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How does the PS3 handle resolution scaling?
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sooperkool
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Geoff9920 said:
Not necessarily, My Mits is only 2.5 years old and can't handle 720p and won't upscale it.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
XBR960 is Sony's CRT HDTV - generally accepted as the best tube TV ever made. I think you misinterpreted what he said.Pimpbaa said:
The correct joke would be - Don't hug it too hard, it might give you brain tumor!
Beer Monkey
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Onix said:
All you are doing is deciding to have the TV do the 720p->1080i conversion instead of having the 360 conversion do the exact same thing. Either way, the original source (with over 95% of the 360 games) is a 720p frame buffer and the final display is a 1080i rasterization.
sooperkool
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Everytime you post Onix your SP3 makes me jealous ! Damn, I need to get one for some serious 2 channel....
Stinkles said:
It was just an offhand estimate. Still the point holds. I mean, we're not only talking about the subset of gamers who own high definition displays, but the subset of that subset (a really really ****ing small subset) who have televisions that only do 1080i. Actually it's really the subset of that subset of a subset who will actually be able to get a PS3 any time soon.
So uh. Yeah.
Beer Monkey
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Onix said:
So why are you telling a member that has a native 1080i CRT to feed it 720p to reduce artifacts?
DenogginizerOS
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Onix said:
I must be missing these on mine. When I run 60FPS content on my CRT HDTV, it looks incredible.
I have a panasonic tube tv that does not accept 720p. I was not planing on geting a PS3 right away but I still wanted one. Know it seems that they need a firmware update or all games to render in 1080i. It's crazy that games will look better on my 360 by default because they will be in HD.
See here's the thing...
Obviously, poor loser saps like me, who paid $2200 for a 48" Widescreen Mitusbishi 480i/480p/1080i TV, 3.5 years ago, suck at life and cannot afford a superior TV.
Idiots like myself should have done more research before I laid down that kind of cash. Screw the fact that 720p was in its infancy and only found on TV sets that cost $7000 or more at the time. Screw the fact that HDMi and DVI were not even around. Its called technology and us bunch of dumbasses should just lay down in the road and accept the fact that TV technology changes every few years, rendering our expensive purchases a few short years ago, completely obselete.
Apparently, people like me are just one step away from being homeless bums if we cannot afford to lay down $2000+ for a TV every few years.
Stop blaming Sony... its all our fault.
Oh.... and when you upgrade... do them a favor and buy a Sony TV. After all, that is the master plan.
Obviously, poor loser saps like me, who paid $2200 for a 48" Widescreen Mitusbishi 480i/480p/1080i TV, 3.5 years ago, suck at life and cannot afford a superior TV.
Idiots like myself should have done more research before I laid down that kind of cash. Screw the fact that 720p was in its infancy and only found on TV sets that cost $7000 or more at the time. Screw the fact that HDMi and DVI were not even around. Its called technology and us bunch of dumbasses should just lay down in the road and accept the fact that TV technology changes every few years, rendering our expensive purchases a few short years ago, completely obselete.
Apparently, people like me are just one step away from being homeless bums if we cannot afford to lay down $2000+ for a TV every few years.
Stop blaming Sony... its all our fault.
Oh.... and when you upgrade... do them a favor and buy a Sony TV. After all, that is the master plan.
Crazymoogle
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Bebpo said:
What if you set custom (which lets you flag compatible resolutions)?
I know my TV upscales 720p content to 1080i, but it's the first Sony RPTV to do it I believe (it's a WS520, the WS510 (previous year's model) downrez it to 480p). It was one of the issues I looked at when I was researching it. My TV is only about a year and a half old, so a lot of people are going to get screwed.
don't know if this is in here, but the ps3 also doesn't auto detect the video signal...for instance if you have your ps3 set to 1080p and decide to bring it to a buddy's house that has a sd tv..you won't get an image on the screen. Well that is according to yahoo..anybody confirm?
bill0527 said:
To be honest, the overall TV manufacturing group as well as the government, etc. are to blame for this mess.
No one enforced unified terminology for defining an HD TV. Technically, to be a HD or HD-Ready TV you MUST accept 1080i AND 720p. The problem is, many TV's claimed to be HD when they technically were not.
It is really sad that none of this was taken care of back in the day.
btrboyev said:
Would be nicer if it was automatic, but this is the workaround for it :
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/videooutput.html
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# If the video output settings do not match those required for the TV in use, the screen may go blank when the resolution is changed. The screen should, however, automatically go back to its original resolution after a while. If the screen remains blank for more than 30 seconds, turn off the system. Then touch the power button on the system front for at least five seconds to turn the system on again. The video output settings will automatically be reset to the standard resolution.
So essentially, Sony put scaler into the PS3 that is inferior to the 360's (at least if it's not fixable by firmware). Depending on the scaler of your TV, this could be a poor option, as poor scalers sometimes introduce lag. This does put another (possibly minor) mark against the system. Again, if your device is 720p only, this has no affect on you.
One thing that's funny about this discovery is that the 360 is more "1080p" than the PS3...
One thing that's funny about this discovery is that the 360 is more "1080p" than the PS3...
manngc said:
It kind of cuts both ways ...
MS's scaler is nice in that is has little/no lag since it is handled in the analog domain. However, it has the disadvantage of not allowing a digital output.
Unfortunately, MS is going to run into the same issues if they release a HDMI 360.
A dedicated digital scaler may cost more ... and can introduce lag if you make it full-featured.
I'm not sure there is a good solution for this.
akachan ningen
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In my CRT HDTV's manual, under the HDMI specs, it says the suggested scan rates are 480p/i, 1080i, and 720p. I bought it a few weeks ago, and it was manufactured this year. Even so, will Resistance be shown in 480p?
Philthy
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Andonuts said:
Depends on how you look at it. 5% of total PS3 owners, maybe. 5% of HDTV owners who own a PS3, not likely. Almost all first, and most second gen HDTVs did not support 720p. That is a LOT of HDTVs. The fact that you could probably still find sets out there today that still don't take 720p leads me to believe the number is going to be quite huge.
Ah, that definitely could be it. A digital upscalar many be very...wait a sec. Don't really cheap DVD players have an upscaler? I don't buy the expensive excuse then. MS most likely won't introduce HDMI until the core unit is modified similar to that of the PSTwo. I don't believe the demand for HDMI is quite warranted at this point in time.Onix said:
akachan ningen said:
You should be fine. Now how good the scaler in your HDTV is another issue.
The rude awakening for some PS3 and HDTV display owners will come from the quality of their sets scaler. I think for most people when purchasing a set, the question of how good the scaler is never comes up or considered.
My guess is that people that bought super cheap off brand displays are at a much higher risk of a less than ideal image quality. Manufactures cut corners, to get the price lower, and a scaler is going to be one of those things that might have corners cut.
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