See the thing with Vive you can do the sitting and standing thing if that's all the game wants.
But it also has the capability of walking around.
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HTC Vive to be released in April 2016
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But it also has the capability of walking around.
I hate this notion that people should be limited in their approach to a new medium, where no one even knows what the best solutions are yet, let alone the "killer app", best game types or methodologies for playing / experiences etc.
"Room Scale" also include a pretty significant difference, which is reduced occlusion and thus the ability to not be forced to only have a forward facing experience. PSVR will not be able to track your controllers well when you turn around and your body is in the way. Head tracking should be fine though. The same is true for the Rift. Both PSVR and the Rift can get around this when using a traditional controller or controllers that do not need to be tracked or buying another camera and setting it up at the opposite end of the room (actually don't think you can do this with PSVR), at which point you're entering "room scale" anyway.
Having the capability to do all of modes of play, room size, choice of sitting standing, leaning and walking is obviously the most ideal, which HTC's does offer. The price is the bit that will really determine if it is worthwhile or not, and if the experience of a room is so much more engaging it may be enough to push people in that direction as costs go down. Regardless, VR will head in that direction eventually, so starting with it off the bat, no matter how small that starts, is a good thing to have as one of many solutions.
VVV Mars VG
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I've tested OR, Ps VR and HTC Vive, with the Vive utterly blowing the opposition away.
Impressions here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lik6aZgDYY
As for PS VR, it was good, felt more comfortable on the head than any other unit and despite the lower resolution it looked good, better than the DK2. More down to how the pixels were used, less of a screen door effect and no rainbow effect.
But back to the Vive, its the first VR headset which truly excited me as to the potential of VR, the immersion was on another level.
Impressions here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lik6aZgDYY
As for PS VR, it was good, felt more comfortable on the head than any other unit and despite the lower resolution it looked good, better than the DK2. More down to how the pixels were used, less of a screen door effect and no rainbow effect.
But back to the Vive, its the first VR headset which truly excited me as to the potential of VR, the immersion was on another level.
Dreamwriter
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Did you try Oculus Rift consumer version, or Oculus DK2?
ashecitism
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No one should have expected Valve to do that, but I did think HTC would do it. But it seems the two are on the same wavelength. Not sure how this is going to work out seeing Oculus and Sony pushing their own stuff. Content is king, that will sell HW, not the promise of better tech and "we're in this together, no exclusives, people should do what they want, the market will figure it out" hippie bs. They're coming off as really naive.
Like Steam HW. Seems Valve is totally fine with the current situation and they don't want to expand, capture new audiences.
VVV Mars VG
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Not yet, I'll compare consumer version of OR with the consumer Vive when they are both released. But in development builds, Vive wins hands down.
Future PhaZe
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have we heard anything about exclusive software during this time--or at least software marketed as great to be used with vive?
Sleeping Lesson
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You didn't really have a fair comparison, then. The Vive "dev kit" is far closer to the consumer version than the DK2 is.
Future PhaZe
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does oculus even have a proper vision of what they want their release product to be? it seems to constantly change
Sleeping Lesson
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Yes, Oculus has final hardware that was unveiled a few months ago. Nothing has changed since then save for the addition of an Xbone controller and today's Eve Valkyrie bundle announcement.
InaudibleWhispa
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It hasn't changed once since announced it. This is the final consumer headset:
Motion controllers won't be available at launch (Q2 2016 I think they said).
serversurfer
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That'll work. PS1 graphics blew me away, and I'm sure PSVR will do at least that well.
How does Elite run on the Bone?
serversurfer
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Well, that's disappointing. I'd much prefer presence to eye candy.
cyberheater
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Thanks for the clarification. That explains a lot.
wanderingprostheyltite
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HTC updated the blog post, pre-orders will start in February apparently. Site is hemorrhaging right now for some reason, may not load.
http://blog.htc.com/2015/12/htc-vive-update/
http://blog.htc.com/2015/12/htc-vive-update/
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Thats great. Adding it to op now
Reallink
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You do realize ED is available for Xbone? Not really sure why they would have some immutable requirement for VR but no standard for the game as a whole.
ashecitism
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Also please ask a mod to edit that in the title.
edit: actually they posted a new post too
http://blog.htc.com/2015/12/remarkable-things-coming-soon/
ED on the Bone is basically ED on PC on low settings, which is still too high for console VR.
I'll paypal you $5 if ED is ever supported by PSVR.
Dreamwriter
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Eve Valkyrie, which to me looks just as good as Elite Dangerous, is coming to PSVR, so I dunno why Elite wouldn't. Note, though, the game's a timed-exclusive on XBox, so might be a while before it hits PS4.
ashecitism
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2015/12/12/2003634579
HTC Corps (宏達電stock price dropped 13.11 percent this week, dragged down by the companys announcement that it was postponing the launch of its first virtual reality headset from this month to April next year.
It was a tough decision to make, as we could have started to ship Vive this month, but after discussing it with Valve, our strategic partner, we decided that we can offer a more technologically advanced product if we postpone it for another quarter, the Chinese-language Apple Daily quoted HTC chairperson Cher Wang (王雪紅
Wang said she understood the public disappointment over the delay, but the company made the decision to be able to offer buyers a better user experience.
HTC announced the Vive headset prototype, which it codeveloped with US-based video game developer Valve, in March this year.
HTC chief financial officer Chang Chia-lin (張嘉臨
wanderingprostheyltite
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Pretty skeptical "technologically more advanced" is nothing more than hot air but we'll see. I mean what else could they really iterate on in such a short time frame aside from general form factor?
Sleeping Lesson
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Yeah some people are taking that to mean some kind of hardware upgrade, when really it will just mean slightly more polished software or drivers or something.
You can do, or so I recall from previous talks. They are aware people like their own fancy headphones.
Could my ever fading dream of Valve bringing Biometric support to PC gaming become a reality in 2016? A man can dream
Chairmanchuck
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Thanks to the delay I am not quite sure which VR headset I should get now. I really wanted to buy the Vive, but now I am not so sure anymore...
Like any smart consumer, you should wait until they're both out and find out if there's any serious flaws or game changers that help you decide.
Remember, this is still the first generation of these things, shit can happen.
Chairmanchuck
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I am sure this is the rational way, but I waited since the first DK of OR. First it was supposed to come out in the fall of 2013, then in April 2014 the first consumer version of OR should be released for people who want it.
Now it seems to be at the beginning of this year and it seems Oculus is "buying" quite a lot of exclusives.
I really cant decide and really dont want to wait.
Lol I understand, I'm hyped as well.
Oculus is probably the safe bet, you could always just wait a week or 2 after its release and see what's up. If it's all good, just buy it and if Vive comes out and ends up being a vastly superior product, you can always switch teams by the 2nd or 3rd generation.
Oculus is probably the safe bet, you could always just wait a week or 2 after its release and see what's up. If it's all good, just buy it and if Vive comes out and ends up being a vastly superior product, you can always switch teams by the 2nd or 3rd generation.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I'd also like to chime in and say this won't likely be a dire inventory issue like what happened with the devkits and they're literally going to start making the things after pre-orders go up, they've said in the past they plan on making this a very well supplied release (Oculus), so you could probably get away with seeing what's what in terms of impressions, comparions, reviews etc. Me? Completely impulsive and will buy whichever pre-order goes live first lol, so I can sympathize.
What is this in reference to? Irregardless what it is I've always found the notion of vr not being here till a company slaps a "CV" onto a product as silly, we've had compelling experiences available since the dk1 hit doorsteps years ago. Call it a dk all you want, decent vr has been an option for those that wanted it irregardless if you were a dev, and its only gonna get better year after year.
ashecitism
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Seems like there might be something on Monday
http://money.udn.com/money/story/5710/1372323-宏達電Vive-下周一亮相
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might be just showing existing content, otherwise they would have talked about it in tandem with the dev conference, CES and the Valve Content Showcase
http://money.udn.com/money/story/5710/1372323-宏達電Vive-下周一亮相
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might be just showing existing content, otherwise they would have talked about it in tandem with the dev conference, CES and the Valve Content Showcase
Melon Husk
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Never ask Valve for the time.
Gear VR will be remembered as the first commercial VR kit and it came out last month!
Dreamwriter
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Oculus hasn't really "bought" any exclusives, not in the way Microsoft and Sony moneyhat exclusives. All announced Oculus Rift exclusives so far (there are only a few) have been games that Oculus either developed themselves or that they paid to have developed, working with the developer directly. The closest thing to moneyhatting they've done is secure Eve Valkyrie as a pack-in game, but that game is in no way exclusive, it's been announced for just about every VR device. Oculus also said they'd be fine with people modding their games to work on the Vive, so expect Vive owners to do that pretty quickly.
Skulduggery
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Anybody watching the dev conference in Beijing? Starts in a few minutes I think
http://v.csdn.hudong.com/htcvive/index.html
Will they have english subtitles? Well Chet Falizeck will be there, that's all I'm really here for. Maybe we'll get some news, though.
http://v.csdn.hudong.com/htcvive/index.html
Will they have english subtitles? Well Chet Falizeck will be there, that's all I'm really here for. Maybe we'll get some news, though.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Skulduggery
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I'm so glad someone cares aside from me
http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/18/htc-vive-vr-big-breakthrough-ces/
So, what could this be? Any ideas?
So, what could this be? Any ideas?
Dreamwriter
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I doubt it'll be anything big, it's just an excuse for the delay, and an attempt to keep people from getting behind the competition. They'll announce something like "Lighthouses are now powered by rechargeable batteries". However, one of the biggest technical breakthroughs they could make would be for it to be wireless - in a room-scale VR system, that would be huge. But it would be rather hard to do without harming latency - with the Wii U Nintendo loses a frame of latency when wirelessly sending low-res video to its Gamepad.
Anyone's guess. If this came from Valve I'd have a tiny bit more faith in the claim, but since it is coming from HTC, I'm a bit more dubious due to their precarious position and need to woo investors.
I can't think of anything particularly major they could do. With an April Launch date, it seems unlikely that they could do anything significant to the hardware side of things, which is what they are suggesting is a breakthrough. I think it is more likely Valve had something a while back they intended to save for future SteamVR partners but with their slow speed and amount of produced units, they have been forced to delay and now have to resort to this to get them back in the game. A total guess of course.
mrchampipi
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Folowing this on /r/Oculus, people are going pretty wild on speculations. It's really hard to say: posponing like that is no light decision for a companyto make, so either HTC wasn't ready at all or they really did made a last minute breakthrough discovery. Either way, this means better hardware/software at launch.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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They're just polishing up a HL3 vertical slice to demo.
I find it hard to believe. There was already criticism over the partial launch idea in 2015 and the rest in early 2016. Now that has changed to 7000 DK2 in Jan and then a different CV1 launch in late April 2016 - the 7000 sounding like the total of the partial launch that would have happened (unless they are also somehow providing more to the existing devs in some sort of exchange for the older kits). And now in this claim, she says the discovery was two weeks ago. That seems quite convenient, suggesting a hardware change is required for CV1, in which case it can't be a part of DK2 in that time frame - ie the old CV1. How will developers be able to utilise such a breakthrough if they can't have it, and how do they fit the testing and application / design to the new CV1 in such a short time frame?
Well if there really isn't any breakthrough, they're gonna look like clowns come CES.