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How do we trust the opinions of influencers and games media when they receive freebies and perks from the companies they talk about?
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lock2k
Banned
Why would you even watch any of these?
Just wait for the consoles to drop and try them yourself.
Trust no one.
I don't think I'll ever understand this influencer thing, maybe I'm old Grandpa Simpson but I just don't care about what random people made famous by YouTube think.
Just wait for the consoles to drop and try them yourself.
Trust no one.
I don't think I'll ever understand this influencer thing, maybe I'm old Grandpa Simpson but I just don't care about what random people made famous by YouTube think.
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LeftThumbstick
Member
I guess we can't trust the reviewers who didn't recieve one as you could just blindly accuse them of being bitter about it, therefor any bad review from a non-gifted reviewer should also be null and void.
I'd like to think that most of the people who recieve these items before the general public value their reputation as a public person, in their job in the gaming industry and want people to trust them in general. Why would these people risk their future chances of getting more stuff by blatantly being corrupt and bought? Do you have any prior evidence or actual visible proof that these people just accepted to destroy their credibility?
I see a lot of people on here complain about SJW this and that, cancel culture is BAD!!!!!!!, but then what is this if not an attempt to cancel and destroy peoples careers with absolutely no proof? The only thing that made you want to do this thread is because you like PlayStation more. One look inside the Speculation thread will tell you that.
I look forward to you making the same thread for the PS5 when the same inevitably happens. (we wont see a PS thread though.).
I'd like to think that most of the people who recieve these items before the general public value their reputation as a public person, in their job in the gaming industry and want people to trust them in general. Why would these people risk their future chances of getting more stuff by blatantly being corrupt and bought? Do you have any prior evidence or actual visible proof that these people just accepted to destroy their credibility?
I see a lot of people on here complain about SJW this and that, cancel culture is BAD!!!!!!!, but then what is this if not an attempt to cancel and destroy peoples careers with absolutely no proof? The only thing that made you want to do this thread is because you like PlayStation more. One look inside the Speculation thread will tell you that.
I look forward to you making the same thread for the PS5 when the same inevitably happens. (we wont see a PS thread though.).
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Salt thread because no PS5's in the wild?
TranscendentDee
Member
I don't see the big deal because this happens with everything especially tech and phones. Influencers and reviewers get them early and give their take on it. You just have to see things objectively and fact check what they say.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Smash that like button and hit subscribe for more quality contents like this.
I'm just joking
Get with the times dude, it’s sponsoring now too. Most channels are like intros to Futurama these days!
VincentMatts
Member
Somehow I doubt this thread would even exist if you replaced the Xboxes with ps5s.
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
To be fair, the "common man" doesn´t need 15 minutes of fame to be awful and useless (except for fulfilling lesser tasks, but that would get too OT in this thread).
Coloress_Kafka
Member
I treat influencers like porn stars, I’m only there to watch them perform their tricks and then when I close the tab I don’t give them a second thought.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
This has been going on for decades and you're only just now concerned? 
The general question's a valid one, but the way I see it, unless these individuals are letting these perks from the companies actively influence their impressions to the point of sending out a clear bias that is harmful to brands and products not affiliated with the companies that give them this type of access (especially if those other companies are considered rivals)...then it's okay.
Influencers can get in on their perks and whatnot and still be genuine in their opinions when discussing products from companies who aren't hooking them up with access. Although for some, like Geoff, maybe it's a bit harder to actually do such a thing. FWIW, though, I hope you keep this same energy when Sony starts to roll out PS5s to many if not all of these same tech and gaming influencers, like they already are with vTubers in Japan.
If we're going to bring this stuff up in terms of how it may (or may not) affect messaging from notable figures in the industry in engagement with the larger gaming population, then we should do it at every turn, not just selectively. But like I said, as long as these influencers are transparent in stating how the access to these perks are provided, they don't break NDA, and they don't let this type of stuff affect their wider gaming opinions, judgement, and discourse....then I think it aught to be okay.
The general question's a valid one, but the way I see it, unless these individuals are letting these perks from the companies actively influence their impressions to the point of sending out a clear bias that is harmful to brands and products not affiliated with the companies that give them this type of access (especially if those other companies are considered rivals)...then it's okay.
Influencers can get in on their perks and whatnot and still be genuine in their opinions when discussing products from companies who aren't hooking them up with access. Although for some, like Geoff, maybe it's a bit harder to actually do such a thing. FWIW, though, I hope you keep this same energy when Sony starts to roll out PS5s to many if not all of these same tech and gaming influencers, like they already are with vTubers in Japan.
If we're going to bring this stuff up in terms of how it may (or may not) affect messaging from notable figures in the industry in engagement with the larger gaming population, then we should do it at every turn, not just selectively. But like I said, as long as these influencers are transparent in stating how the access to these perks are provided, they don't break NDA, and they don't let this type of stuff affect their wider gaming opinions, judgement, and discourse....then I think it aught to be okay.
7DeadleeScenes
Neo Member
i thought these units were prototype units just for preview. I dont think they gave it to them. I could be wrong here.
sircaw
Banned
This is a really poor way of looking about it, this goes the same if they got a shinny new ps5.
Its the whole industry we are talking about not just your " i cheer for all things no matter what Phil corner"
PS5 inspection by youtubers this weekend
www.express.co.uk
Does anybody change his opinion now?
Sony giving PlayStation fans a closer look at the PS5 this weekend
SONY are giving PlayStation fans a closer look at the PS5 this weekend, with a number of YouTubers set to share their hands-on experience with the next-gen console. Here's what you need to know.
www.express.co.uk
Does anybody change his opinion now?
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Not sure what you’re after OP. Most people are agreeing and telling you to be aware/ignore them and you’re responding with “but not everyone realises”. It’s pretty par for course; you can try and inform people but there’s always going to be the majority who go in uninformed cause at the end of the day, they don’t care and they don’t need to. People who go on game forums will know better and casuals won’t, just like any other electronic hobby. No point worrying about it.
This is nothing new, though.
This has existed for decades. It is just the people that show off their freebies has changed. No longer is it professional media outlets but 'influencers'.
The media has always had to tread carefully if it wants access to the latest scoops. If you majorly piss off Sony are they going to invite you to the PS2 launch and give you all the exciting news to put on your magazine cover? Nope.
So are these 'influencers' going to behave the same way? Yep.
Where magazines wanted to sell copies, these people want to sell views.
This has existed for decades. It is just the people that show off their freebies has changed. No longer is it professional media outlets but 'influencers'.
The media has always had to tread carefully if it wants access to the latest scoops. If you majorly piss off Sony are they going to invite you to the PS2 launch and give you all the exciting news to put on your magazine cover? Nope.
So are these 'influencers' going to behave the same way? Yep.
Where magazines wanted to sell copies, these people want to sell views.
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
PS5 inspection by youtubers this weekend
Sony giving PlayStation fans a closer look at the PS5 this weekend
SONY are giving PlayStation fans a closer look at the PS5 this weekend, with a number of YouTubers set to share their hands-on experience with the next-gen console. Here's what you need to know.
Does anybody change his opinion now?
No, why should anyone?
Fbh
Member
You can't. So what?. It's just videgames man, and unless they are spreading actual lies about the hardware or software then they are entitled to their opinions no matter what the motivation behind them might be.
Besides, this is one of the reasons why instead of following "reviewers" or "influencers" in general you should be finding and following specific people you like and tend to agree with.
Besides, this is one of the reasons why instead of following "reviewers" or "influencers" in general you should be finding and following specific people you like and tend to agree with.
FunkMiller
Member
FunkMiller
Member
Can’t speak for anybody else, but the only thing I’ll take away from their footage will be whatever they show, not their opinions.
The same holds true for Msft or Sony.
Though Msft are clearly more happy to provide free consoles. Sony being a bit penny pinching maybe, or just not as invested in the influencer culture. Don’t know.
FunkMiller
Member
How can we trust the OP, what exactly are his motives in all this *puts on tinfoil hat*
I am deeply untrustworthy.
FunkMiller
Member
BTW... all you Xbox console warriors who think I’ve only posted this out of some idiotic desire to stoke console war flames... go and read through my posts. I don’t care about your silly little conflict. I‘m far too old to playing baby games about which plastic box is better. I will and do, say the same damn thing about people shilling for Sony.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Me when I see those smiling F*** faces in the Thumbnail picture.
Never trust anyone who gets shit for free especially those youtubers.
I learned this shit years ago when the COD*****suckers pretended how awesome the next COD game will be.
That's why i don't trust Digital Foundry anymore.
Nxgamer on the others side buys most of his shit with his own money and he has real Job on the top.
Never trust anyone who gets shit for free especially those youtubers.
I learned this shit years ago when the COD*****suckers pretended how awesome the next COD game will be.
That's why i don't trust Digital Foundry anymore.
Nxgamer on the others side buys most of his shit with his own money and he has real Job on the top.
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Oida di Figgiano
Banned
And even if people are buying their own stuff and make youtube videos, blogs, etc. They still follow their own agenda and have their goals they trying to acchieve, thus they won´t be unbiased. Those things are the downsides of freedom of speech and a necessary evil as long as it (fos) gets valued.
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Thanks batman
FreedomOfSpeech
Banned
Anyone listening to someone who calls themselves 'an influencer' is what I call 'an idiot'.
Stuart360
Member
Well simply you dont. None of them are trustworthy. Even the likes of CohhCarnage, who come accross as straight as they come, are not trustworthy. Cohh has blasted Epic many times in the past over their moneyhatting tactics, and he's now a Epic partner and tries to backtrack whenever its brought up in his chat.
Its nice to se what they say about things, but never take it as face value.
Its nice to se what they say about things, but never take it as face value.
is there a video up?
Not yet, just a simple post. I think the embargo's on the second group of people hasn't lifted yet.
martino
Member
You're clearly not a warrior but people criticizing the timing and choice of content to debate this opinion are all Xbox warriors....
I gave a far better example of a nonsencial perks gave to reviewer in comparison to sending hardware for it to be tested...but I'm sure you didn't even know it existed or it didn't bothered you at the time.
you mean like how OP's opinion is illustrated.
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II_JumPeR_I
Member
I dont trust this fuckers at all...there is no how
Pallas
Member
That’s good, you should trust your own instincts and guts, but let’s not pretend this is something new. lol
Orta
Banned
I dismiss 99% of reviewers opinions but these fucking 'influencers' preaching to us boils my blood.
Like I really give a toss what some 21 year old wannabe softcore porn star with DD tits has to say about the complexity and nuances of Doom Eternal's combat system. Fuck off.
Like I really give a toss what some 21 year old wannabe softcore porn star with DD tits has to say about the complexity and nuances of Doom Eternal's combat system. Fuck off.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Just asking the question because the OP only used the Series X as an example. To the general point though, all types of products are marketed this way and of course you should not view them as honest endorsements.
Trogdor1123
Member
We shouldn't trust one, just like with your news you should get several sources that are different to get the full story.
martino
Member
Seeing the thread e-celeb being present in games is also a good example of something that we could question.
The trend seems to slowly shape (death trending, now cyberpunk)
Imo it's not the same thing at all than when it's actors.
Here the faces are only use to influence there is no act part.
The trend seems to slowly shape (death trending, now cyberpunk)
Imo it's not the same thing at all than when it's actors.
Here the faces are only use to influence there is no act part.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
There are many of these videos about now, but here’s just three.
Alannah Pearce:
Lamarr Wilson:
YongYea:
So... how exactly do we trust anything that people like this say?
Now, they may claim to not be reviewers, and to not be biased, and that they are just ‘fans’ ... but it’s utterly disingenuous to claim that these influencers don’t - you know, influence - the buying habits of the general public. That’s why Msft have sent them XBox Series Xs.
How do any of them remain objective? How can any of them be critical in any way, when they get all this lovely free stuff for remaining positive? How can any of us believe anything they say about the products they’ve been gifted?
You might think it’s all fine. No problem at all.
I think this is the kind of poisonous stuff that makes the video games industry far worse than it needs to be.
Edit: I assumed this would go without saying, but apparently not: I know full well not to trust these people... but there are many others who don’t know that. That’s where the problem lies.
so when they get their free playstation it will be fine?
turtlepowa
Banned
It's pretty simple, you just have to answer two questions:
1. Sony related?
2. Positive?
If you answer boths questions with yes, there is absolutely no bias and they are on nobodys payroll. If you answer 2. with no or 1. with no and 2. with yes, they are biased and on somebodys payroll.
1. Sony related?
2. Positive?
If you answer boths questions with yes, there is absolutely no bias and they are on nobodys payroll. If you answer 2. with no or 1. with no and 2. with yes, they are biased and on somebodys payroll.
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Plague Doctor
Member
Skepticism is the healthiest virtue of being a consumer. Be as skeptical as you can be.
Companies will take any edge they can to market a product. Literally any.
Do your own research and make informed decisions.
Companies will take any edge they can to market a product. Literally any.
Do your own research and make informed decisions.
sircaw
Banned
If you did not know, the op wants to buy an Xbox. He is one of the few guys on this forum that has been very pleased about what xbox has been showing in the last few weeks/month.
He is a real consumer, he wants to get the best product for himself.
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SirTerry-T
Member
I don't think those "reviewers" are being given those XSX units to keep are they? I thought that guy from the Verge mentioned that they keep them for a set amount of days?