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How would you react to a Metroid reboot w/ a black Samus
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Kingpin Rogers
Member
It would be fucking stupid and painfully obvious that it was done to just appeal to a weird group of people. I mean, I disagree with making a link a female but this would be an actual punch in the face for people who care about the story of Metroid.
I mean, who would actually like changing an already established character for the sake of appealing to... someone? Just make a different character and introduce them into the world of Metroid, don't go changing somebody for no good reason.
Hell, even make it the daughter of Samus or something.
I mean, who would actually like changing an already established character for the sake of appealing to... someone? Just make a different character and introduce them into the world of Metroid, don't go changing somebody for no good reason.
Hell, even make it the daughter of Samus or something.
John Kowalski
Banned
would be p cool
TC McQueen
Member
Actually, I thought about it a little bit and there is one way you can make Black Samus work - you need a story where Samus works with at least one alternate universe counterpart of herself to hunt something down, switching between the two as you go through the game. Then the next game can be all Black Samus and her slightly different backstory or whatever.
This is an odd thread to make.
Doesn't really matter to me if she is or isn't if a new game is being developed. Seeing as it's Nintendo I highly doubt it ever happens, especially since they went out of their way to say she isn't trans when one of the developers said she was in some interview.
Doesn't really matter to me if she is or isn't if a new game is being developed. Seeing as it's Nintendo I highly doubt it ever happens, especially since they went out of their way to say she isn't trans when one of the developers said she was in some interview.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
OP you fucked up
Why did you feel the need to define the word 'Black' like we don't know what that shit means
you know what GAF really doesn't know the meaning of?
Going by this thread, the word 'reboot' is a mystery that most GAF users just can't wrap their heads around.
"It obviously means 'contiguous sequel', right? I'mma respond like it means 'contiguous sequel.' "
Why did you feel the need to define the word 'Black' like we don't know what that shit means
you know what GAF really doesn't know the meaning of?
Going by this thread, the word 'reboot' is a mystery that most GAF users just can't wrap their heads around.
"It obviously means 'contiguous sequel', right? I'mma respond like it means 'contiguous sequel.' "
Glass Rebel
Member
Ok, I'll humour you.
People are pushing for more and better new characters.
My avatar's character isn't black because he was drawn like this by the creator.
Now explain to me how these questions are relevant in a fictional scenario where Nintendo would make Samus Aran a black woman.
I'll wait.
Mango The Magician
Banned
I'm sorry, since when did the game anywhere say Zelda has to look like Hylia? Likewise, if we apply that logic to Zelda, then the same can be applied to Link via the first hero, the one that existed alongside the only actual reincarnation of Hylia.
FallingEdge
Member
he better be wearing a romper when the armor comes off
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I've never been a big fan of gender/race swapping a character. Just make a new character in the same universe.
Foxy the Fox
Member
I wouldn't like it.
I like blonde white girls with blue eyes.
But I love Metroid, so I would 100% it nonetheless.
I like blonde white girls with blue eyes.
But I love Metroid, so I would 100% it nonetheless.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
we don't know, nobody remembers him!
Birdo vs Toadette. Which one is better?!
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It's freaking play why on earth did anyone give a shit. That sorta stuff happens all the time in plays amongst men being played by women and vice versa.
It's litterally just people showing their ass.
TC McQueen
Member
To be fair, non-Americans/Canadians/Brits/Aussies(?) might not make the association right away, especially since "black" can be used as an adjective for bad/evil things (like black market).
I in fact ran into this problem on another forum, because a guy used black to refer to a bad thing, but he put it in front of a word that made me think of African-Americans.
DragonGirl
Member
I'm not a fan of treating Nintendo's characters as gender or palette swappable generic characters. I'd rather see Nintendo add to their pantheon of characters with original and diverse characters, not retrofit established characters. That would feel too much like quota check boxing in the laziest way.
I'm more worried about getting another Metroid period rather than a more diverse one.
More on-topic: I wouldn't care. A reboot seems unnecessary because the story isn't 100% fucked despite the damage Other M did, but there's no harm in Samus being black if she's still well written. And hey, having a black character in Smash would be pretty dope.
But the likelihood of this happening is maybe .001% at best. Better to hope for a new character that happens to be black instead.
More on-topic: I wouldn't care. A reboot seems unnecessary because the story isn't 100% fucked despite the damage Other M did, but there's no harm in Samus being black if she's still well written. And hey, having a black character in Smash would be pretty dope.
But the likelihood of this happening is maybe .001% at best. Better to hope for a new character that happens to be black instead.
Why would Samus' ethnicity need to be explained "lore-wise"? That doesn't even make sense. Did the lore explain her ethnicity as white now? Or is being white the default and everyone else is lore required?
Huge Succeeded
Banned
How about Nintendo just kills off Samus and replaces her with a character who isn't irreparably ruined like Samus is
that character could totally be black, and she'd be a better character than Samus by default, because she ain't Samus.
that character could totally be black, and she'd be a better character than Samus by default, because she ain't Samus.
Sure, sounds great. Since fusion and Other M, I feel like they may have worked Samus, as a character, into a corner. I'd be fine with a new protagonist, regardless of race, as long as the gameplay is strongly founded on previous entries.
Honestly, Ninty could do with a more diverse character roster.
Honestly, Ninty could do with a more diverse character roster.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'd probably have a good chuckle, because whaaaat?
Came for this.
After Other M butchered Samus with the most sexist depiction of her possible, I'd actually love to see how Sakamoto would tackle 'BLACK SAMUS'.
Game pitch
-Samus is attacked by the cousins of the X parasite, the M parasite. This happens pregame, like Metroid Fusion.
-M parasite corrupts her skin, increases her melanin and makes her black by the start of the game.
-You explore a planet, destroying B parasites and using alien tech to purge the M parasite from Samus' body.
-As she does so, she becomes more and more white - like a true hero. At the end of the game, her disgusting blackness is banished forever, and in the final mission complete screen you see her in her pure, uncorrupted, white beauty.
Regards,
Sakamoto
Game pitch
-Samus is attacked by the cousins of the X parasite, the M parasite. This happens pregame, like Metroid Fusion.
-M parasite corrupts her skin, increases her melanin and makes her black by the start of the game.
-You explore a planet, destroying B parasites and using alien tech to purge the M parasite from Samus' body.
-As she does so, she becomes more and more white - like a true hero. At the end of the game, her disgusting blackness is banished forever, and in the final mission complete screen you see her in her pure, uncorrupted, white beauty.
Regards,
Sakamoto
Mango The Magician
Banned
Any significant change to a character that people like should be at the very least explained. It has nothing to do with what the change is. Samus, is white, she's always been white. People like her design not just her personality, so the very least that Nintendo could do for the fans that grew up with Samus, in this hypothetical where they did change her, was offer a reason why.
I'm pretty sure that that's what Rowling said. I do remember one part from the book mentioning her as white being, but it was also in the context of fright, horror or surprise, so could've been a literacy device. Even if Hermione was indeed specified as white, Rowling herself has said that she has no issues with a black interpretation.
The issue here is with regards to defining aspects of her character, so then the illustrations are a white interpretation of Hermione, which isn't wrong - but isn't more correct than a black interpretation of Hermione either. Ultimately it comes down to the author here, so unless she specifically wrote Hermione as white, then she's saying that any interpretation is valid - whiteness is not a part of her character defined in the books. Rowling may personally see her as white, but may have chosen not to write that in - so that everyone can have their own interpretation of her.
Basketball
Member
Is this a bait thread
to weed out the crazies
chimmon bruh you got to be a little more subtle
to weed out the crazies
chimmon bruh you got to be a little more subtle
😒
I'm not saying that and you know it. We can do better than that in children's media and you know it.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
You're god damned right.
Would any of you go to see a movie where it's literally T-X from Terminator 3
alone
on the run from the police?
fuck no because it'd be stupid boring
well, that's where Metroid is now. Mrs. Tall Blonde With No Personality, alone, on the run from the police. Riveting.
Hahaha, oh wait. She's not alone.
She's got Adam.
REBOOT THIS SHIT
Various Artists
Banned
I disagree. I think Ghostbusters is a poor example as well. 1. There was a time for that movie, unfortunately it was 20 years ago and should have been left alone.
2. They didn't deliver a product people wanted.
In contrast Nier has been doing quite well with different characters and a change in sex of the main protagonist from drakengard.
Sure captain Todd. (I see you) was a budget game but I am going to think for like 10 seconds and more all the games he's in
9 Mario kart games
Mario rpg
New super Mario brothers
Mario 2 (if you consider his first appearance was Mario 1)
Mario 3
And I'm going to stop thinking about it now. I have better things to do. I'm just not going to let you call my comment bullshit while lacking any facts to back it. And try to remain civil. Geeze. You can continue to think everyone is racist and sexist. I will not deny that they do exist and probably had a small impact on ghostbusters (and a terribly invasive hacking incident that is inexcusable). I think if you deliver a good product, the audience will come. I still think that if we are changing Samus to that degree just let you design your own character. The dude bros can get their way and those that enjoy the nostalgia of the originals can have classic Samus. Win win.
Can't just have a character that has been constantly be portrayed one way for years suddenly flip a switch. Unlike Link, we have been following the exact same character for years now, rather than a reincarnation each game.
Really and truly, though I just want Samus to not be on the run from the Federation anymore. Maybe she's hiding out on the same moon Megaman Volnutt is stuck on?
Glass Rebel
Member
A change that has no bearing on the character in-universe doesn't need an in-universe explanation. Characters in tv series get recast all the time because of external factors that don't need to be specifically explained by the story.
Forsaken82
Member
That GAF is ignorant.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
Yes. Please face this question.
Changing Samus drastically would feel odd as she's an established character that has been the same exact person in all of the games. I'd still play it (if it were good), but would be happier if she was just a completely new main character. If there's one Nintendo character that you could change completely but change the name, it would be Link.
LordKasual
Banned
I don't see how this would be any different than her removing her helmet in Metroid 1 to reveal that she was a woman in the first place
the whole reason the revelation of what she looks like under the suit is impactful is because it has never fucking mattered in any way shape or form
the fact that it DOES suddenly matter is why Samus sucks now and Metroid is currently dead
That said, Samus is an already established character. She isn't known throughout the galaxy as "Chozo Warrior" or "Varia Suit", she's known as "Samus Aran". So it's not the same as Spiderman becoming black or Thor becoming a woman.
Changing character's established looks is not really how impactful representation works. Make a new character, but rebooting her as someone else is stupid. Nobody should be asking for that.
the whole reason the revelation of what she looks like under the suit is impactful is because it has never fucking mattered in any way shape or form
the fact that it DOES suddenly matter is why Samus sucks now and Metroid is currently dead
That said, Samus is an already established character. She isn't known throughout the galaxy as "Chozo Warrior" or "Varia Suit", she's known as "Samus Aran". So it's not the same as Spiderman becoming black or Thor becoming a woman.
Changing character's established looks is not really how impactful representation works. Make a new character, but rebooting her as someone else is stupid. Nobody should be asking for that.
The important part of her story is that she was a space kid who was taken in by space bird people after space pirates lead by a space dragon killed her space family, in space. It's not like they haven't changed how Samus has looked before this without anyone being unable to reconcile the differences.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Yeah, bro these aren't TV actors, they're video characters. Also, no race in any game is gonna have a barring on a character unless race is part of the story. Fans of Samus deserve more in this hypothetical then to see a character that they like both for personality and DESIGN then to have a character they like suddenly changed.
Now Samus isn't the only person in the Metroid universe and it wouldn't be a far stretch to have another character who had a similar chozo upbringing, so there's little to no need for this change.
Why do these threads always devolve into people blatantly ignoring that the visual design of a character has any weight? As a aspiring character designer it's one of the most insulting things I can think of. Samus was based on a movie actress and has always been portrayed as being blond and white, and over the years the design has further homogenized. You can stand around all day and act like the only that matters to a video character that we're constantly LOOKING at when we play a game is a synopsis of her life history, but you'll always be dead wrong.
Knightmarre
Member
Only if they retroactively patch every game she was in to match.
