist to give possibilities , and we succeed because of it and not despite it, is the moment it will collapse. Because society is a contract, and if people don't stand by it, it simply can't exist. Because the odds we succeed against, are not posed by society, but diminished by it. Because taxes are not the reasons you're not rich, taxes are the reason you're not poor. Because the idea itself of self-responsibility being the ultimate justice is the same idea in which people are defined by their class and nothing else. Because perception is reality, science is dogma, and faith is truth.
 

Lowmelody

Member
The baby boomers went on a selfish introspective trip and never returned, displacing all areas of proceeding generations. They are the 'me' generation they project on to millennials whom suffer the most from their total and complete abdication of accountability.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Reading through the full article now but I'm not fond of the images they used.

Okay just going to quote this now, twice:


I hope people think of this the next time they say the internet has no bearing on real life.

Do people still say this in this day and age? Sure maybe that was true back in 1993 when almost no one had and an internet connection, but 3.5 billion people use the internet every day now. That's half the global population.
 
The baby boomers went on a selfish introspective trip and never returned, displacing all areas of proceeding generations. They are the 'me' generation they project on to millennials whom suffer the most from their total and complete abdication of accountability.

This is exactly what happened.
 

Kayhan

Member
The baby boomers went on a selfish introspective trip and never returned, displacing all areas of proceeding generations. They are the 'me' generation they project on to millennials whom suffer the most from their total and complete abdication of accountability.

This post is more on the money and succinct than the article.

They blew up the future for their kids and grandkids.
 

EGM1966

Member
Seems bunk to me, why America and not other places?
Gut reaction?

The article is specific to US and certain cultural elements thereof. Don't worry though the same core element is happening elsewhere as the effect of boomer generation, internet, mistrust of science and other factors are common: the US just has some cultural elements that accerbate the problem.
 

N7.Angel

Member
Culture mostly, I think. You went balls deep into patriotism during the cold war and its coming back to bite you in the ass. Simply put, I believe a lot of Americans have so much love for their country they are being blinded to its flaws and have no interest in identifying and fixing them, because everything is so great about America.

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Kill3r7

Member
It's a well written piece but I disagree that the post truth world started in the 60s. It has existed for as long as mankind has been around. Humanity throughout history has shown a propensity to turn to religion, conspiracies and the supernatural to explain our existence and the unknown. What we have today with Trump is the culmination of decades of people on the fringe having their crazy ideas reinforced and embraced. Add the fringe to the base, account for lower voter turnout, and all of a sudden you have enough votes for the Orange turd to win.
 
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