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How old must a child be for spanking to be illegal in the US?

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It varies state by state. Spanking children, though, should be illegal because it's bad for your kid.

I'm anti spanking, but illegality should not be that case. We don't need more parentless children.

We do need more advocacy of peaceful parenting methods. Making laws that are impossible to enforce is not the solution. More education is needed.
 
Have they ever done these studies on adults on their feelings in spanking and what affects it has done to to them? Because in lots of cultures where spanking is acceptable, these studies has never taken into account of that. Do they also take into account the difference between abuse and discipline? Do they take into account the parents state of mind when the intent is to resort to straight physical abuse? How can these test prove anything when there is so much more than just the act that needs to be accounted for.

Do you believe you have somehow outsmarted a method of producing reliable and successful data that has gone unchallenged in its success as a method for hundreds of years now? Scientists frequently take everything you said and more into account. Sometimes they focus on hyper specific elements within these groups. Sometimes they focus on specific demographics. Sometimes they focus on mixed demographics. Sometimes they strictly define the difference between 'abuse' and 'spanking', others believe there is no categorical difference.

The point is you accumulate all the data you have and then reach conclusions based on what the reams of peer reviewed scientific data says. You don't use just one data point.

This is why science has been indisputably the most successful method of producing results that humanity has ever seen. There is literally nothing else that comes close.

If there was somehow some critical mass of studies done in an objective manner and peer reviewed by scientists that suggested that spanking was effective in some cases, this would be more controversial. But there has not. There has been a tiny fraction of aberrant studies, usually conducted by groups with an invested interest in proving spanking should be a method of punishment, and a fucking endless truckload of other legitimately peer reviewed studies which have crushed those findings time and time again. It's a disparity quite similar to the disparity in climatology about climate change.
 
You shouldn't be allowed to beat a child of any age. Having it be legal with younger, MORE DEFENSELESS children is fucking awful.

I'm anti spanking, but illegality should not be that case. We don't need more parentless children.

We do need more advocacy of peaceful parenting methods. Making laws that are impossible to enforce is not the solution. More education is needed.

That's ridiculous. Other types of violence against other people are outlawed, why not this?
 
You shouldn't be allowed to beat a child of any age. Having it be legal with younger, MORE DEFENSELESS children is fucking awful.

There is a big difference between beating a child and discipline, 1 or 2 wacks with the road the body is discipline. No one is talking about saving their child.
 
There is a big difference between beating a child and discipline, 1 or 2 wacks with the road the body is discipline. No one is talking about saving their child.

You're hitting your child with the sole intention of inflicting physical pain to "teach" him/her something. Fuck your "discipline", stop being a damn savage and learn some civilized parenting.
 
Do you believe you have somehow outsmarted a method of producing reliable and successful data that has gone unchallenged in its success as a method for hundreds of years now? Scientists frequently take everything you said and more into account. Sometimes they focus on hyper specific elements within these groups. Sometimes they focus on specific demographics. Sometimes they focus on mixed demographics. Sometimes they strictly define the difference between 'abuse' and 'spanking', others believe there is no categorical difference.

The point is you accumulate all the data you have and then reach conclusions based on what the reams of peer reviewed scientific data says. You don't use just one data point.

This is why science has been indisputably the most successful method of producing results that humanity has ever seen. There is literally nothing else that comes close.

If there was somehow some critical mass of studies done in an objective manner and peer reviewed by scientists that suggested that spanking was effective in some cases, this would be more controversial. But there has not. There has been a tiny fraction of aberrant studies, usually conducted by groups with an invested interest in proving spanking should be a method of punishment, and a fucking endless truckload of other legitimately peer reviewed studies which have crushed those findings time and time again. It's a disparity quite similar to the disparity in climatology about climate change.

I don't get how you can say there are test that suggest that spanking is effective method of discipline that are less legitimate but in the same sentence can say that test that prove they are wrong or more legit and less objective.

Spanking is such a controversial topic that test can be objective both ways to get the point across, so how do we get to this point that one is more legit than others? Which studies also have you read that defined the difference between abuse and spanking, because I don't think there is test that provided that difference but in fact lumped together spanking as abuse. If there is, then I'll gladly take a read to see those findings.
 
I'm anti spanking, but illegality should not be that case. We don't need more parentless children.
Spanking doesn't lead to child welfare services taking a child away from its parents. In general, many of the countries who have outlawed spanking's child welfare services are far less prone to remove children from their parents (compare eg. Sweden to Canada). What you do get is close interaction between parents and child welfare services to try to educate the parents that spanking isn't allowed and help them in discovering other ways to deal with their child.

There are other (better) means of intervention than jail or taking a child into custody.
 
I don't get how you can say there are test that suggest that spanking is effective method of discipline that are less legitimate but in the same sentence can say that test that prove they are wrong or more legit and less objective.

I said simply that we have tons of statistical data points from a multitude of peer reviewed scientific studies which suggest one thing. These studies have been done with a range of methodology. Now you can include ALL these tests together, including the ones which showed spanking had any positive element to it (and there are so few that we're talking mere single percentage points here), and the statistical data we would gather at the end would show an overwhelming consensus that spanking simply does not work.

That's why you gather all the data and evaluate its findings. You don't just look at one scientists conclusions. You don't just look at two. You look at dozens and dozens and you just keep going until you collect as much as there is out there. Then you reach conclusions based on that, no matter how uncomfortable it makes us feel. Science is not here to tell us we are right. Science is here to tell us when we need to change our minds, even if we wish the other way WERE right.

Maybe it's because you do not understand science, but nothing in your comment is at all a challenge to what I said. It doesn't matter what methodology a single test uses, because you don't use a single test. You use them all. And 'all' the tests usually end up covering the great variety of different theories and approaches people have toward studying the subject of, say, spanking. Therefore, you can analyze all this data as a group and come to firm conclusions of what would be true or not based on what the entire collective of scientific data tells us.

And then no matter what those results, you follow them, because they must be the most likely to be true. And science shows us throughout history, time and time again, that this method works. It's as simple as that. If you have come up with an alternative way of coming to objective conclusions about the world around us that works even half as well, we can perhaps continue this line of inquiry.
 
Probably 12 to 14. I don't mean like a slap in the face, but a light swat on the butt does wonders, and letting the kid/child know what they did wrong to warrant punishment. I don't believe in abuse though. When I was growing up, I'd get the belt to the ass if I did something wrong. I guess times change though.
 
I dunno. I can understand the need for Child Protective services in the US but I can tell you that I would probably be dead or in jail if my grandmother hadn't slapped the shit outta me one time for being a true miscreant.

this^^^ physical punishment is needed in some cases, teens nowadays need major spanking ugh.
 
this^^^ physical punishment is needed in some cases, teens nowadays need major spanking ugh.

teens 'nowadays' are not somehow more monstrous than any time in the past. this is also silly nonsense (actually, statistically, we're living in something of a golden age of violent crimes, for example. Hugely down from past ages of crime.)
 
I'm for spanking till around 4 or 5 years old. By that time the child should be developed enough that you can explain right and wrong to them through words.

Parents, what are some of the alternative ways you've disciplined your kid?
 
People should never spank their kids, it's an outdated and violent way to punish kids. Making it illegal is irrational though.
Wtf is this shit. I nice swat on the ass is a good way to show a child they fucked up and not to do whatever it was ever again. I think I turned out pretty well from being spanked. Now if people are hitting their kids with belts, or switches, or even paddles that might be crossing the line. My dad had a paddle, every time we got spanked he wrote a tally on the paddle.
 
Wtf is this shit. I nice swat on the ass is a good way to show a child they fucked up and not to do whatever it was ever again. I think I turned out pretty well from being spanked. Now if people are hitting their kids with belts, or switches, or even paddles that might be crossing the line. My dad had a paddle, every time we got spanked he wrote a tally on the paddle.

This is just your emotional reaction, because any objective evaluation of what occurred would mean making a statement about the person you turned out to be. That is why anecdotal reports mean nothing.

Also, no offense, but your dad sat there and hit you and then would mark his conquest on the back of a paddle afterwards. That just sounds sadistic rather than something a parent should do. This is a side point though.
 
This thread is sad.

So many good posts with facts and alternatives to spanking, and yet people cling to ancient arguments and situations.

You are a bad and lazy parent if you resort to physical punishment to teach something.

What do you want to teach your child? What it means to be a functioning person, how to take care of yourself etc etc. And you do that by doing something that's illegal to do to anyone else when you're older? Really? Do you see the irony?

"Well my by hurting my child when she's done something bad, she knows it's bad", No! What you're teaching her is that you are someone she can't respect.

Seriously, if someone went to you at work and slapped you for doing something wrong, would you think "Oh guess I'll change my ways". No, because you have no respect for the co-worker at that moment, you don't care what they had to say because your survival instincts rightfully tell you said co-worker is wrong and you're right.

In the scenario where you hurt the child and then afterwards gently tell her why you spanked her, you're essentially doing good parenting after you've done bad parenting.

Make your child respect you, make your child want to listen to you, make your child feel you're reasonable, caring and loving and you wont have to resort to short term violence that does nothing but instill distrust and sadness.
 
teens 'nowadays' are not somehow more monstrous than any time in the past. this is also silly nonsense (actually, statistically, we're living in something of a golden age of violent crimes, for example. Hugely down from past ages of crime.)

i am not talking about committing crimes, i am talking about their general attitude towards everything.
 
The simple fact is that spanking is lazy. We all know teaching your kids is far more effective as well as giving them positive reenforcement. But that's hard work and takes time. I guess some parents don't want to do that much hard work and would rather coerce their child to act a certain way with fear and pain.
 
I love the "x has been the norm for thousands of years and humanity has been peaceful and totally not fucked up during that time so how could it be wrong?" argument.

"Clearly x is superior to y because we've done a 1000 year long case study where we compared x to nothing else."
 
Amir0x laying the truth bombs here. It's so sad to see people ignore science when it's saying against their beliefs. I'm glad I live in a country where any kind of physical violence on children is forbidden by law.

Nobody's saying spanking makes the target a bad person, but the effects are there. They're subtle in many cases and you just don't even realize them.

This kind of reminds me of how that one guy in a thread here defended his view that there's nothing wrong with a kid just sitting inside playing games all throughout his childhood not even wanting to do anything else, instead of going outside and play. Well, except that was even more ridiculous maybe. But that was the guy's childhood and he had "grown up just fine".

i am not talking about committing crimes, i am talking about their general attitude towards everything.
And you think suddenly giving "major spanking" (as you said yourself..) helps change those attitudes on teens? Do you think giving major spanking to adults doing crimes would make them understand they're wrong? Do you think someone giving major spanking would suddenly change your attitude on this matter?

And anyway, since like the dawn of mankind adults have whined about teenagers and their bad attitudes.
 
i am not talking about committing crimes, i am talking about their general attitude towards everything.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
 
Spanking and child punishment is a more complex issue than a number of studies would like to frame it. I've seen a large number of them and there are consistent methodological errors in their execution. This shouldn't really be surprising, given the limitations of single studies and the problem being address but it does not help the discussion when the topic is already considered controversial on its own.

For example, this study seems like an open and shut case-- http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/04/12/peds.2009-2678.abstract--but part of the issue is that it looks only at physical punishment and thus we have a large confounding variable. Perhaps the implementation of punishment, in any form, increases aggressive behaviour.

This issue is actually brought up in this study: ]http://humansciences.okstate.edu/facultystaff/Larzelere/mappvalsum.pdf

The strongest scientific evidence against customary physical punishment in previous reviews was that spanking is associated with later behavior problems, such as aggression. But so is every type of corrective discipline.

When compared against other forms of punishment, the study even found that there were positive benefits to physical punishment in certain circumstances. Obviously, no one is arguing for spanking as a primary or even sole tool in child rearing. It also doesn't help that spanking and child abuse are so often conflated in discussions. Equating spanking to child abuse is on par with saying forced confinement is the same as a time-out.

At the end of the day, the most consistent research has found that all children are different. Some respond to certain methods more favourably than others. Ultimately, punishment is the least desirable tool to use in structuring children's behaviour and perhaps in an idealized world it wouldn't be necessary. However, that is not the case and physical punishment in appropriate application can be effective but should never be the sole answer--just like every other parenting tool.
 
How else do you discipline children, when you throw out any negative punishment what else do you have left. Taking away toys and such can only go so far, some children really do need a bit of pain and suffering to learn.

Reprimand? Take away priveleges such as television and music? Limit the time they can spend with friends? Locking them in a dark room is a tort.
 
You shouldn't be allowed to beat a child of any age. Having it be legal with younger, MORE DEFENSELESS children is fucking awful.



That's ridiculous. Other types of violence against other people are outlawed, why not this?

Spanking doesn't lead to child welfare services taking a child away from its parents. In general, many of the countries who have outlawed spanking's child welfare services are far less prone to remove children from their parents (compare eg. Sweden to Canada). What you do get is close interaction between parents and child welfare services to try to educate the parents that spanking isn't allowed and help them in discovering other ways to deal with their child.

There are other (better) means of intervention than jail or taking a child into custody.

I'm fine with these methods.
 
I'm curious. My guess would be no more than 18. At that point it has to be assault. But perhaps it's actually lower?

For example in Canada, it's illegal to spank a child older than 12.

My wife works for Dept. of Children and Families (She takes kids away because of abuse) and she said as long as there's no bruise left on the child, you're good to go. A couple of cops she works with even co-signed.

If you think spanking is assault, you should come down to her office to see what actual "parents" are doing to their children.
 
However, that is not the case and physical punishment in appropriate application can be effective but should never be the sole answer--just like every other parenting tool.

And here's the thing, there aren't cases where physical punishment is necessary. We know physical punishment can work, but in the end when there are alternatives all comes down to the question if you want to hit children or not.
 
I said simply that we have tons of statistical data points from a multitude of peer reviewed scientific studies which suggest one thing. These studies have been done with a range of methodology. Now you can include ALL these tests together, including the ones which showed spanking had any positive element to it (and there are so few that we're talking mere single percentage points here), and the statistical data we would gather at the end would show an overwhelming consensus that spanking simply does not work.

That's why you gather all the data and evaluate its findings. You don't just look at one scientists conclusions. You don't just look at two. You look at dozens and dozens and you just keep going until you collect as much as there is out there. Then you reach conclusions based on that, no matter how uncomfortable it makes us feel. Science is not here to tell us we are right. Science is here to tell us when we need to change our minds, even if we wish the other way WERE right.

Maybe it's because you do not understand science, but nothing in your comment is at all a challenge to what I said. It doesn't matter what methodology a single test uses, because you don't use a single test. You use them all. And 'all' the tests usually end up covering the great variety of different theories and approaches people have toward studying the subject of, say, spanking. Therefore, you can analyze all this data as a group and come to firm conclusions of what would be true or not based on what the entire collective of scientific data tells us.

And then no matter what those results, you follow them, because they must be the most likely to be true. And science shows us throughout history, time and time again, that this method works. It's as simple as that. If you have come up with an alternative way of coming to objective conclusions about the world around us that works even half as well, we can perhaps continue this line of inquiry.

The one problem I have with relying on studies of stats is they're open to interpretation and do change as new studies are conducted. So simply relying on them as pure guidance can be putting a bit of blind faith into it. Plus say a study shows 60% of kids showed a reaction where as 40% didn't. That shows a significant number of kids and a majority, but there is still a significant number that show they do not have a reaction so for those kids it might be appropriate despite the numbers saying that a majority do.

Finally, the one thing I've learned in my short time as a parent is the recommendation based on scientific studies changes drastically in a short period of time. From the time my daughter was born to the time my son was born, a period of 2 and a half years, there were a lot of things that changed as far as the recommendation for how you raise your kid and what you should or should not give them. Many things were a complete 180. It blew me away that such a short period that the recommendations were the opposite especially since kids have been around for thousands of years and they still can't figure out what the best thing to do for them is. Very eye opening when you see how things change drastically over a short period of time from scientific studies.
 
And here's the thing, there aren't cases where physical punishment is necessary. We know physical punishment can work, but in the end when there are alternatives all comes down to the question if you want to hit children or not.

http://humansciences.okstate.edu/facultystaff/Larzelere/mappvalsum.pdf

Therefore current research indicates that customary physical discipline is not associated with any more adverse outcomes in children than is any other type of corrective discipline. Furthermore, a two-swat nonabusive spanking is one of the most effective disciplinary tactics when 2- to 6-year-olds respond defiantly to milder disciplinary tactics, such as time out. This implies that prohibiting spanking would be counterproductive. Consistent with this, Swedish criminal records indicate that
physical child abuse and criminal assaults by minors against minors both increased about 6-fold during the 15 years after Sweden banned all spanking in 1979.
 
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

What a ridiculous, fearful generalization.
 
Reprimand? Take away priveleges such as television and music? Limit the time they can spend with friends? Locking them in a dark room is a tort.

Children need to experience real pain and suffering in order to learn. I was struck with brooms and what not growing up, and I ended up fine. I know many other people who are the same. I also know parents who tried what you suggest, and their children grew up undisciplined, and lacked respect for others and property.
 
Children need to experience real pain and suffering in order to learn. I was struck with brooms and what not growing up, and I ended up fine. I know many other people who are the same. I also know parents who tried what you suggest, and their children grew up undisciplined, and lacked respect for others and property.

That may be the case, or it may not. I became a respectable member of society and my parents had a rather laissez faire view on how I was allowed to act. The mystique of drugs and rock and roll kind of go away when your parents don't give a crap.

But that is besides the point. My main focus is what gives parents the right to inflict those torts on their children? The mere fact that they provide necessities does not, because that is hardly sufficient reason to punch a tenant as a landlord.
 
Hellions need to know who the boss is. Danny Tanner sitting them down and telling them what for ain't going to get the point across. Nothing too severe, just strapping them into a chair and leaving the room with the light turned off for a couple of hours should do the trick.
 
Kids are different, and their responses to punishment methods are different. Good parents try multiple methods to identify which works best for each child.

Sometimes spanking is the best punishment approach for a particular situation. It was an effective deterrent when my boy was in a "f*ck the world" phase, but was never needed with my girl.
 
What a ridiculous, fearful generalization.

It's a vintage generalization from about 2400 years ago. That post is a quote by Socrates.

EDIT:
i agree until you went preach mode. i think 80's children will be the last gen to actually succeed. i can't wait to see how the u.s will be in 20 years. they put an apple on your subway cheesesteak, call the cops. country is going to shit.

Hook, line, and sinker.
 
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

i agree until you went preach mode. i think 80's children will be the last gen to actually succeed. i can't wait to see how the u.s will be in 20 years. they put an apple on your subway cheesesteak, call the cops. country is going to shit.
 
i agree until you went preach mode. i think 80's children will be the last gen to actually succeed. i can't wait to see how the u.s will be in 20 years. they put an apple on your subway cheesesteak, call the cops. country is going to shit.

he's not agreeing with you

it's a quote usually said to be from Socrates (although he probably didn't actually say it, it is still ancient text). CornBurrito is making the astute observation that essentially every generation believes that theirs is the one that is losing their way, that some idealized version of the past is the one we should be striving toward. The observation is highlighted so people can be aware that their own time is not unique. Kids are no more or less bad than any time before.
 
he's not agreeing with you

it's a quote usually said to be from Socrates (although he probably didn't actually say it, it is still ancient text). CornBurrito is making the astute observation that essentially every generation believes that theirs is the one that is losing their way, that some idealized version of the past is the one we should be striving toward. The observation is highlighted so people can be aware that their own time is not unique. Kids are no more or less bad than any time before.

ok, and i can't wait to see how the country will be in 20 years. filled with a bunch of my shit don't stink i can get away with anything attitude. it will work well trust me. i know i was born in 83.
 

Ok, from the same article earlier on:
Child outcomes of physical discipline depend on how
it is applied. The outcomes of physical discipline compared unfavorably with
alternative disciplinary tactics only when it was the primary disciplinary method or
was too severe (such as beating up a child or striking the face or head). The
outcomes of “customary” physical discipline were neither better nor worse than for
any alternative tactic, except for one study favoring physical discipline for reducing
drug abuse.
I rather question how they say it's not better nor worse, and then continue saying physical punishment is better. And I do question this claim:
Swedish criminal records indicate that
physical child abuse and criminal assaults by minors against minors both increased about 6-fold during the 15 years after Sweden banned all spanking in 1979.
Correlation =/= causation. This rise in criminal assaults can be a result of other things like society criminalizing more forms of violence.

And hey! how about a more recent, and more relevant meta-analysis:
The current best evidence suggests that spanking or CP has a small or trivial but statistically significant impact on negative outcomes, at least for externalizing and internalizing symptoms and cognitive performance. The only exception was for spanking children under the age of 7 which was non-significant for externalizing symptoms. Although it is certain that debate on the effects of spanking and CP will continue, it is recommended that scholars remain cautious in nuancing their communications in line with the magnitude of effects and the potential that accounting for additional confounds may result in even more trivial effect sizes. This is not to say that scholars are remiss in communicating concerns about negative outcomes, just that these should be kept in moderation given the trivial to small effect sizes. On the other hand, there was no evidence from the current meta-analysis to indicate that spanking or CP held any particular advantages.

A bit older one:
In one sense, it may be correct to say that current evidence does not establish the deleterious or beneficial effects of very mild spanking. Even so, it may be prudent to caution against the use of spanking because there are nonaversive alternatives for accomplishing the same disciplinary goals, and because it has not been empirically established where the demarcation is between mild spanking that may be safe to use and severe corporal punishment that is known to be dangerous. Moreover, mild spanking can escalate and apparently does mix in with more severe hitting (Gershoff, 2002). Thus, the many health, psychological, and neurological consequences of harsh punishment cannot be dismissed as irrelevant to mild spanking. One of the reasons that there is a debate about the effects of spanking is that investigators who study spanking and the parents and teachers who interact with children cannot adhere consistently to a delimited and crisp definition of spanking or hitting that is “mild and occasional.”
And yes, I know it says "it may be correct to say that current evidence does not establish the deleterious or beneficial effects of very mild spanking". But that's not the point of this argument now is it?
 
ok, and i can't wait to see how the country will be in 20 years. filled with a bunch of my shit don't stink i can get away with anything attitude. it will work well trust me. i know i was born in 83.

You didn't respond to Amirox's post at all, unless you're going for sarcasm? People of your parents generation in the 80s were shitting themselves as well, I'm sure.
 
I don't understand this. Spanking a five-year-old is incredibly more damaging than spanking an eighteen-year-old.
 
ok, and i can't wait to see how the country will be in 20 years. filled with a bunch of my shit don't stink i can get away with anything attitude. it will work well trust me. i know i was born in 83.

Every generation says the same thing about the future generations. Every single one. And yet the world survives, progress continues, and no apocalypse occurs.

But I mean given all the endless other times it has not happened, this will surely be the time it all goes to shit.

I don't remember members of my generation abusing old dudes for fun in parking lots and running up behind people and knocking them out for fun.

No, of course not. Your generation was clearly the first generation where this behavior was ever nonexistent, and every other generation was the one in which it got out of hand. This is obviously true. And the statistics back that up!*





*Note: The statistics back up the exact opposite.
 
I don't remember members of my generation abusing old dudes for fun in parking lots and running up behind people and knocking them out for fun.

Did your generation live in a time where everyone carried recording devices and the media was all about entertainment and selling these sorts of stories?
 
No, of course not. Your generation was clearly the first generation where this behavior was ever nonexistent, and every other generation was the one in which it got out of hand. This is obviously true. And the statistics back that up!*





*Note: The statistics back up the exact opposite.

So wait, are you saying that my generation or the generations before me, did find pleasure in running up behind people and clobbing them upside the head, to leave them unconscious on the side of the road for no other reason than pure sociopathy?

It seems to me the past times of the current generation are increasingly sociopathic, unless I missed out on the 'fun' games of the 90s. The worst I ever got up to was Vandalism and property offenses. Not attempted murder.

Did your generation live in a time where everyone carried recording devices and the media was all about entertainment and selling these sorts of stories?

The late 90s weren't that long ago.
 
So wait, are you saying that my generation or the generations before me, did find pleasure in running up behind people and clobbing them upside the head, to leave them unconscious on the side of the road for no other reason than pure sociopathy?

It seems to me the past times of the current generation are increasingly sociopathic, unless I missed out on the 'fun' games of the 90s. The worst I ever got up to was Vandalism and property offenses. Not attempted murder.

You truly believe teens before 1990 never committed violent acts?

And you are literally stating your limited anecdotal evidence is more valuable than statistics and the trends they show.

The late 90s weren't that long ago.

From a technology standpoint they were. YouTube and smartphones didn't exist in the 90s. Or smartphones weren't as ubiquitous.
 
You truly believe teens before 1990 never committed violent acts?

I'm sure they did, but I don't recall it being as systemic as it currently is. When I was a wee lad I didn't walk down the street and fear that a brute was gonna knock me unconscious. Threaten to steal my money? Maybe. Crime made a lot more sense back then; personal gain and what not. Now? They do it for fun.
 
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