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HTC Vive Launch Thread -- Computer, activate holodeck
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dmosher
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holy shit minecraft is nuts. I literally just squealed like a child when I popped out of my house to fix a block and a bloody creeper came around the corner. Even hiding behind my closed door those things are scary - you're looking eye to eye with them.
and the first night, as I was just digging a hole in the wall was spooky as hell until I managed to make a torch. The darkness is just creepy as hell.
and the first night, as I was just digging a hole in the wall was spooky as hell until I managed to make a torch. The darkness is just creepy as hell.
How are you playing? Manual or teleportation? Does mining get tiresome?
Not sure why but first thing I want to try is Minecraft in this thing, hah. And I am not even that into Minecraft.
BigTnaples
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PM'd, just pay it forward when you get your inevitable second code
Will do, thank you!
UnrealEck
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What's the Vive Bundle?
so UE4 has a function to get hand orientation for tracked objects, but on the vive controller this orientation is basically parallel to the orientation handle. I'm using it to fire a gun at the moment, but it feels more like you're holding a TV remote.
Ideally, I want to get an orientation perpendicular to the orientation I get from the function, so that it fire perpendicular to the vive controller handle. However, when I do this in UE4, the orientation of my shots goes all wonky, specifically at certain orientations.
Anybody have any experience with this?
Ideally, I want to get an orientation perpendicular to the orientation I get from the function, so that it fire perpendicular to the vive controller handle. However, when I do this in UE4, the orientation of my shots goes all wonky, specifically at certain orientations.
Anybody have any experience with this?
dmosher
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teleporting - seems ok so far as you have a limited distance you can travel. not sure I have strong enough VR legs to use manual walking around, although if they support 3rd person I might give it a go for a test.
I tried to mine manually but I don't know how. Just hold the trigger to mine like normal and its fine.
well, I found sort of a work around for my problem, but I want to know how to fix it with more granularity.
If I take the roll, pitch, and yaw of my rotation orientation, I can pass that to a built in function called "Get Up Vector" which will return a vector 90 degrees "up" along my pitch axis from my forward vector, which means if I hold the controller straight up, my vector is running behind me. If I then multiply that vector by -1, I can make my vector run forward in front of me.
Thats fine and all, but how is "Get Up Vector" calculated? My problem seems to be that the orientation I get from UE4 with "Get Hand Tracked Position and Orientation" is world space, not local. How does "Get Up Vector" calculate? It seems to be based on local space. I'd like to be able to do that kind of transformation manually.
Any ideas?
If I take the roll, pitch, and yaw of my rotation orientation, I can pass that to a built in function called "Get Up Vector" which will return a vector 90 degrees "up" along my pitch axis from my forward vector, which means if I hold the controller straight up, my vector is running behind me. If I then multiply that vector by -1, I can make my vector run forward in front of me.
Thats fine and all, but how is "Get Up Vector" calculated? My problem seems to be that the orientation I get from UE4 with "Get Hand Tracked Position and Orientation" is world space, not local. How does "Get Up Vector" calculate? It seems to be based on local space. I'd like to be able to do that kind of transformation manually.
Any ideas?
UnrealEck
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I thought you get all those with your Vive anyway.
dmosher
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They come as a steam keycode in an email (supposedly) 24 hours after your order is delivered. Mine took longer and support emailed me a second bundle code.
You really want to be asking this on the UE4 forums.
Short answer is that rotations are weird.
(also, you don't want 90 degrees anyway. No guns have 90° between handle and barrel)
I think most of the rejected CC payments were actually in UK. So calling your bank would be a great idea.
I don't have any motion controller to experiment in UE4, but couldn't you just apply -90 Pitch on the Rotator (?) it return ?
Well now that I say that I actually remember that ( at least in blueprint ) UE4 doesn't allow you to have a pitch over 90 and bellow 90 ( something about gimbal lock ? )... something that actually kind of block me in one of my small experiment since last week.
Thats why I want granular control, I dont want a 90 degree turn between handle and barrel.
thats what I've been trying to do but I get all sorts of weird unintended effects. Sometimes my rotation and pitch get switched for certain orientations, sometimes it'll work fine but everything is coming out 90 degrees to the left (ilke the bullets exit the side of the gun), sometimes it'll work just right except for certain angles (which looks like when the pitch is around 90 and -90) where the shots will shoot out at seemingly random angles only for those orientations.
There is surely something simple I am missing here.
shiftplusone
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ordered mine March 30, got my pre-authorization email last night as well
I debated cancelling it for a few weeks now but having received that, the hype is real again
I debated cancelling it for a few weeks now but having received that, the hype is real again
Wrestlemania
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Can't help, but if it's any consolation pretty much every game I've played where the Vive controller is being replaced with a gun/hand/anything that it's exactly the same shape as the controller has done it pretty poorly. I think it's something people are still getting to grips with (no pun intended).
Nationwide politely told me to fuck off we can't do anything for you. So if it bounces I'm stuffed. :/
Get close to the block, extend your right arm and waggle it like Steve would.
IMACOMPUTA
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I feel like almost all implementations of the vive controller as a gun have felt wrong. It sounds like what you're describing as a problem is actually how I'd prefer it!
Well last time my bank contacted me when I bought my T300RS from a site that didn't have a valid security certificate. I told them it was fine and they let the payment through. I received the goods the next day, without issue. Edit i'm with Natwest.
I'm still at work so I couldn't give it a try, but maybe https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/61931/how-can-i-avoid-gimbal-lock-with-rotations.html might help you if it does come from the pitch/gimbal lock.
Minecraft already has VR support? I thought it was an Oculus exclusive?
Zalusithix
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Yeah, I don't see them making multiple versions of a niche product. Maybe in the future when the market is many times larger. For now, you'll have your black and like it! =P That and I'm not sure they could make it a uniform non-black color. The sensors need a material that transmits the IR light. I'm not sure if plastics pigmented with light colors like white pass IR correctly. I've never seen an IR cover anything other than black / near black. With black filters, it'd be more a polka-dot Vive than a white one.
its a mod - minecrift, which was originally made back in 2013 for the DK1 but they've kept on top of it. For the vive it has teleportation and uses the motion controllers to aim and mine/attack. Works fantastically well - when I'm standing up I just about fit into a two block high space (2 metres) and a block feels about waist high.
asker
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It's really well made but I feel the teleport mechanic detracts from the experience. Luckily you can switch to proper movement with Right Ctrl + R if you can stomach it.
"Minecraft windows 10 edition" (based on the win10 mobile version, which is closed source and has no mods) will have Rift support.
Minecraft (the java version that practically everyone uses on PC) has a mod/hack called minecrift (which supports the rift), which in-turn has a hack to support the Vive.
DavionStriker
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Yea! Pre-authorization email! And now we wait... (April 1st order here)
jabberwocker
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Yah. It's awesome. Still has some bugs, but is cool.
is it only keyboard controls? I don't think I could stomach standard minecraft controls in first person VR. Maybe a luckey's tale style third person control with a smoothed out camera. I know what you mean about it spoiling the game because its so easy to jump about - but honestly the whole place is so different compared to playing on a monitor I think its ok
Is there any chance that an R9 270 can run the Vive decently? At least in non gaming applications like virtual desktop or in older Vorpx enabled titles like Doom 3 or HL2?(....And Minecrift) Since Im waiting for Pascal's release before upgrading my GPU it's very likely I'll get my Vive 1-3 weeks before pascal is available for me to buy(My estimated shipping time is May). CPU is an i5-6600K
Wow, that's pretty sweet. Mineccraft seems like it would be absolutely amazing in VR.
Wow, that's pretty sweet. Mineccraft seems like it would be absolutely amazing in VR.
Spiral Insanity
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I don't think that is such a good idea.
asker
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No no, well thought out controls. You hold the trigger to move towards your crosshair, and grip to jump. Still use the Vive controllers!
This set me on the right path. Just an offset location from where my bullets are spawning now that I can fix later, but the orientation is fine now. It was indeed a gimbal error, thanks!
Karak
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Vive. Supposedly I have set up the first interview when it gets through its current stage. Maybe 3 months.
Oh sweet. *Checks status* ...still no tracking. Feels like being the last kid picked in dodgeball class, only the next class comes in and they start picking them instead. Come on htc.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Is it VR CAD? It better be VR CAD. We are planning on building a house and I would love to build it in VR first! Would be amazing for visualization and figuring out what we do and don't want from the start. Especially since the type of house we are building is a little out there...
Nice, got my pre-auth today. Already notified my bank and am now awaiting the transaction and hopefully, soon after that, my shipping email. Exciting! My Steam wishlist is only full of VR games. I don't think I've ever looked forward to a gaming thing this much since the NES.
You should look into these guys:
http://www.irisvr.com/
They are supporting pretty much every HMD from Cardboard through Vive.
The teleport mechanic also makes it so you never get hungry... I guess hunger depletion is based entirely on walking.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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Thanks for the detailed info
That sounds like it allows for a lot more freedom than a traditional template would, making it closer to a sandbox for experimentation which is exactly what I'm looking for.
You've gotten me pretty intrigued with messing about in UE4 now. I planned on remaking my VR room as a quick and easy location to mess around with, but I wasn't sure where to begin with implementing features in terms of starting with a template or just jumping in and learning through experience, which is how I'm planning to go now.
I didn't call my bank (Lloyds).
the charge did drop off my cc the day before my Vive was shipped and got charged later.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
This is really cool but not exectly what I'm thinking. I will probably settle with that though if a fully supported CAD VR builder isn't coming along anytime soon.
I definitely got hungry quite quickly because I stressed about finding food and my spawn area was super hilly with no wildlife. But maybe it was a lot less than usual. Maybe they should translate your movement into however many steps it'd take based on distance teleported (and jumping up) and take that off your hunger.
TBH though after a little while in minecraft hunger shouldn't really be a problem, even if you're forced to eat shitty bread because there is nothing else around.
Allnamestakenlol
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Sorry, I literally meant I wanted TC or HotD. Lol Or something that plays pretty similarly to them. I.e., varied enemies and environments/stages, fast paced, boss battles, cheese dialogue, etc.
DavionStriker
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Now that my Vive shipping is imminent, I have been looking at mounting options. one of my Lighthouses will be at 6.5' on a bookshelf. I am thinking about this for the other:
Amazon basics 60" tripod paired with this Ball swivel mount
Think that would work even though it is only at 60"?
Amazon basics 60" tripod paired with this Ball swivel mount
Think that would work even though it is only at 60"?
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