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How does the PS3 handle resolution scaling?

I checked out my 1080i TV's manual more carefully. It says 480p mode is only for 480p sources. All other signals are scaled to 1080i. The manual says 720p is acceptable through HDMI. Is this a feature in newer CRT HDTV's? Because mine is pretty new. Toshiba MD30H82
 
JCBossman said:
I AM EXPLICTLY saying in my opinion, at some point Sony is going to limit EVEN ANALOG to 540, the format is "shit" to Sony even though they developed it, what did it cost a few hundred million? Thats the cost of ONE of thier NEW Blockbuster Movies...Chump Change Developing Blu-Ray, but to Protect those MANY New 200+Million dollar movie sales priceless...

Sony doesn't 'own' BluRay. They can't just break the BluRay specification at will.

It is up to the studios to enact either of the 'tokens'.




Are you implying Sony is going to override the studios, and limit BluRay output on the PS3 to 480p over analog?
 
JCBossman said:
I AM EXPLICTLY saying in my opinion, at some point Sony is going to limit EVEN ANALOG to 540, the format is "shit" to Sony even though they developed it, what did it cost a few hundred million? Thats the cost of ONE of thier NEW Blockbuster Movies...Chump Change Developing Blu-Ray, but to Protect those MANY New 200+Million dollar movie sales priceless...
I do not doubt that Sony has vested interest in HDCP, but what the hell does it have to do with not having a VGA or a built in scaler?
 
akachan ningen said:
I checked out my 1080i TV's manual more carefully. It says 480p mode is only for 480p sources. All other signals are scaled to 1080i. The manual says 720p is acceptable through HDMI. Is this a feature in newer CRT HDTV's? Because mine is pretty new. Toshiba MD30H82

The vast majority of CRT HDTV's have had processor to accept 720p for a number of years.

To be honest, TV's that don't accept 720p aren't even technically HD ... but they were allowed to be made and improperly marketed anyway. This never happened in Europe.
 
Chichikov said:
I do not doubt that Sony has vested interest in HDCP, but what the hell does it have to do with not having a VGA or a built in scaler?

Just for everyone's info ...

... HDCP is actually owned by Intel.




(it is licensed through Digital Content Protection, LLC, a subsidiary of Intel)
 
I don't know the specifics, but I BELIEVE any of the member studios can implement the "token" if they feel thier movies are getting pirated, Sony is smart they realised that DVD was broken(No shit, Dvd Decrypter Anyone) and they needed a NEW protection Scheme for thier IP so they went with this New well protected Blue-Ray/HDMI combo,the Pirate Buster Duo!
 
Onix said:
The vast majority of CRT HDTV's have had processor to accept 720p for a number of years.

To be honest, TV's that don't accept 720p aren't even technically HD ... but they were allowed to be made and improperly marketed anyway. This never happened in Europe.


You know Sony is the main pioneer of 1080i. They pushed hard for the standard along with NHK of Japan. Sony championed 1080i.


Your logic is saying that all the CRT HD TV's sold in Japan aren't really HD and thats false. HD broadcast have been in 1080i in Japan for a long time now.
 
JCBossman said:
I don't know the specifics, but I BELIEVE any of the member studios can implement the "token" if they feel thier movies are getting pirated, Sony is smart they realised that DVD was broken(No shit, Dvd Decrypter Anyone) and they needed a NEW protection Scheme for thier IP so they went with this New well protected Blue-Ray/HDMI combo,the Pirate Buster Duo!

You do realize that this token also applies to HD-DVD as well.
 
The Toshiba 34HF83's design packs a visual wallop. From its stylish chassis to its flat picture tube, the 34HF83 is a beautiful television, with excellent image quality to boot.

From a features standpoint, the 34HF83's specifications are similar to those of the other TVs we reviewed. For inputs, it has two RF (cable), two component, and three composite connections. If DVDs are your main source of widescreen material, you'll appreciate the 34HF83's Cinema Mode (3:2 pulldown) circuitry (see the "Most Wanted Features" sidebar in this article for an explanation of 3:2 pulldown circuitry). This modifies the frame sequence for film-based videos and converts them to a more accurate reproduction. The result is a reduction in digital artifacts and a crisper image.

The 34HF83 also features Toshiba's CrystalScan HDSC technology. This converts lower-resolution content to a 1080i format. A common complaint from new HDTV owners is how awful standard definition television looks on their new HDTVs. It's not that their sets are defective; they're simply displaying a low-resolution image. Upconverting content to 1080i attempts to alleviate this (as much as possible). Although you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, upconverting does improve the picture quality. In addition, the 34HF83 can accept 720p HD content, displayed at a resolution of 1080i.

Like most of the TVs we reviewed, the 34HF83's speaker system was nothing to write home about. Because Dolby Digital 5.1 is the preferred sound format for HD, as well as for most DVDs, you're better off using a surround sound system rather than Toshiba's internal speakers.

The 34HF83 really shines in terms of its picture quality. Though not the best of the TVs we reviewed, we were consistently impressed with how well the 34HF83 displayed both SD and HD content. The 34HF83 had good color fidelity right out of the box, and its image sharpness and clarity were excellent. The 34HF83 features three color temperature settings (Warm/ Medium/Cool) that let you adjust the set's color temperature. Whether you watch HD shows, DVDs, or SD broadcasts, you won't be disappointed with the 34HF83.

Just wanted to confirm 1 more time... So I'm good right? Do I set the PS3 for 1080i still?
 
JCBossman said:
I don't know the specifics, but I BELIEVE any of the member studios can implement the "token" if they feel thier movies are getting pirated,

Again ... what are you implying?

That Sony Electronics/CE will force Sony Picture Studios to enact ICT of DOT?

First off, that isn't Sony Electronics/CE call. Secondly, I don't think any studio wants to be the first one to do this.

Sony is smart they realised that DVD was broken(No shit, Dvd Decrypter Anyone) and they needed a NEW protection Scheme for thier IP so they went with this New well protected Blue-Ray/HDMI combo,the Pirate Buster Duo!


Why do you keep acting like it is only Sony? All the studios mandated that HDCP and AACS be used on ALL NEXT-GEN MOVIE PLATFORMS.

None of them have given any indication they will enact ICT or DOT in the near future.
 
LJ11 said:
You do realize that this token also applies to HD-DVD as well.

Sure, But what does Microsoft Care, Steal Video,Steal Music for all we care; we don't make it, we don't sell it ...so who cares....Now software is a different matter:)
 
Brimstone said:
Your logic is saying that all the CRT HD TV's sold in Japan aren't really HD and thats false. HD broadcast have been in 1080i in Japan for a long time now.

Japan had their own early standards, that is true.


I'm referring to the US. The HD standards the government decided on for broadcast where decided long ago.

To technically be a HD monitor, you have to support 1080i/720p ... to be a HDTV, you have to do that as well as have an internal HD tuner.



Another interesting fact is that the vast majority of '1080i' CRT TV's can't even display a full 1080i image.
 
Tabris said:
Just wanted to confirm 1 more time... So I'm good right? Do I set the PS3 for 1080i still?

Until they fix the automatic adjustment mode for resolutions ...

... set the PS3 to 720p for 720p games, and 1080i for 1080p games.
 
I am NOT trying to say this is JUST Sony, but Warner Bros. isn't coming out with a "Locked down" game console...if you get my drift...
 
JCBossman said:
Sure, But what does Microsoft Care, Steal Video,Steal Music for all we care; we don't make it, we don't sell it ...so who cares....Now software is a different matter:)

MS doesn't own HD-DVD.

Sony doesn't own BluRay.

Neither own HDMI ... nor HDCP.
 
JCBossman said:
I am NOT trying to say this is JUST Sony, but Warner Bros. isn't coming out with a "Locked down" game console...if you get my drift...

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!!?



WHAT IS LOCKED DOWN AT ALL ON THE PS3?
 
For those you who say your TV can't accept 720P how do you watch shows from channels such as ABC HD which broadcasts pretty much exclusively in 720P? I think most of you are confused about your TV's output capability and your TV's ability to accept different resolutions. My TV accepts 720P signal but can't display it. It upscales it to 1080I.
 
JCBossman said:
Sure, But what does Microsoft Care, Steal Video,Steal Music for all we care; we don't make it, we don't sell it ...so who cares....Now software is a different matter:)

If the token is on then you won't get any HD video over component.

Columbo needs to get his facts checked.
 
ypo said:
For those you who say your TV can't accept 720P how do you watch shows from channels such as ABC HD which broadcasts pretty much exclusively in 720P? I think most of you are confused about your TV's output capability and your TV's ability to accept different resolutions. My TV accepts 720P signal but can't display it. It upscales it to 1080I.

They probably have cable or satellite ... the boxes have scalers in them.
 
ypo said:
For those you who say your TV can't accept 720P how do you watch shows from channels such as ABC HD which broadcasts pretty much exclusively in 720P? I think most of you are confused about your TV's output capability and your TV's ability to accept different resolutions. My TV accepts 720P signal but can't display it. It upscales it to 1080I.

My HDTV cable box allows me to set my resolution and it scales it accordingly.

I've even seen some cable boxes that have a set scaler in them that doesn't even give you the option. It just simply scales everything to 1080i.
 
ypo said:
For those you who say your TV can't accept 720P how do you watch shows from channels such as ABC HD which broadcasts pretty much exclusively in 720P? I think most of you are confused about your TV's output capability and your TV's ability to accept different resolutions. My TV accepts 720P signal but can't display it. It upscales it to 1080I.

I get all the basic HD networks from LA over the air. I'm assuming the picture is 1080i because it looks a hell of a lot sharper than when I watch 480p DVDs. Does that mean my TV is fine for PS3?
 
akachan ningen said:
I get all the basic HD networks from LA over the air. I'm assuming the picture is 1080i because it looks a hell of a lot sharper than when I watch 480p DVDs. Does that mean my TV is fine for PS3?

Can you look up the make and model of your TV?
 
LJ11 said:
If the token is on then you won't get any HD video over component.

Columbo needs to get his facts checked.

Don't be Stupid...Sony TODAY could give me a PS3 that could play ANY BLu-Ray movie FOREVER with No RESTRICTIONS...after all they OWN the hidden Privacy keys for Blu-Ray and Hdmi, All I'm saying is that OWNERS oF Content(SONY) but NOT Microsoft get crazy to protect their investment, you can't blame them, BTW Sony pictures is Pretty important to Sony as a Whole, so if they say to Another of their divisions that they are getting KILLED by Chienese Pirates, WHAM...LOCK Down time, as far as the 360, as long as the game discs are secure, MS could care less, what movie you watch(stolen or not) at 1080P (and they will let you with Component and VGA)
 
akachan ningen said:
Where did you find that review?

It was on the first page of my google search for "Toshiba 34HF83 720p". Not sure which exactly anymore. Just google yours with "Toshiba Model# 720p" and you should find out pretty quick whether your TV accepts 720p or not.
 
JCBossman said:
Don't be Stupid...Sony TODAY could give me a PS3 that could play ANY BLu-Ray movie FOREVER with No RESTRICTIONS...after all they OWN the hidden Privacy keys for Blu-Ray and Hdmi,

I stopped reading right there because you've ignored Onix's posts. I'm not going to derail this thread any further.
 
JCBossman said:
Don't be Stupid...Sony TODAY could give me a PS3 that could play ANY BLu-Ray movie FOREVER with No RESTRICTIONS...

Really? I'm pretty sure they would be sued by the studios and other BluRay members for breaking the BluRay spec.

after all they OWN the hidden Privacy keys for Blu-Ray and Hdmi,

:lol You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Sony didn't make HDMI ... but that doesn't matter - because it doesn't have security. HDCP does, but it has nothing to do with resolutions.

The ICT and DOT are enacted on a per title basis by the studios ... and the actual enforcement of the tokens is by the AACS security layer that Sony does not own.

All I'm saying is that OWNERS oF Content(SONY) but NOT Microsoft get crazy to protect their investment, you can't blame them, BTW Sony pictures is Pretty important to Sony as a Whole, so if they say to Another of their divisions that they are getting KILLED by Chienese Pirates, WHAM...LOCK Down time, as far as the 360, as long as the game discs are secure, MS could care less, what movie you watch(stolen or not) at 1080P (and they will let you with Component and VGA)

Last time I checked, the different branches of Sony do not always interact on behalf of each other. And even if they decided to use ICT or DOT for their movies ... what does it have to do with all the other studios?

BTW - it is truly laughable that you are trying to pretend MS doesn't go nuts with DRM, security, etc. Seriously .... you need to share the drugs.


You have not responded to practically any of my points ... you just keep ranting about shit you obviously know nothing about.

I think we need to put this to bed.
 
I HEAR what you are saying Onix...My point is just that Sony is Parinoid to protect their IP investment(most of which is in Movies and Music) it cost them BILLIONS of dollars so you can't blame them, Microsoft as far as I can tell from Windows Media Player and Xbox and the 360 are alot more relaxed with copying(RIPPING cd's, Name one person who hasn't ripped one of thier friends cd's they don't personal own to an original xbox or 360) THAT sort of content is concerned( believe me if they open an Itunes like store THEY WILL be just as bad), I am just saying the PS3 is set for the Future in mind, no REAL harm yet,Ok you can't upscale resistance, but what limitation is NEXT?
 
Onix said:
To technically be a HD monitor, you have to support 1080i/720p ... to be a HDTV, you have to do that as well as have an internal HD tuner.

Then wouldn't it follow that if you're making an HD device you should be displaying in both resolutions?

(and yea i'm pissed, I own a Mitsubishi RPTV that doesn't accept 720p content)

Frankly, considering everything single HD outputting device i've ever come up against outputs both 720p AND 1080i, this is nothing but a huge oversight on Sony's Part and they need to fix this shit NOW.
 
Vark said:
Then wouldn't it follow that if you're making an HD device you should be displaying in both resolutions?

(and yea i'm pissed, I own a Mitsubishi RPTV that doesn't accept 720p content)

Frankly, considering everything single HD outputting device i've ever come up against outputs both 720p AND 1080i, this is nothing but a huge oversight on Sony's Part and they need to fix this shit NOW.


When did you learn about this issue? Along with the rest of us or before that?
 
Vark said:
Then wouldn't it follow that if you're making an HD device you should be displaying in both resolutions?

Actually, I would think that would be the reason not to need to output both.
 
Brimstone said:
So developers weren't made aware of this either?

I find that a bit strange.


Unless the dev/test PS3's did scale output ... I would have thought someone would have noticed that it didn't do it.
 
Onix said:
I find that a bit strange.


Unless the dev/test PS3's did scale output ... I would have thought someone would have noticed that it didn't do it.


I'm trying to understand how this revelation is only surfacing now.


Imagine a gamer with a older Sony HD CRT that wants to play Madden on the PS3, and the resolution get kicked down to 480p. This gamer is going to be in for a little suprise. Especially if he's played a XB360 on a 720p screen.
 
Smokey Bones said:
Was going to ask the same thing. I have a Sony XS CRT and I have my 360 set at 1080i. Is there a reason you have yours at 720p?

yeah there probably is. your 360 converts the 720p source in an 1080i image, then sends it to the tv, which then again makes something like a 1024x540 image out of it. letting the tv scale the picture directly from 720p to his intern resolution, will most likely result in less loss of pixel-detail.
 
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